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Thank you. you ladies and gentlemen grab a seat the show will start in five minutes you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you ladies and gentlemen you better grab a seat now the show will start in two minutes you you you you it's a glittering premiere at the chicago theater for warner brothers i'll see you in my dreams a real dream has come true for this benefit premiere launches a drive for a new hospital sponsored by the film star danny thomas here arriving with his family years ago danny vowed he'd build a hospital if he ever became famous thirty two thousand dollars are subscribed the first of a million danny thomas tells friends he'll raise for the saint jude's hospital of his dreams they said it couldn't be done they said that it was a task which would break my heart they said it was impossible at this very moment as i speak to you in the city of memphis tennessee there is being constructed a hospital in the form of a star there it is in concrete glass and steel to offer help to all the children of the world regardless of race creed or economic status you and i have vowed that we will do everything in our power spiritually physically mentally and financially to bring about the defeat of these catastrophic diseases we're going to begin with leukemia and by god's grace after defeating it go on to other diseases that little tiny building has led the world in advancements in pediatric science and clinical care and now it's going to rise up you will bring it to the fore through an organization called al-sac music music music music if i were to die tomorrow i now know why i was born music while we're sitting here making this video there's a family that's walking through the front doors on a friday afternoon and they're at st jude when we came to st jude i asked the doctor can you treat my child and he said no we're going to cure him music music but uh wait mike there we go hey there we go you look nice today stream requires some kind of technical issue it's just how it goes that is uh that's right so i am very excited to be coming from st jude campus live today uh undertaking a bunch of health and safety precautions to do this super excited to be back in the studio lots of fun stuff planned over the next six hours but uh mike maybe before we get started let's uh let's check in on fundraising and tell people why we're here yeah so as of right now uh as we mentioned steven is at st jude and that's why we're here right we are raising money for the kids of st jude to help continue st jude's fight to make sure that no child will die from cancer we are currently at by my dashboard steven an absolutely unbelievable 224 779 dollars and 62 cents which my friend i will tell you is a larger total than we ended last year's podcastathon that that's amazing it has been so much fun this year uh to do this campaign we've done a lot more live streaming and other things uh and it's just fun it's fun to talk about uh the message of st jude and throughout the next uh six hours you're going to hear a lot more about st jude the research that they do the work that they do to save the lives of thousands of children including my oldest son who is diagnosed with a brain tumor as a baby and now is getting ready to turn 12 years old and is happy and healthy thanks to the advancement of science and medicine here but also like the flip side of the coin for st jude is the the care and the honestly the love that we feel from the from our medical team now over a decade it's simply amazing and it's a real honor to get to sit in this chair with that logo in front of me and uh and hang out for the next uh the next six hours yeah you're choking me up already uh so there's also we try and bring in uh your story your your family's story where we can and later on uh actually throughout the six hours we're going to be doing a really amazing thing that you and your wife mary put together to kind of talk through some of that story so that'll be something to look out for absolutely we get the opportunity to share what st jude is actually like it's one thing to talk about it it's another thing to see it and so we're going to take y'all on a virtual tour throughout the next several hours we'll have segments of that uh of course we're also going to have segments with some of your favorite relay fm hosts we have a bunch of fun content queued up uh with a bunch of nerds here on relay so we're going to talk about tech talk about the hospital raise some money and uh you're going to get in a ball pit and i'm going to play with bouncy balls oh it's not a ball pit my friend it's a ballroom i'm in this space like cold in my mind the ball pits right there but it's not i'm sorry that's so that's where we were last year uh when we were when we were sitting at that table together we had a ball pit next to us uh and i figured well i have all this space i am broadcasting here from mega studio here in london uh and just there is a gazebo full of currently about 150 people and so every single time 100 is donated at stjude.org slash relay we will be adding more balloons to the balloon and i mean we have i think at the moment somewhere in the region of 400 already inflated balloons awesome my one person production squad my wife edina is sitting right there and between the two of us during some pre-recorded content later we're going to be inflating more of them i want to fill this thing we have we have like 800 balloons in this studio 400 we'll get them in there i imagine people who because you're in a shared building i imagine people who like walk by maybe get a glimpse in your door like what in the world is going on in there yeah i have wondered because there have been so we've been at the moment putting these balloons in these bags right and the bags hold about 25 balloons and we've had them and there is currently right now a few bags over there and they're effectively just in the view of the studio and they're effectively just in the view of this window that we have on our door let alone the fact that for the last four days there's been this machine that we've been using to inflate all of these balloons can you uh with your mouth face give us a little bit of a taste of what that machine may sound like well you know there is a very strong chance that during these six hours you're gonna hear that because yeah there might be a lot to inflate that's how it goes and uh we had a surprise with one of the balloons yesterday during our tech rehearsal uh which maybe will be a surprise again later today yeah so we have balloons of varying sizes what i have discovered is the large ones if the large ones pop uh it sounds like a thunder shot like i nearly died so we have that to look forward to you like jumped out of frame during our rehearsal yesterday it was great can we just say steven i don't know if you're seeing this right now so many people are donating right now at saintju.org slash relay so something we have this year is right here above us we have a little name call out when people are donating yeah and it has been absolutely non-stop over the last eight minutes like it will not stop so uh we are currently at 227 821 dollars that's really awesome adina can i get a count how many balloons will now need to be added there is a calculations happening over in the corner and then in there i guess yeah thank you so much people who are donating uh pam for your gift uh aaron i mean this like this window is a corner of my eye just like scrolling by author and kim uh family yeah dustin thank you thank you all so much we're not gonna be able to read all your names unfortunately but we are going to uh keep track of of the donations like i said you have your ballroom which you'll see in a minute should we show people uh how i'm going to measure i would love that okay so i'm going to go over here there's something under this blanket like last year i have wires everywhere so i have to be very careful when i get up so if you see me reaching down and so i don't uh have a terrible accident of us a podcast a thon two is basically just an all-wired affair yeah oh look at this sexy angle we've got going on here look at this so let me uh do some things here do you want to talk about what that blanket is yes i do so this blanket i'm trying to plug something in and talk to you uh this blanket is my susan care blanket so the designer of the dog cow and a bunch of original mac iconography you can see there's a dog cow there a house i think that's a fish of some sort anyways let me show y'all what's under here i've been keeping this literally under wraps so i get to do my big reveal here and that what is this monstrosity i'm gonna throw this that way have you got a gtx 2080 in there yeah the one of the 3080 i got in line early uh so this used to be a performer 6400 and i picked this machine because it has this really ugly forehead and with the help of my dad and some friends we cut the side of it out put plexiglass in it so i'm an elite gamer and what i'm gonna do is uh for every 50 donated and i'll do this in batches i'm going to drop a bouncy ball in and these are real bouncy balls i can put one over here and it bounces across the uh all the all the techs in the room got very nervous when i did that i was the person that saw that because i have a couple of different camera angles and that looked terrifying it's back over there so so we're gonna be putting these in uh as the evening goes on and it's going to slowly fill up so my idea was sometimes you see fundraisers and they have like a thermometer or something and like they fill it in with red that's lame filling a computer with bouncy balls is awesome so we're gonna do this um so i'm just gonna kind of catch up now and uh we will be uh there we go there's a bouncy ball nice thank you nick how many of those do you think are gonna melt on the leds you put inside so i've ran this for eight hours the other day full of bouncy balls and there was no fire um so hopefully we'll be okay here i would like to call out an incredible joke from canine play in the twitch chat weird bounce but okay oh that's really good that's fantastic uh so just to confirm you put that hole in this yes well technically my dad did the cutting because i'm not allowed to use an angle grinder but uh did all the led and the wiring myself i like that your your literal dad wouldn't let you use the angle grinder yeah he's watching hi dad thanks for the help uh so yeah so we're gonna fill this up i have 900 bouncy balls in a bucket behind my table and we're just gonna fill it up as the day goes on how does that sound for you question for you how tempted have you been to just dump that bouncy ball bucket i mean i don't want to do it in here because i want to come back to the allsex studio next year but uh i can tell you i'm gonna go back to my seat now i can tell you that while i was driving to campus earlier today i was very nervous i had them in a five gallon bucket and had a top that was taped on all the way around and like every time i hit a bump i thought the bouncy balls come out of my truck i'm just like i'm just gonna give up because there's no getting getting them back in i'm happy to confirm that the first uh bags of balloons are starting to enter balloon as we speak so very short ly i will enter balloon for the first time uh we are going to do some other things we're going to track our progress with the performa and with the ballroom but we have some things uh that we did last year and some new things as well uh so the the beard cutting is going to return this year so i've been growing this out for a little while it's not a quarantine beard but it's getting there and uh we're going to lose that little by little and do the voting like we did last year which i fully assume people are going to want me to keep my mustache because that's how it worked last time but it's going to be so disappointed if people are not going to commit to mustache life because it was incredible it was i really liked it um so we're going to do that and we have some other things that uh that you're going to do uh we also have if you go to saintju.org slash relay to donate you will see some future milestones so we've done flight simulator i took a part of macbook i put wheels on my mac pro oh by the way mike you can't see it maybe i'll show it later the feet of that performer the feet of that performer okay i'm gonna come back over here you've got to show it okay on what you've done here is maybe my favorite part so a couple of weeks ago or maybe it was like a day ago uh steven uh changed out his mac pro uh feet for wheels that was one of our milestone streams that steven did on the very first beta episode of this old mac nice ankles by the way thank you uh but and so if you you can kind of see it if you look very carefully there's something shining from the bottom of that performer case those are the feet off my mac pro i put them on the performer they've been given a new life reduce reuse recycle my friend i can do my like these are the feet you can see a little light reflecting on them these are the feet you could have won so it was uh it was a real adventure uh turns out mike that the performer 6400 doesn't have a good place to mount mac pro wheels or mac pro feet excuse me so i had to do some fabrication i'm probably the only person ever to walk into a hardware store with a mac pro foot and be like i need a screw that fits this uh but that's uh that's what we did so that's the life that i lead i do it for the kids you know at stju.org slash relay you can do something for the kids too you have a hole in the top of that very clever oh yeah that's how the bouncy ball is going so uh so mike we have another challenge do you want to uh introduce this and maybe we get that one started this is called bean boozled this is sent to me by our wonderful friends uh st jude in like a challenge kit that they make and effectively this is a product that the jelly belly company produce where they take their uh lovable and and wondered uh flavors and they put some uh unfortunate flavors in too unfortunate so for example what you think maybe the button buttered popcorn flavor maybe the rotten egg flavor instead so i am going to be spinning the little wheel okay and it will land on a flavor and then what color i have to eat that color and we'll see what happens okay now if anybody wants to see me do these i believe this is going to happen two times at the moment uh it is a how much is the donation steven is it five hundred dollars million dollars i think it's a million dollars million i don't think that's true i'm waiting for the control room to correct me yeah if someone in the control room could remind us what is the total is it a 500 donation oh god they're not telling me how much it is just how many i have to eat yeah so there is a certain level that we once you donate i have to eat one and i'm now up to three so i'm gonna do the first one now and we'll see how that goes and it is a 500 donation so uh i have landed on what will either be chocolate pudding or dog food flavor i want to do this refreshing oh boy that's dog food oh oh that's mine was kind of sweet and juicy it was good that's a that's a meat flavor jelly bean is what that is that's uh that's really awesome while mike is collecting himself um some more thank yous to jake to uh herb to andrew again these these just are making my mac pro just go macbook pro go nuts with these names um sandew.org slash relay you can make mike are you okay buddy you look like you're having a situation i'm gonna do another one okay i'm ready you ready okay this will either be berry blue or toothpaste no i'm fine with this one right okay that was the berry one oh it's really good sweet little zesty i'll do one more okay this is ever gonna be oh my god juicy pear or booger so let's hope for pear ready yeah pear some sort of fruit flavor no no well actually i really don't like the juicy pear flavor so i don't know which one we're gonna set those aside for a little while okay yeah i'm just gonna do one more just for kicks you know like that surprise just out of interest where's your spinning wheel um so i had an accident with my packaging right so it might have been put in a shiny st jude mug oh it's interesting how you pull the color out so easily every time yeah well you know uh let's have a i have a knack for this steven we're about to hit two hundred and thirty thousand dollars oh boy two hundred thirty two thousand right now it happened so there you go yep there we go uh thank you all so much uh what is what is really cool about saint jr you're gonna learn more about this as we go on is that not only do patients here receive the best cancer treatment for kids in the world i mean that literally but parents families don't have to pay for it so i can tell you when our son was diagnosed my wife and i were in our early 20s and even now in our mid 30s like this sort of thing just it's it's financially ruinous for so many families and it it adds so much stress and anxiety about the bills as the saint jude just lifts all that weight off uh the families and that means that when your kids doing treatment or for a scan or whatever is going on that little ticker in the back of your mind is not running right you don't hear the numbers add up you're just thankful for people like all of y'all watching all of y'all donating uh that makes all of that possible and you're gonna meet some patients in a little while you're also gonna meet uh the parent of a survivor and a doctor here at saint jude to tell different angles of that story but it really is amazing for us at least to have a decade of treatment and a lot of people a lot longer than that without ever paying a dime steven i would like to to thank some people sunnit who is a certified uh original upgradian who donated one thousand dollars a moment ago okay we'll get some bouncy balls all right i'm getting some bouncy balls in here and i've just been told by our wonderful producer that this is the first milestone of your beard change okay maybe we maybe we can show people uh what the different stages will be and we have a video coming up and i'll duck out and shave that sounds like a good idea and i could also get in balloon yeah it sounds good uh so mike it is uh it is september and uh how are you feeling about the new iphones are you excited about ordering a new iphone i'm not sure that there is one yet i think i have to wait for november for that yeah do you buy an apple watch no i didn't buy an apple watch it's not happening you haven't done it yet no i'm not gonna do it either interesting waves of that dog food flavor oh my god it's still happening you still have the dog food taste yeah i'm sorry you know what steven i'm gonna go get in bloom okay it's gonna happen okay you can go do that and uh i will tell people a little bit more uh about jason snow just donated a thousand dollars thank you thank you that's the original upgradian yep the most original jason's gonna be on later on today yes thank you jason all right so mike is getting into his uh balloon i gotta say during our our rehearsals and our uh setup of all this you know mike is sending me pictures mike is telling me what he's gonna do and it really doesn't do it justice until until you see this uh so mike if if you're in there there he is i'm in the how's it going maybe we can uh hello from bloom hello so this is somewhere in the region of i think what are we at in a 200 oh there goes the first one oh that's gonna keep happening throughout the night uh i guess only when i'm in here i suppose um we do have later on you may be able to see it there is a tripod here in bloom uh where we will be getting in there are currently 205 balloons here in bloom um as i've just been told by my wonderful production team we have balloons of varying sizes and they move around i think that people want to see you do like a snow angel but in the balloons well let's say i will do that later on uh when we can bring when we bring the camera inside because right now you won't see anything okay but i will promise that later on in the evening that's good but what i want from our wonderful uh viewers right now um and throughout the evening is i want this thing to fill up we have enough balloons to fill it so if you donate at stjude.org slash relay we can fill this thing that's right and we're going to fill this performer with bouncy balls which is the strangest sentence i've ever said on a live stream before yep but uh that's that's the world that we live in my friend oh i think there is uh more balloons okay oh look at that look at that here they come there he goes oh this is your donations ladies and gentlemen your donations are causing these balloons that is fantastic so you know everything i've ever wanted all right so let's uh let's talk about the beard a little bit uh we have that graphic ready to show you all how this is going to progress your beard my beard not your beard uh so we're going to come down i'm going to get rid of this here so just be sideburns and the goatee and then we'll work our way down from there as the day goes on ending in what i like to call mustache land it's everybody's favorite place to be it is for you yes maybe not for themselves so we are currently at 234 thousand dollars so i'm going to go and shave the middle part here in a few minutes and i would say maybe we throw down uh the next chunk of facial hair at maybe at 250 how does that sound mike i think that sounds fantastic hey do you know what we have coming up real soon what i think aren't we speaking to our friend federico uh we are speaking to our friend federico uh in uh in about 20 minutes and we have a little game that we're going to play together which will be very exciting um i'm a little nervous about it to be honest with you so if you didn't hear it on connected uh wednesday um they're gonna make me play pokemon well no no no again that's what i was told we are uh on connected uh every year we play a game that we've affectionately called the jeremy's named after our friend jeremy budge who guesses emoji and we love that game we love to play it but we don't want to play it yet it's not time so we have decided that we're going to make you play the very first inaugural of the ashes named after ash ketchum the star of pokemon yes animated series where me and federico have amassed just i think 22 different pokemon okay we're going to show them to you and we want you to guess their names okay i'm nervous about this and we did say on the show that i can also guess their powers but i don't think that's any points right no that's something that for some reason you really want to do and we welcome you to try it seems like it's easier to guess powers than names so i'm saying i've seen these pokemon oh you think the names will be easy i don't think you'll be able to get either i don't think that you will see it in anything here but we wish you the very best of luck i'm really really excited about that um so mike you're still in the balloon i have a question about the balloon yes you know like if you get a balloon and you rub it on your hair you get the static electricity does that whole room feel that way not yet but um there is going to be a certain point where i'm not going to touch anything electrical except the microphone you're holding aside from the microphone that i'm holding so uh i have a lot of technology over there and i'm going to try and leave it alone as much as possible uh right now we're good i mean maybe if i don't know can i get one of these to stick to me let's see the red jacket is so good no thank you uh very good brand today true wait is red our brand oh it's st jude st jude's brand though yeah the the burqa today st jude red uh we are currently sitting at 235 thousand dollars and some change thank you all so much uh tony and steve and becky and charlie all of you recent donors thank you so much claire for coming in uh this means the world to us you know we said this last year and i had mike i had the same feeling today is that our careers are just bonkers like our company is ridiculous that it exists and it's amazing that it exists but like on paper like what are y'all doing but to get to harness all of that and use it for good and to have our amazing audience get behind this year after year it means so much to us and so thank you all for being involved so far we're going to keep this rolling uh mike we're uh we're 28 minutes in so you know five and a half hours left how you feeling feeling good right now i'm feeling excellent uh it is worth noting that i am obviously in london which means we are scheduled to end at 1 a.m my time it's gonna be awesome so there is a snack bar which includes i believe a four pack of red bull over there in mega studio and that's gonna get me through right now i'm feeling great i'm pumped up because i'm surrounded by balloons that's awesome couldn't be more excited i think that uh as this evening goes on we're going to see a different side of you that maybe we don't get to see every day that's very true because i'm i expect that i'm going to get very loopy towards the end oh yeah it's going to be excellent uh that's one reason we moved the time up this year so we weren't sending you home at four o'clock in the morning yes yeah yeah that that would have been uh extra difficult um one year one year we'll do 24 hours and see how that goes yeah um i'm all for it all the people in this room like they just they have like this dead look in their eyes like please don't make us watch you for 24 hours we can't handle it all right so we're going to uh show y'all a video um i want to introduce this is going to be a series throughout the day of the virtual tour of of saint jude and if you watched us last year remember our friend enrique uh he and his wife joined mary and i on this virtual tour and we got to hear a lot about their story talk about our story and you know one thing you're going to notice and i want you to look out for is how different saint jude looks to other hospitals i've been in other children's hospitals i've of course been like in like old man hospitals for me and saint jude is just a special place and we're so excited to show it off to y'all uh so enjoy uh step one on our virtual tour and we'll be back in just a few minutes hey guys it's good to see y'all hey guys hey stephen hey mary how y'all doing yeah we're good we're excited to be uh doing this virtual tour with y'all i'm sorry it can't be an in-person tour i know i regret that it's not in person but i love that uh we have an opportunity to chat together uh as a family even if it's a virtual environment we miss y'all that's right yes i know i miss you guys too so with that i think we'll get the the tour kicked off um this is a danny thomas statue that is actually right outside the hospital um this is a newer newer statue of danny with a couple of kids uh just kind of showing them but here we are at the what is the entrance of the hospital this is what considered the main entrance this is the saint jude statue uh this statue has been here since 1962 since uh danny thomas opened the doors of the hospital um you know the story goes uh back um back when danny was a struggling entertainer uh he made a promise to saint jude that if uh he helped him find his way he would one day build him a shrine uh this is uh and saint jude is in fact uh that shrine uh he felt that after that prayer and after that promise his career kind of took a turn and uh he accredited that success to saint jude um and you know like i said once his once he built his success and a good following he began fundraising for saint jude in 1957 through uh the way of the al-sack organization which is american lebanese syrian associated charities which is actually where i work and we're the fundraising and awareness for saint jude um and um yeah so he uh in 1962 when he finally realized his dream of opening the doors of saint jude he uh he built this statue here in front of the hospital or he had this statue put up in front of the hospital and now uh it still sits there uh one of the interesting stories of uh that i like to share about um the statue here is that when he was going around asking for money there was a kid named billy johnson who was a little blind boy uh that wanted to help saint jude he he had heard danny speak and he loved everything danny said so much and he wanted to help danny and he had 75 cents to his name and he gave those 75 cents to danny thomas and those 75 cents sit at the corner right there of the um statue um it's really special um you know billy recently visited the hospital again uh he's he's been a longtime supporter and donor of saint jude um and we have you know we have that visit on footage and i hope that we can share that with your group later it's cool it's such an amazing way to come into the hospital and you know we were out kind of outside moving our way in so much of this campus is just a beautiful place to be you know there's flowers when it's sunny outside you can go out and eat lunch or run around um then saint jude did such a good job with their campus making it a welcoming place no one wants to have to bring their children through the front door of saint jude but for those of us who have like the four of us that is such a welcoming warm place to step into yeah because of all the artwork it is um you know i'll let i'll let mary and let you see i kind of share this piece of it but this is where a family first uh walks in through the hospital if you see right here on this painting that we're looking at up there where it's representing fall on the far right corner is where we actually met for the first time as a family uh in that lobby area up there on the second floor was where we first met josiah and josiah first met ariana um so you know because the in-care patient rooms were in there or the in inpatient rooms were in there um and the jukebox and the jukebox so yeah so i think it's a it's a good time to kind of introduce my lovely wife who's sitting here next to me um you know and and uh your lovely wife sitting next to you mary and just kind of let them share their perspective as a mom and what it felt like walking through the doors as a parent uh of saint jude for the first time i forgot to bring tissues out here yeah um we walked through those doors in 2009 when we first found out that josiah had been diagnosed with he was six months old just i was diagnosed with astrocytoma glioma brain tumor and he was recovering in surgery at a local hospital around the corner from saint jude so while he was recovering from surgery taking part of the tumor out we came knowing that he would be a saint jude patient and were introduced and got our medical record number and learned a little bit of what our day-to-day life was going to look like all of a sudden that had changed dramatically over a matter of four days in the hospital in may that year so yeah it brings back a lot of memories just looking at those wagons sitting there ready to be used everything is cleaned by volunteers the that desk is exactly the same like in a comforting way since 2009 and i just love i remember just staring at that artwork and with the different seasons and thinking about how you know we were going to be there we were there in spring and spring wasn't going to look like what we had expected it to we had no idea what summer was like and if we would even get to fall and winter that year we were right behind you guys officially diagnosed quote-unquote in june we actually started in japan when she was diagnosed with a tumor made our way to texas with her first brain tumor or her first resection and 30 days after her first resection we ended up walking into saint jude and having a second resection at saint jude and becoming patients ultimately um in august and it was it's still surreal looking at it now because it it does like you said it brings back so many memories of of fear in of not hopelessness and helplessness but then it also brings so many memories of of hope in you know when someone just you knowing that you were in the right place at the right time you know once you meet everyone there you know that you're it's gonna be okay yeah yeah i think it was uh you know for for us we like leticia said we got there in august and actually i remember it was august 2nd of 2009 uh it was a sunday night um and i remember before we came to saint dude we were researching and trying to find the best treatment option for ariana and everything led to saint jude to uh so-called dr gajar and i remember we uh when we got to the hospital dr gajar was there waiting for us uh the head of neuro-oncology uh at a world-renowned hospital like saint jude uh was there to greet us and make sure that we felt welcomed and uh felt like we were at the right place and he definitely uh hit that out the park i mean we knew immediately walking in through those doors that we were at the right place at that time i was really into uh in the navy and and i was in the navy at that time and my career was into uh metrics and analytics so i was really into numbers and i remember just the first question i asked him was what percentage of survival do you give my daughter and he said i don't treat numbers i treat kids and i promise i promise to do everything i can to save your daughter's life um and to me that spoke volumes you know because um i don't know how many other hospitals you you all may have called before you came to saint jude but hospitals that we called uh one of the first or second questions was always um what kind of insurance what kind of insurance do you have you know and you know and for us that wasn't a problem me being active duty military but you know that was hey guys it's good to see you all hey dad and i asked him was pretty into us that never yeah no sat well with us so the furthest thing from my mind at that point i had to know that that wasn't it that's an issue for a lot of people it's just sickening yeah and you know and walking through those doors in these halls right here where exactly where we're standing this is where a lot of families for the first time here you're not going to pay for any of this this is all absolutely free um and to just kind of feel that overwhelming sense of comfort knowing that this is completely taken care of um it's just one huge stretcher stressor that's relieved uh for the families i think saint jude and alzac do a great do the best job possible to ensure that families have nothing to worry about other than put a smile on their kids face uh with that i feel like we've uh we've introduced ourselves really well and we uh we have introduced the hospital i'm really looking forward to show everybody just different stops and uh some exciting uh opportunities to look at uh things that normally you get a bunch of stuff from your desk during a regular tour um so i hope everyone uh really enjoys this virtual tour we're about to embark on and i'll see you guys at the next stop all right thanks hello and welcome back i hope you all enjoyed uh stage one of our virtual tour really excited to show you more of saint jude as the day goes on but we have important pokemon business if that thing is possible uh so welcome to the podcast thon mr federico vatici hello hi buddy buona sera how are you guys oh very good oh it's fun to be here again yeah loom is filling up federico oh yeah are you ready you're ready to be drowning balloons nearly that's lovely here for today we are here for a very important game uh for you steven i'm very nervous about this so it's a very important uh me and federico have been working diligently long hours to find a selection of our favorite pocket monsters did you know that pokemon was short for pocket monsters by the way steven no okay well that's what that's what pokemon means pocket monsters okay uh we have found a collection of some of our very favorites uh and i'm not going to lie also some that the two of us have never heard of before even though that we have actually played every single one of these games so uh we have a presentation i've made a very great keynote that we're going to be bringing up on screen uh in just a moment and then we're going to go step by step steven and we're going to have you guess the names of these uh pokemon and you have decided that you also want to try and guess their abilities whatever powers powers sorry ability just not called powers i think either one um and as that keynote's getting pulled up i should say i should confess that during our break i forgot to go shave because i was adding bouncy balls to the performer so i promise i'll go shave after this but the premise of this game is that steven didn't even know the pokemon means pocket monsters so we're really off to a great start here okay uh mike i have my list ready as well as the images um so steven are you ready to to guess really interesting english names i was i was born ready that's not okay at all i wasn't born i honestly i would be very surprised if you guess more than one in this game so let's just start with the first one steven and no no help from uh external sources please so the people in this room can't like whisper in my ear what it is no you need to do this on your own you you can do this the first one now okay yes you want to go okay uh yeah so the uh the first one is uh pikachu and uh he shoots lightning out of his body okay that's what he does it's it's out of his uh out of his cheek cheek pouches yes so when you say body i didn't like that okay i didn't like that all right so we got that one down obviously i'm not gonna lie we started off easy yeah i was gonna say i feel like if i missed that one the rest of the game is already over yeah but this um goes downhill real fast i think okay so you got this one it's pikachu everybody knows pikachu well do can i ask you a bonus question steven of course do you know the evolution of pikachu um there's uh there's pikachu one and then pikachu point two it's how it works pika two pika three yeah come on there's a pre-evolution and there's an evolution the pre-evolution is the same name without a part of the name pika no absolutely it's not pika impossible it's pichu pichu but anyway that's a different word no it's okay well the evolution is right you but you were never guessed um let's go with the second one and this is where things get tricky for you okay so federico i will just ask you a favor because uh we're running a real interest in uh production today we're getting reports from the twitch chat that you're a toddler patch loud a touch loud and we can't actually adjust your audio so if you just want to lean away from the microphone for me a little bit that would be incredible i can do that and i would like to just thank because it's just come off on the screen in front of me chris campbell for a donation of two thousand dollars thank you chris that's awesome thank you chris clearly loves pikachu all right so here's the next one steven do you want to get this one to go for me let's see i'm uh i see pikachu still that's pikachu i got two right oh i've switched over well pikachu forever is what i say i think i've won 100 percent um well we are we're looking at a different pokemon i'm i have a different pokemon on my screen right now so i'm going to attempt to fix this there we go okay so what i've learned is that uh keno in full screen did not that wasn't good so we're back to non-full screen which is better for me anyway so do you want to give this one a go so please describe what you're looking at it is uh it's a purple uh animal of some sort it's not it's not purple look in my vision it's this wide across on this monitor over here it is tiny okay okay okay what kind of creature my discord window is up there i and he has a tongue that looks like it's as long as his body i have a lot of questions about where it goes when his mouth is closed but in the table we can leave that alone okay and uh this is a licky tongue correct how the re well okay i assumed he was going to know this federico because a couple of days ago uh i think it was actually gave me the idea for this game steven inextricably just pasted this image into our group chat did i yeah you did yeah are you cheating at this game steven oh by the way i brought the bell so i need to give myself two rings i have two right all right okay perfectly loud please please okay sorry i'll leave it out here so you guessed uh you guessed the leaky tongue which uh will give you some interesting facts about leaky tongue taken straight from uh cereby which is a really good pokemon website um it's a the official classification steven it's a leaking pokemon uh and the official description is if this pokemon sticky saliva gets on you and you don't clean it off an intense itch will set no no i don't like this one go away either that's the official description um for leaky tongue who's just allow me to do this but the german names of pokemon are different and most of the time they are so much better than the original ones okay the german name of leaky tongue is and i'm not kidding schlorp oh that's like a sound you ready for the next one i'm ready for the next one so i'm just gonna tell you steven number one and number two yeah i knew you were gonna get them okay these are the big guns coming out now what is this all right so it looks like some sort of jenga tower with blocks for legs yeah i'm gonna say his superpower is squishing things it's not a super part it's why do you pokemon they have abilities they don't have powers they don't have super powers the more you correct me the more i'm gonna say it let's just okay put that out there uh i'm gonna say that his name is a blocky boy but with an eye try and be more original come on wait where's the eye in charge of naming if you were in charge of naming pokemon would you really name this one blocky boy yes yes i would federico are you sure any other guesses um uh i'm gonna say i'm gonna make it pokemon i'm gonna say uh block a ton okay that was much more pokemon that's so much better you're getting in the right mood uh unfortunately that is not the name oh no the name of this pokemon is uh stack attack come on i was in the ballpark so what's what's his ability so called ability uh it's so-called ability is beast boost what does that mean it increases the pokemon's highest stat when he knocks out another pokemon you are literally making this up none of this is what we're saying about ability i am not making this up this is how it works and you need to accept it it's stuck attacker all right i'm ready i'm ready for number four come on okay what in the world uh it looks like a radish or some sort of i don't know it looks like it twists it looks like it moves by twisting you know what i just thought federico what might be better for the abilities quote-unquote powers that steven wants is the pokemon's description perfect right like how you did the the lickitung one i think that that will give more color for what steven's looking perfect i will be ready with those okay uh i'm gonna say that its name is twist azord what's the name twist azord because it looks like it twists twist azord yeah well unfortunately that is not that is not the name steven the name is malamar okay um and allow me to say the german uh name and the french name as well in german it's calamarero and in french it's sepia troche which is like i think the idea would be it's it's a it's an atrocious squid so uh that would be the idea like calamari like calamari yes that's the idea um and malamar is classified as an overturning pokemon whose description is it said that malamar's hypnotic powers play the role in certain history changing events oh my so does it twist it it does have so i'll give you this it does have a move called topsy turvy i win that's the point so well that's a move it's like going upside down it's not it's not twisting it's topsy turvy but steven i know you're gonna like the next one i'm ready all right before i describe this i would encourage you to go to saintju.org slash relay and donate for to support the mission of saint jude children's research hospital which is why we are here it's why i'm looking at pokemon i hate everything about this but i'm doing it for the kids so you could you can uh donate for the kids so this one is wearing a some sort of sombrero but it's made out of plants somebody you know and his body's like an egg and his hands look like outlets you could plug things into his hands interesting yeah so my god you say the hat's part of his body that's not important it doesn't matter it doesn't matter it's important to him i think i'm gonna go with i'm gonna go with uh rolagreen it's sort of round and it's green rolagreen okay rolagreen no i gotta say you people out here are laughing at me in the studio that's not helpful rolagreen um no uh the name of this pokemon steven is ludicolo how was i gonna know that ludicolo is a carefree pokemon of course and according to the pokemon company if it hears festive music it begins moving in written in order to amplify its power and allow me just for a second to tell you the japanese name of this pokemon which is so much better than the english one in japan ludicolo is known as a rampapa oh so that's nice it's a little right it's a festive yes it's a festive carefree pokemon it just doesn't care ludicolo don't care rom papa would be a great name for steven you can be a rom papa steven yeah you can be a rom papa all right i'm ready what do you think of this thing so it's uh it's holding things i don't know if it's coming out of its hand like it's pushing things into the ground or maybe it's really long fingernails again it's about this big in my field of vision but it makes me think like like it's a guarding pokemon like you can't get past that pokemon to get into the castle right okay so he's he's a sentry of some sort the description of this pokemon is very simple so the classification is very simple look at the pokemon what do you think of the pokemon like it is it's it's big guy right it's a big guy correct giant so how would you describe this it's a it's a yeah it's big giant gargoyle no no it's a so the classification is it's a muscular pokemon okay okay so what do you think the name is muscular pokemon uh i'm gonna go with swallow mander that's actually uh no last for that that's brutal swallow mander yeah so what i'll tell you is it isn't right obviously uh man that does sound like a couple of other different pokemon so you know you actually you're getting this i'm just gonna guess that name the rest of them conkleder conkleder also known also known affectionately in the community as conk of course obviously that's what i'm calling obviously that's what we call it and i will tell you about conk is that concrete mixed by conkelder is much more durable than normal concrete even when the compositions of the two materials are the same so really you want this guy to build your house is what the gist of it is so it's a contractor yes contractor called uh yeah okay yeah he puts the con in contractor here is our next one uh that's just a keychain that's not a pokemon this is one of the this is one of the faves when you google weird pokemon this one comes up every single time it it looks like something out of beauty and the beast that like comes alive at night okay i'm gonna go with key ring oh that's well i'll tell you the classification is actually this is a key ring pokemon are there other key ring pokemon no well it just well no not in this context then why is it a classification that seems like there's how can you classify this it's a key ring pokemon all right so what's the name um locksmith locksmith so smart that's such a smart guess it's wrong obviously you don't say obviously every time that's really i can imagine l-o-k-s-m-i-f right like that would be the way you would do it in yeah you know what actually i'm i've got my eye on the twitch chat here i think it might be interesting to bring up some additional uh guesses every now and then we have tj has said kikachu which i actually think is genius oh that's really good uh but no this is clefky uh tom has donated uh using the name swallow mander so thank you tom very team allow me to give you the official description which is actually kind of interesting clefky sucks in metal ions with the horn top in its head it seems this pokemon loves keys so much that its head needed to look like one too oh it is worth noting steven they are real keys so we can go around and unlock things with his body yeah well no the body is a body the rest are actual keys that so the body is the ring and the keys are like or like tattoos or earrings on the body yep it is a key ring pokemon after all for the classification so all right next yes steven you're still at two points i know all right let's do a lightning round let's see let's let's just you want to do a few because we got 22 here yeah we're not going to make it through all 22 oh yeah we're really bumping up on time here all right you know what yeah he's going to pick a few favorites we're going to pick a few so federico give me the number of the ones that you really want him to say uh why don't you do uh number 12 number 12 oh great that's a great one what is this steven that's easy that's uh old uh marshmallow cloud a marshmallow are you positive it's a cloud and a marshmallow at once i'm a scientist federico look closer oh is it ice cream is it an ice cream type pokemon yes yep uh all right i'm gonna go with uh lacaton like lactose and tan put together you're getting closer to these uh this is vanillite oh vanillite okay so there are other ones is there like a pink one that's strawberry and then like a green one that's meant chocolate chippy mike do a number 21 we just got 1042 from uh james and saskia and and tla systems p cap thank you so much thank you have to divide that by the hackett number which one did you say 21 21 what's some bouncy balls in for james what is this steven look at this guy so it looks like a tree but his hands are leaves but they're also balls which is weird like they're like maybe the little suction cups um but he looks little i can think he's a twig he's not a tree no so it is a tree i'm being told i'm being told it's a tree i'm gonna go with um i will help you okay i will help you here i'll tell you it's not real wood it's a it's vinyl siding it's like not it's artificial wood we'll try and come up with that just think about that imagine we're gonna see if we can help you here like it's not real wood it is fake wood or i'm saying fake instead of fake it is uh artificial yeah it is uh it looks like wood therefore it's wood grain well i don't know wood like i don't know what do you want me to say this is called pseudo wudo are you serious yes i quit podcast thought over i have one more okay one last one uh federico i'm thinking uh number 18 what do you think yes please this one this is our last one of the evening what in the world uh so i i feel like so you know in uh the avengers dr strange like has the thing he like does his hand and the energy field comes out yeah kind of getting that vibe from this dude but he has a lot of hands and they don't seem to be connected which is very concerning one could say it's uh a little creepy even look at look at the circles though what are the circles are there like the okay so the arms go like into into its chest like maybe or it's like sockets maybe none of this is helping you i know and i don't know what it is i don't know i'm gonna go with um the the great socketeer the whole thing is the name is it's a title the great socketeer federico what is the name of this pokemon the name of this pokemon is hoopa unbound the name is hoopa and this is the unbound form okay obviously oh so they're hoops yes got it i told you to look at the circles i'm sorry we did try and help you being told that the control room has been playing along and they're much better at this than i am right so just let that soak in a little bit uh i didn't do well i got two right i got however many wrong i got wrong that's fine yeah i know i feel like i'm so i didn't cheat i already knew it it's not cheating if it's already in your brain oh no i feel like cheating could disagree okay thank you so much for taking the time out of course this is a real pleasure this was a great success we have about another 15 pokemon so maybe we can do this at a later date we can get we can finish this off i tell you what maybe we'll put it as a milestone uh on the donation page at stju.org slash relay to unlock and we'll uh we'll stream the rest of these uh sometime the next couple weeks how about that yeah i love that so keep an eye on that and we'll we'll finish this off uh later day federico thank you i know you're so busy uh right now uh we really really appreciate you taking the time of course thank you guys it's been fun bye federico bye-bye wow that was that was humiliating it sure was uh i have something uh for you it was great for us i have something now uh that i want to introduce steven we're going to go to uh an interview that i conducted a couple of days ago this is with a guy called miguel and miguel is a previous patient at st jude who has a different story to the type of stories that we focused on in previous interviews and some of the segments that we've shown you which i think actually helps offer another incredibly important perspective on why the work of st jude matters to so many people from all over the world different types of people different types of walk of life at different stages of their life so we're now going to go through this interview that i conducted with miguel really powerful and i hope you enjoy it so miguel i'd love to learn a little bit more about you and your journey with st jude so i guess we can start how did you find out about st jude what brought you there well it is very interesting uh mike because we didn't know what st jude was until the very last moment in which we were told hey there's nothing we can really do for you and if you want anything done you will have to pay money that you don't have so it was basically jumping from hospital to hospital until we finally found this doctor in the dominican republic that said hey let me do one more thing you know like in the movies just one more thing and she said send me your medical record and then the next day she called us and said you have been accepted at st jude children research hospital wow and i said oh great but i don't know what st jude is and she said this is the best human hospital in the world this is the place i would say my child and you don't have to pay for that half a million dollar treatment for that 70 000 surgery you don't even have to play pay for where you're going to stay or you're playing tickets because i happen on my desk you're flying to memphis tennessee in four days it was just like that yeah how old were you i was 17 right so i was well aware of what were the consequences and the possible outcomes of not receiving the treatment that i needed in the surgery to run the tumor yeah because a lot of the stories that i'm familiar with with st jude and a lot of the ones that we look at really talk about young children quite a lot and and because that is obviously a big focus but being 17 is like maybe the worst kind of time because you're still a kid but you are very aware of what's going on and i imagine that that was incredibly difficult yeah it is and also for my peers who were around the same age or just a tiny bit younger than me teenage years because it takes a toll mentally the adolescence and going through you know breakups and your friends and you're not seeing them anymore and you're trying to fit and then all of a sudden you lose your hair away from your friends it really takes a mental toll emotional toll on people i also feel for the little kids that really don't understand what's going on they're just taken away from from their friends and from home and they just want to go back but being 17 at the time i knew exactly what was going to happen if if the outcome would have been different so if you don't mind me asking what was your cancer like what were you dealing with at that time and before st jude became an option for you how long would your treatment gone up for the type of cancer i was diagnosed with at the very beginning and was chondrosarcoma which is another fancy word for saying uh cancer in the tissue but my father he wasn't convinced about that diagnosis and so we flew here to the united states to florida we found a wonderful hospital who with the tissue sample was able to determine that it was osteosarcoma which means it's a cancer in the bones and after i was given that diagnosis is when actually we start shifting and moving and knocking every single door find the treatment and the surgery that i needed to remove that tumorous cancer from my left leg so you mentioned uh earlier on the american republic is that where you were at the time before coming to st jude yeah that's right i grew up i was born and grew up in the dominican republic until i i came here to memphis to receive the treatment at st jude and with your family did your family go with you too yeah yeah so uh my family all my family grew up down there of course i have family here in the washington high i was like well good established dominican family we'll have um but um yeah my family all my direct family all living there in the dominican republic and when i got here to to memphis and jude pay for the plane tickets for my mother my caregiver to stay with me throughout my treatment yeah it's one of the things that whenever i hear these stories the thing that blows me away so much is that st jude really does make it for the entire family to do what they can to give housing to give food to make it that all you and your family have to do is focus on you getting better and being able to take a lot of the typical pressures of life away it's part of what makes st jude so special i think it is indeed because st jude calls it a holistic care of the of the entire family not only treating the cancer but during the person as a whole so they pay so much close attention to to the entire patient and the entire family in the health of the family and that's why the housing facilities that we have here at st jude allow people to to stay up to four family members together in the house because the last thing you want while going through such a catastrophic disease is to separate the family and so send you always tries to help the family and keep it together as much as possible where are you now in your journey with cancer like jumping forward to right now well after being treated and going on remission and relapsing and going on remission finally well i've been cancer free for over six years now so i'm a cancer survivor and i won't forget the words of my doctor my surgeon who who told me on the last relapse it's been two years since the last time cancer was found in your body so i have no doubt that from now on you will not have cancer again and knock on wood because it's been six years since you said that and that's where i am today i finished my degree in computer science at the university of memphis and i'm working now for saint jude raising money what brought you i mean it seems like an obvious question but i'll ask it anyway so what brought you into wanting to work for saint jude well there's two stories one is i initially moved to the united states and i moved to new york and it was cold so i decided to go down to to the south um and so memphis was an obvious choice um but without a doubt the main drive for me to come back to saint judy's the amazing atmosphere because you really grow as a family when you're there you really know everybody and of course you always keep all the relationship with patients and staff very professional but there's no doubt of all the days and months and years that this staff gets to see the patient and the kids grow and the kids coming back and they're her going back and graduating from college getting married hitting milestone after milestone you grow a bond and for me it was the best place that i can come here and work because at some point i was that kid didn't have money to pay for my treatment and i wanted to be there for these other families around the world that don't have the money to pay for treatment but they deserve to leave they deserve to have hope and i wanted to come and provide that you know it's like it's it's quite a far cry from being told there's nothing we can do for you right it is like that's to be from there to here is is quite an incredible incredible jump and how i don't know if you mentioned how long were you a patient at the same shoot for how many years i was a patient for close to two years the first time that i was treated was for 13 months then the second time that i was treated was for about six seven months and then the third time that i was treated it was for about two months so it almost two years but i celebrated four consecutive birthdays while being at st jude so right it was going in going out going back in uh so said you's been i've been around st jude celebrating my birthday since i was 17. yeah so you were into your 20s yes i'm 20 you're still being treated right yeah i was in my 20s and still being treated which again i think is like another important part of like you were a patient so you keep going back again even though you may not be considered like a child at that point right that's right and the reason behind that is because the cancer for after being 20 the cancer that i have after my 20s is the same cancer that i had when i was 18 and so it's a continuation of the treatment that they were providing so you know we're here uh right now trying to raise money and i'm sure that like donations are like a big part of your life right because you work for st jude now you know how important it is can you speak to that a little bit like how important is it to you personally and to like the overall organization when you see people donating like they are for us now what does that mean to you well i'm gonna put it in the words of my father when we came to the united states and he saw the pouring of support that was coming from all over he just sat down with tear in his eyes and said i cannot thank the people the american people enough for the donations that they provide to send you to make it happen and the people from all over the world when i came to work at st jude i'm seeing firsthand where these donations are coming from and because i work creating this technology that helps facilitate these donations i can see sometimes messages that come from people that say i donate this is i'm not making much every month but my donation goes there every single day every single month i'll donate and it makes a tremendous difference like i wouldn't be here if it weren't because of the generosity of the people that donate i wouldn't be here today and it's all because of donations send you wouldn't exist the model that we have is so unique so beautiful it wouldn't exist even if the patients if saint judy's not in your community or the patients in your community are not a century they're totally benefiting from the research that is done in century because everything that we do is shared freely we don't wait to publicize it like in a paper we don't wait to make money off of it we just go publicize it and make it available so every kid around the world the doctors can have access to that knowledge so they can provide the best to them yeah it's an incredible hospital but it's so much more than just a hospital it's like an incredible research institution that people around the world benefit from greatly which is yes it makes what makes it so special yes my girl thank you so much for taking this time to spend with me i'm so inspired by hearing your story and i'm sure many of our viewers will be too and i hope they're inspired enough to donate yes yes please do if it is in the kindness of your heart to donate to this great mission please do and thank you mike for bringing me on and for having me share my story thank you thank you you all right uh mike you're in the balloon it's filling up uh you know how many balloons do we have in bloom right now i'm getting a there's 330 balloons here while i was getting in there was a horrific explosion uh so that's going to happen again shortly but more importantly i can't see you very well right now but i i'm the understanding that something's happened to your face yes i've shaved the connectors out and uh actually already cut myself shaving because it's been a while so it's going well over here that's a strong look you got going on right now my friend also think it's uneven and i haven't invited check it so it's just a real mess over here but uh graphic up shortly graphic because there's more yes there's more to come off uh-huh there is absolutely so at two hundred and fifty thousand dollars actually here pretty close i think that is the uh the goatee i think it's coming up so uh if you want to see my facial hair continue to be removed that is stjude.org slash relay now since you're in the balloon yes two hundred and forty five thousand eight hundred and fifty dollars and 58 cents raised thank you to mitchell david cole tom kerry lynn james that's awesome so many more that's really cool i think i should go over here and do some bouncy balls what do you think i would love to see some bouncy balls right now i'm gonna start kicking okay so i've uh i got some bouncy balls here when i kick when i kick the balloons i get to see the ground and i see like the remains of the exploded balloons dead balloons that's really doesn't look nice that's really depressing so we have some clear ones and some neon ones gonna put them both in here and uh i really got to catch up here so let's do a big a big handful here catch up oh that one's gone now i was just about to ask how many of you gonna drop and there we go i don't know a lot of them probably uh it's 900 bouncy balls are gonna fill this thing up we're just gonna get caught up here thankfully i have to tell you steven it was incredibly ungraceful for me to get in the uh bloom oh i'm sorry i missed that no you did no one on the stream saw it but uh adina is pressing very strongly that at some point i have to show what it is like for me to enter and exit the bloom uh but i think we need to fill it up more before i give people uh yeah of that yeah it's almost slapstick movie-esque uh oh there's another one it's gone forever uh yeah i think there's a there's a point in which you enter the bloom balloon room and you may not come back and that would be a sad day for everybody it's fine but i'll be happy though you know i'll be surrounded by balloons look at this beautiful color yeah how can you go wrong with that yeah he died in a room full of uh colorful balloons it's gonna be great the way he lived the way he lived uh so mike what's uh what's up next on our schedule oh casey lis everyone's favorite uh asterisk is gonna be joining us yeah it's gonna be awesome uh so i think we're gonna uh roll a little video and then you'll be joined by uh the internet's casey i don't know casey's middle name casey middle name lis yeah it's a family name i really really look forward to you know playing video games with zach carson is nice and kind and he loves video games and we both really like video games so i knew he'd be a friend from the moment i first saw him i love him it's a button sequence that you have to do you got to do the left stick up twice and then press what one was it being up at the same time b and up at the same time i call him sometimes when he's in his transplant and he would you know kept remembering when i'd have my amputation we always like play with each other and we talk about the good things and encourage each other to do good at our appointments and we make jokes yeah there was this one time when me and zach were gonna go to the zoo but i didn't feel good enough to be able to go so we just played video games after when i was better pretty much get together and just play games and have fun and don't really think about the other stuff i may ask if your appointments went well today or if you were feeling good but we focus on our friendship and just make that like our main goal and just don't worry about all the pain and stuff like that i don't have to take pain medicine as much and they help distract me and it's helped a lot cancer has come back a few times now it's gone again so i'm gonna go home soon we're gonna you know play online and facetime each other so we can talk and see each other even from far away uh-oh wrong button wrong button oh you're gonna get to see it dad oh man i just want to say that st dude is a great place and they've given me my life back all the treatments and surgeries and everything else i think it's great at no matter what people always help us kids at st jude good game welcome back everybody don't forget go to st jude.org relay i know that many of you have been going to st jude.org relay and have been blessed with many asterisks because of my friend mr casey liss welcome to the podcast of casey liss hey buddy how's it going very good i'm even better talking to you thank you so much for taking the time today to join us today yeah it's the pleasure is all mine uh you know i i gotta say that i really didn't plan on the star being such a popular uh portion of the name when i was trying frantically to donate while you and i recorded analog but here we are and i'm just going to claim that it was deliberate and i meant for the whole time it's been happening constantly so i would like to thank the asterisk nation uh which we'll now call casey liss fans the asterisk nation uh for their donations so don't forget to donate you can go to st jude.org relay and that's where you can donate right now to help support the work of st jude casey liss i'm sure you're very excited to know but as it stands right now we're at 247 247 528 we are closing in on a cool quarter of a million in our attempt to get to 315 000 so thank you so much to everybody that has done that now casey mm-hmm i would like to talk to you today about the apple watch if you would okay please uh i am ready funny last year's podcastathon uh we timed the podcastathon to coincide of what we believed was going to be uh iphone time and it was when we were initially planning this year's we timed it to be what we thought could be iphone time as time moved on we were like oh no there's not going to be any iphone but then apple blessed us uh this week with an apple event so it gives us some stuff to talk about so i want to uh i want to talk to you about the apple watch specifically and i think you are someone that i know that that wears an apple watch a lot but has had uh like a shaky past with it over the recent years uh what is your usage like these days typically for the apple watch yeah um for the apple watch i have it on pretty much anytime i'm awake and i really really do like the device i use it oh i like to tell myself anyway that i use it ever more for exercise tracking and things of that nature uh but it's just nice to have something that silently taps you on the wrist if you get a text message or if your dear friend mike is sending you a dm on slack or something like that it's nice to have you know i haven't had a a portable device make a note like an iphone or a watch it none of them have beeped at me in what five six years since whenever i got my first apple watch and i and i like it that way i like it when it's all silent and so i really do like the apple watch occasionally it can pose some problems but for the most part i i really like it now you mentioned about like slack dms and stuff like that do you are you like a very frequent notification manager on your apple watch no i cranked it to what i i cranked it back to what i thought was a reasonable level i don't know two three years ago at least and at that point i feel like it became kind of stagnant and so as an example i don't have general slack notifications on but i do have them on for like the couple of channels that we're in together that relate to analog i have them on for dms um i have them on for i think one or two other channels just to pick on slack particularly and i feel like that's a nice happy medium now that's a super fiddly way to do it because you have to like go in preferably on the desktop in slack and like say yes i want notifications for this and not for that and so on and so forth um but i i do think one can reach a happy medium when you talk about how you used to use the apple watch and perhaps still do with it on do not disturb that that is a very surprising approach and i'm not saying it's wrong but that's very much not the way i use mine at all i like to have those silent notifications on my wrist even though you could probably make a good argument that i should crank them back even more still yeah you see i think one of the main reasons though that i don't do the notifications when i do whereas if you don't wear one every day all of a sudden your wrist starting to buzz become quite a distracting thing if you're not used to that happening right yep so yeah you know it's but it's the thing i i'm fine with it i'm fine with it being a basic activity tracker um i'm fine with like just customizing the watch faces where i can that kind of stuff where you can your uh yeah exactly i mean watch our sevens brought some interesting options i'm not sure how much i actually like them um because well because okay so i sat down today to look at the new typography face right so it's the one with the big numbers and the colors what i wanted to do was say i want the background this color and the numbers this color you can't do that you could only pick from the pre-approved pairings that apple has ordained upon you that you can set your watch to it's like that frustration that i have uh with the watch faces but um in the past i know that you have had an issue with battery life how has that been holding up with your uh series five uh it's been okay um i tend to because of my particular personal schedule i tend to charge it like top up the watch for about half an hour in the middle of the day which i started doing just because it so happened that i would have an occasion to do it um but now i think i've trained the battery to have that top up in the middle of the day so on the occasions when i don't top it up in the middle of the day what ends up happening is at like four in the afternoon it'll start saying whoa whoa whoa i've only got 10 i've only got 10 what did you do something fix it so what time is you starting from a sleep tracking no but it's charged 100 at seven in the morning and at seven in the morning it goes on my wrist pretty much every single day because kids and if i don't top it up in the middle of the day it will get angry at about four in the afternoon but the thing is i'll instead of doing like the power reserve dance i'll just be like no you're fine and then it'll go for like another two or three hours so like i said i think i might have trained the battery poorly such that it thinks that it's dead even though it isn't and so one of the ways i'm in the midst of convincing myself to get a new watch is because i think perhaps starting over with a new battery would be helpful it also doesn't help that this is the little guy it's the uh 40 millimeter not the uh not the big fancy uh 44 or whatever it is so and and it's cellular so it's a lot of ways for which the battery life could get real ugly real quick are you sticking with the small size i think so i have this little baby wrist i have this little td it actually doesn't look that bad on camera now but i feel like i have this little baby rest with this baby wrist it's like you don't have a small wrist i don't know i just don't know what it is you think you've got going on over there i don't know i i feel like i've had i have put a 44 on in the past and it just felt like it was just too darn big and maybe if i were to try it again you know if i could go to the apple store if i could go to the apple store maybe i would convince myself that a 44 wouldn't be so bad but i don't know i still feel you can be happy with having the smaller watch just because that's the watch you want i don't think it's because you have a small wrist right like well in a perfect world i'd rather have the big one because that way i would have better battery life and and perhaps some of these woes would go away all of the bands i bought when i was a 42 millimeter where i could bring those back and use them again because i basically i didn't literally throw them out but i had to figuratively throw them out when i moved down a size so there's a lot of reasons to go big again uh but nevertheless i feel like it's just overpowering on my wrist and i don't know maybe i'm kooky but that's the way it feels well have you ordered a new watch i haven't uh and so in typical casey fashion i'm very much waffling about everything not the least of which is our mutual friend underscore david smith has sent a couple of pictures of that new blue one i forget the actual apple name for like midnight blue or something like that and it looks blue isn't it uh maybe maybe but whatever it is it's uh it's really really nice looking and i am a sucker for a blue device you know and i have this um my iphone 11 is the i don't know how well that shows up but it's the green one and and i really like this green it's a very muted not that strong green which i dig and if you'll permit me just a very quick tangent i will always remember the first uh podcastathon because that was the time we had gone to like the state fair and i'd come back and was washing aaron's car and i couldn't get my airpods to work and i wanted to listen to what you guys were doing since i'd missed the first couple hours and like a buffoon i just cranked the speaker way up and stuck the phone in my back pocket but but my wife aaron she drives a very tall car and i went and i jumped up to get like the roof of the car and all of a sudden i heard a crash behind me and it turned out that within the span of about 12 hours i had shattered the back glass on my new phone and it's it remained that way for a couple months until i had the chance to fix it so for many reasons mostly that you guys did such an incredible job raising a bunch of money for a wonderful organization saintju.org relay ahem ahem uh but also because of me shattering my phone i will always remember the first podcastathon yeah that was um not like funny haha well kind of a little bit but like no you know it was a funny turn of events i have checked it's just called blue what was it really okay it's called blue aluminium that's the that's the color it's just blue um so you haven't ordered you now are intrigued that blue was that your initial thought you're thinking series six though right correct thinking series six i was going to stick with the uh the silver whatever the default is because i had for my series zero i had the space gray space black whatever they called at the time which i loved but i felt like if i ever put any other kind of band with it other than black it looked a little bit funky to my eye and i'm a little worried with the blue that i'll suffer the same consequence because i am not as loud when it comes to colors as you are you you can add a lot to to the black and it's fine um but blue i think you are the same with red very constrained now as to what will work and what won't work with that i think apple does actually have a lot of options there exactly so that's why i'm thinking i'll probably go back to just well or continue with just silver um but we'll see what happens i i am a sucker i mean like i said i'm i was a sucker for this this midnight green or whatever it is and that blue looks like a blue equivalent and i prefer blue in a general sense i prefer blue over green quite a bit so i don't know if i'll be able to hold strong or not but we'll see what happens it's very possible they will have a blue iphone i mean that's the rumor and it makes sense now but i wonder how how close the blues that's what i wonder because yeah the ipad is a completely different blue oh yeah to the blue apple watch absolutely it's much brighter color as well because why not you know was it graphite that one i believe that's right and i haven't looked closely at the pictures but i read gruber's review about it and he had very very positive things to say so yeah look i have been quite busy today so i've not had the chance to read that i couldn't say but i was i heard him talk about it on dithering and so i am looking forward to reading a review of a color and so it's like a very john gruber thing that he can pull out a thousand word review on a color but i am genuinely very excited to read that so you think in blue maybe maybe are you intrigued about those new loop bands the solo loop bands i am i don't have the print out in front of me i don't believe i think i left it downstairs but i've tried it a couple of times and i think i'm a size seven lucky number seven um and and hearing hearing gruber's review it makes me wonder like should i flex to be a little bigger should i flex to be a little smaller i have to reread it and re and i've seen kind of renegotiate with myself tweet i've seen videos too and everyone seems to say like it's not easy to do this but really what you want is the size you size one size and the size up um and then return the one you don't want which is not great right but like it yeah this is a peculiar product to have released um right now because you know i've seen some people say like why don't apple just give a conversion chart like if you're on this point on a sport band that would wait but i don't think that that will do it still because that that how easy is it going to get on get off like this is a completely different type of product and i have felt this i don't know if you found the same like different sport bands they feel different anyway the different colors and stuff like that like that feels like there's chemical changes in them and it changes the rigidity of them and stuff so i don't know i don't know i i understand you know this is the product that they've made what are they going to do but it feels like a weird time because this is very clearly a band you should be trying on way more than the others yeah you're absolutely right i do think i am going to go for the sport loop though because i have a handful of you know the the whatever the sport bands are and i feel like why not try it and yeah because you get the one right so you may as well just go for the new one right because you have a bunch that you can you can try out otherwise if you want to what are you thinking about the apple watch se by the way my my kind of feeling on it i don't know if you'd heard connected uh i think it's too expensive for what it's supposed to be not what they've given but what i think that product should be i think it's at 279 i think that's too expensive what do you think i agree with you i did hear connected and it was very good as usual um i think it is a little bit more expensive than i would like but i i can understand it i do think it is a pretty good balance for like the trade-offs that they made i think were reasonable to get rid of the always on display is unfortunate but i can understand why they did it to get rid of the ekg or ecg whatever it's called and the uh blood oxygen again i can understand it it makes sense i do like it a lot in principle especially for the purposes that they're very strongly pitching them for so for children for um older relatives or just people who may not have an iphone but would still like to have an apple watch i think it is a good fit but i do echo what you're saying mike that i do think it is a little bit more expensive than i'd like to see and certainly even though i don't write any watch apps as a developer i know what it's like to have to deal with something that's very old and has a different screen size and everything else and to keep the series 3 around i understand why they did it but it's a real bummer because it would have made a lot of things for developers anyway considerably easier if they had gotten rid of it yeah it's like for 279 that is a fantastic apple watch yep but in the idea of like this is the apple watch se it kind of feels like it should be the only other apple watch and it you know i would have liked to have seen it get closer to 200 because for that same reason like i do find it kind of peculiar to say like the watch that you're supposed to buy for a kid who doesn't have a phone which i think is a narrow age range right which is pretty young and that thing costs 280 dollars yeah i don't know man but i'm not a parent like federico was making this point and i agree with him if i was a parent like he was saying this and i'm sure and i agree if i was a parent yeah i'll probably do it right like because it the peace of mind that you get um i would be more grumbly about it and do it than if it if they were able to bring that to like 210 i would be like yeah no problem like it's it's about 200 dollars then but with 279 you're a stone's throw from 300 at that point yep absolutely it's it's too it's weird too i've been thinking so you know my oldest is not even six but i've been thinking you know if he was 10 for the sake of discussion would i be interested in getting something like this for him and on the one side as someone who really really likes to have information like and that sounds i don't know kind of stalkery i don't mean it that way but like i would like to know where he is during the day in the scenario where he could actually leave the house but be that as it may you know i'd like to know where he is i'd like to know if he's arrived safely where he was supposed to be and so on but on the flip side of the coin even though i was a pretty straight shooter like when i was in high school for example like part of being a kid is is getting one you know getting one across on your parents and getting away with stuff and i i both like exactly half of me thinks yeah i want to do that for deckland i want to have him in a position where i know where he is all the time and i don't have to worry on the flip side though like part of being a parent i think is worrying and part of being a kid is absolutely making your parents worry like i did that to my parents and i was about as easy as they come so i i don't want to rob him of that either so remind me of this in a few years when he's like still too young for it and yet he still has one on his wrist but sitting here now i'm i'm not sure what way what way we would go the idea of a kid being able to pull one over on the parents is still going to exist because ultimately these children will understand the technology better than you and i'm sure products still have airplane mode on them or something i mean i don't know about i haven't looked into it maybe there is a way to turn those kinds of features off but like they could also just take off the watch right like look it's gonna work it out right like if they need if they want to go run down a street with their friends like they're gonna do that but for the peace of mind where in a more typical situation it's better than none of it right which is why like i do think that this idea is a good idea from apple and i hope they continue it i'm sure they will and in a couple of years time that i think that the price uh the value proposition of the kids watch will come down and it will i think will probably make a little bit more sense um so yeah um i wanted to ask one last thing before i let you go today about the sd line so but looking at where it is now i know that you are a budget conscious individual right i know that you love to save money where you can because you're responsible like that unlike me something like that the se line need to have from the series line as a base for you to consider that over the series 7 say what would apple need to add to the apple watch se 2 to make you think of that one rather than the next series line that's a really good question i think especially having had a series 5 now i think it always on displays table table stakes now it's kind of funny that in the one breath i'm complaining and moaning about the battery life of my series 5 and then saying i can't live without uh the always on screen but i'm hoping that if and when i pull if and when i go ahead and get a series 6 that that the battery life will be a lot better not the least of which because it would be a new battery but also you know the s6 is supposed to be considerably more efficient and because of all that i think the always on display will be even even more reliable for lack of a better word and i think for an se2 i would absolutely want to see the always on display like i can understand the ecg not being there i can understand the pulse oximetry not being there but i absolutely without a shadow of a doubt must at this point have an always on display because i've been happily ruined by it and additionally i think having cellular i don't use the cellular features on my watch that often but just earlier today i went for a run with just my airpods and watch and it is such a refreshing thing not to have to carry your phone or stick it in a pocket and this is you know the first worldiest of first world problems but nevertheless it's very nice and that's kind of why these products exist is just is to delight us in these silly ways and so i think cellular which it does have and always on display which it doesn't have is are what i would consider the bare minimum yeah because i guess for you to to do what you want on an apple watch that's the most important i would like to see the sc2 personally get at least an ecg function or something like they should be adding in more of the health sensors purely because apple talks so this is kind of interesting to me actually apple talks so strongly and positions so much of their marketing around the apple watch save my life basically yeah and so i'm not sure if the apple watch se right now is the product you would buy for your parent right you would want them to have all of the sensors that this one currently does not have um i mean i know it's got it's got uh some of the hard stuff but you know i know i would want if i was buying one of these for my mom because i want to make sure that my mom is doing good i would want her to have all the sensors possible right so you know and they definitely i think apple's aware of that i think which is why the marketing for the family stuff while they say you can buy it for anyone they really have been focusing very clearly on children um for the marketing campaign casey lis we have hit 250 000 dollars well nice that you've been i didn't even see that's excellent everyone again it's just the the asterisk nation they're back here for you we're at 250 000 800 oh 251 000 and 93 dollars 393 dollars and 77 cents that money just keeps ticking on up there st jude.org relay casey i want to thank you um so much for the the not just for being here but for how um passionately you talk about the campaigns on atp it really means a lot to me and steven um that all of you uh promote the campaign to the level that you do you john and marco but you know i would just like to extend a special thank you to you because you really do drive that on the show and do such a great job um of of getting the asterisk nation to to come out and support you i think we should change the a in in uh atp to asterisk but we can yeah that that's what it is the asterisk tech podcast uh yeah no it is the it is absolutely our pleasure it's the least we can do uh for the incredible incredible and selfless work that that saint jude does and you know i'd been aware of saint jude before i had met you and especially steven but i did not realize how incredibly amazing and special an organization it is until i got to know it through you guys through these podcast athons which you've done such an incredible job with and so if if if it takes a few minutes out of my silly little you know nerd show to to push a few dollars to saint jude that's the least we can do and so yes please everyone who is listening if you haven't yet saintju.org slash relay it would mean a lot to to everyone that's been on the program and everyone coming on the program uh now is a great time to do it and if you want to troll me and throw some asterisks or appersands in there the more the merrier i'm all for it as i don't even think it's trolling at this point i think people are united with you casey thank you so much for joining us this evening it's been an absolute pleasure having you here thank you very much guys we'll see you soon i think we're going to be joined by a very different looking steven hackett here in just a second uh because we're gonna we're gonna do some donation updates i've been told by our wonderful producers our eyes in the sky that uh i need to have some bean boozled uh back in my life again so that's that's gonna happen i guess while i'm waiting for for goatee hackett to come back i can spin the wheel hi steven past that so i'm gonna go do it in the next break but uh what are we up to now we're at 250 so i gotta go down to the goatee i'm getting ready to go do that i can't believe that we need to i don't know what are we gonna do we have to shave off your eyebrows what do you think mary would think about that i think she would make me sleep at the studio all right should i spin that shall i spin the wheel let's do it what'd you get birthday cake or dirty dish water oh i have a lot of questions about how these are engineered like did someone have to figure out how to make it ready all right pretty good oh i'm gonna have a couple more i guess you got birthday cake wait that's not what you got is it are you okay come on you look a little a little ill i want to take another one in the hopes that i will yeah wash it you got to wash it down keep going my god okay what's up what'd you get toasted marshmallow or stink bug all right let's um let's do it you ready yep yeah is that a smoothie toasted marshmallow it's good which is my legitimate favorite flavor of jelly beans is it so i'm gonna put one on my head for the time being we'll come back wow okay what i also have here by the way is warheads oh nice so why don't you uh why don't you do one of those okay and uh we'll do a quick ballroom update and then we'll move on to our next segment how about that all right uh and while mike is doing that let you guys know we have uh made it to the milestone of the finger monster typing test so if you look on my desk here i got some of these you know the little uh finger monster uh little little people this one is bright green which is very exciting there we go coming in look at that i can't get it out of the package that's fine so we're gonna do these uh sometime next week we are going to do a typing test wearing these on our fingers so we're gonna do i guess we'll do a before and after and compare our times so keep an eye out for that we'll announce it on twitter when that will be i'm gonna put him back over here now yeah i don't think the warheads happening my friend it like this you can't open it it won't come out look good it's open it won't i can't get it out like the packaging is stuck to the candy do you need a dina to help you maybe maybe i'm just gonna get rid of that one okay why don't you try again and i'm gonna put uh some more bouncy balls in real quick before we go to our next segment what is our next segment today up next we have a another stop on our virtual tour and then in a little while we're going to be joined by uh david sparks to talk about some shortcut stuff yeah these these uh these warheads are they good you think i could throw these and get them in the that's probably a bad idea right that's that's not gonna happen that is that opening is way too small yeah i've put the bucket up here because i was tired of bending over uh i'm gonna put these in here see how high i can get what get it in oh no it's gone forever all right i'm gonna get a bunch in i'm sure like the safety people here like why are there toys all over our floor oh no such a gross taste in my mouth so did you get any candy open or are you still uh struggling with they're all literally melted to the packaging it's you i can't get the packaging off the candy it's the spiciness of the warhead right like melted the plastic i guess used it used it all right so uh i'm super excited to show more of the virtual tour uh to share with you all some more about uh enrique and his family's story as well as our own and uh after that we'll be back with some more update stuff and then uh david sparks here in a little while how does that sound yeah i'll be in the balloon so if you haven't seen me in the balloon room yet once we come back from this video i'll be there and then we'll uh i'll let you and david do a mini mac panel users sounds good to me hey steven welcome back so here we are at the registration desk by triage uh and like i said before we get into the rest of the tour this is just kind of where um the day starts out for all the families this is just kind of what kicks off everything you get your schedule you go into assessment triage glad you get your blood draws and figure out what your day is going to look like that day um and then you start heading into your clinics and into your uh what would be a typical waiting area um at another hospital right they have the best treasure chest in triage they do ariana used to love uh digging right digging for toys in that treasure chest um so here we are in the c clinic uh you know in the c clinic is you know all the clinics are broken up by um by diagnosis or by specialty treatment if you will so we have our a clinic which is your leukemias and then you have b clinic which is your bone marrow transplant c clinic where we're standing right now is your uh specialty clinics so again thinking about everything that saved you thinks about um and how they think of everything when you're going to treatment c clinic is your specialty clinics clinic where you have an ophthalmologist you have a dentist uh you know we have some teenage female patients so you have your pain and here you have your pain management here and your koala team is here uh your quality of life care um so you know ariana used to have a couple appointments here and there we have a friend that is a dentist and uh he would never he would always talk about how he would never look at ariana's teeth if uh if given that opportunity just because he knew that she had side effects that he maybe had never dealt with before with her being on uh chemotherapy and things like that so st jude ensures that we have a dentist here on staff to make sure that they know what they're looking for and like i said when we were outside like just look at this room for a second like really look at it every almost every corner of st jude where patients spend time looks like this is bright it's painted a lot of a lot of these paintings by local artists it is such a fun place to be i mean if this clinic lobby were busy right now there'd be kids playing together very often to volunteer doing arts and crafts with people uh there's some arcade computers back there which uh i know that josiah was always a fan is always a fan of when we're uh near c clinic he wants to go play a game so it's it's a fun place to be it's not your typical waiting room yeah on the other side of where this little house is on the table that's all toys and i mean you've got a plethora of things to do those cabinets host hold all the art supplies there's a kitchen there and uh you know this this room which i learned recently uh was you know it says it up there up front that it was donated by uh katie couric uh but you know if you're standing in here it's supposed to mimic like you're standing in the middle of central park uh where you're surrounded by the buildings and you know that's because katie kirk's on the today show out of new york city uh so that's just kind of what they're trying to bring to the patient families while they're here yeah even got clouds going by in the ceiling as if you're looking up in the sky yeah and then you know on the other side of the arcades that you pointed out over there uh is where our h clinic is um you know an h clinic actually stands for hematology clinic so that's where your blood disorders are treated uh so one of the one of the main things that uh saint jude also treats that a lot of people don't know is sickle cell uh sickle cell is uh actually with sickle cell um was one of the first grants that we actually got to treat sickle cell um here at saint jude so it's some it's a program that we're very proud of uh you know in the 80s we were the first hospital to cure sickle cell uh which actually uh just like in in any medical world happened by accident as they were treating the patient for leukemia and did a transplant and found out that they they cured her sickle cell which was something that uh was not expected uh to happen uh so here we are standing in in the h clinic area and right here off to the right what you can't see is uh the the chapel uh there's two chapels on campus uh but typically if you tell saint jude family like if i were to tell you mary today hey mary meet me at the chapel she would come to this chapel this is the what's in fact the working chapel where you would meet uh the four or five chaplains that we have on staff so one of the things that saint jude does is that our our goal is to keep the patients outpatient and let them be kids we don't like keeping kids impatient unless they absolutely have to be here for like a bone marrow transplant or if they're sick and one of the ways that we can manage that is through the medicine room so if you have an appointment uh you need chemo for the day for an hour or two you would just come and sit in one of these chairs that are right here or if you see those rooms with numbers those are quick little rooms with beds and tvs uh that kind of mimic a inpatient stay but it's a quick uh you know hourly stay if you will you would come in for a couple hours get your chemo or get your transplant and then you'd be right back on your way home if you're a local family like the hackett's are or you know you would go right back to your housing facility which would be you know tried out to ronald mcdonald or um the target house it also acts as our er um i've had to use it as the er on occasion for things that i have done um to ana um but uh how they were going to mention our our mistakes oh yeah i was not they do have people who save them when you have not done your job properly um but this is active this acts as their er and i just i love that i always knew you know i could call ahead we're on our way there this is you know this happened and there was always familiar faces it wasn't like going to a normal er or a regular where you didn't know who was working there or you didn't you know you didn't know anyone in there these are all of our same doctors our same nurses and so that was really comforting one thing that is that is really neat about the way st jude works is those clinics in the medicine room really work together and so we spent our time in e-clinic uh with uh our brain tumor kids and being able to go from the clinic environment seeing our oncologists you know seeing the nurse practitioners people we normally saw if we needed the medicine room after hours or on the weekend or something there was lots of communication back and forth very often our doctor would be in the medicine room uh to see us and so it's a very fluid environment as things change and as needs change then we can uh we can know confidently that everyone's on the same page and that's something that is really great not to have to worry about when you walk in the hospital and you have something you already have something on your mind knowing that the team that you see in the clinic and the team you see in the medicine room are so well synced to something really special yeah and you know um leticia you mentioned how well they know our kids like i know i don't know her name but i know that that nurse who's pictured taking care of this little baby she took care of josiah i remember her face i remember her haircut and i know we sat in that chair and um unfortunately whenever we got chemo we did have to be impatient for josiah to get those drugs but um we would come to the med room to receive blood trans not blood transfusion there we go to get um platelets and whole blood transfused because um just as a side effect of chemo and we sat in that very chair one of the things with you know chemo being delivered here in the in the medicine room one of the things that does happen a lot because kids are receiving chemo here and not all patients are inpatient when they get their chemo is a no more chemo party which we actually have footage of so here we have a no more chemo party uh which is you know the finish line for a lot of families uh once they finish complete treatment um you know so what you're looking forward for too the whole time that's their whole medical team nurses or doctors who've walked the whole thing with them and we even got a little sign for you you can read mama one two three our patients have the cutest smileys our patients have the sweetest h-e-a-r-t's oh we love to see you every day but now's the time we get to say back up your back get out the door you don't get chemo anymore so looking at that footage i mean you can see the overwhelming sense of joy on the mom's face um you know to know that her two-year-old son miguelito there uh his name's mikey uh i've had the privilege of working with that family a couple of times and you know just to see her the smile on her face and the sense of relief of knowing that her son's done with treatment um what what did that feel like for you guys uh steven and mary does that bring back memories to y'all it does i remember the shirt he was wearing when they came into our room inpatient in this little like little button-up hawaiian man shirt he was just so fluffy as a baby and he got he was terrified he did not enjoy his memo chemo party but we did it meant a lot to us we i was so extra of course and everyone dressed like a princess and i made we made like um rice crispy tiaras and magic wands and like all of these things everyone wore crowns it was one of the happiest moments um just to know that we made it we did it so with that i'll uh kick it back over to steven and uh as he carries on on this podcastathon there mike i'm in bloom my friend and you're in here with me well it made it feels like it let's uh let's see a little dance or something wow i'm genuinely jealous that i can't play in that look at that right that's really good now we have 400 and you know 400 and what 405 balloons wow in bloom with me that's really awesome man it looks so good but you know what that means though steven the reason we have all these balloons just because we've had so many incredible donations from the relay fm community just during the podcastathon this evening what are we at right now we are currently at 255 thousand dollars raised for saint jude so we have crossed a quarter of a million dollars this year which is simply amazing you all have been absolutely behind this 100 and it's been really cool to watch this come in today how's your face it's good i just have a goatee so i'm like the evil version of me take a look can't have a look so kind of evil version you know that's uh pretty strong right like that uh you don't like it actually yeah sure you look great no no no no you look great i will i will say there's more gray in it than there was at last year's podcastathon that's very upsetting but it is what it is you know it's uh 2020 so uh let's maybe update people a little bit on kind of where we are as far as our goals and milestones so i'm down to a goatee uh the next step would be well i think we're calling the biker stash or basically this part goes away and it's just like a really yeah it's really upsetting uh so that is coming up uh at 270 000 we've increased the bean boozled amount as well because like i'm sorry we're getting too many donations so we've raised it to a thousand dollars now man i still have some to go don't worry so there's still a few in the bank i'm gonna eat them at some point in the not too distant future you're you're chickening out on this i think i'm just gonna have a handful now i'm just gonna have like six or seven i'm sick of this all right like i i'm this is it now steven's eating blueberries right i'm eating these bean boozled because because steven steven played the card of i have allergies so i had to eat all the disgusting jellybeans he's eating blueberries over there so fantastic yeah i'm sure so i will continue to eat those horrifically gross jellybeans yeah so tell a little story so in between the break okay i thought go over and say to idina she's doing a fantastic job she's in charge of everything she's running the social media for relay fm right now so i thought i would approach her and give her a little kiss and she just looked at me a second and she was like it's okay because she was waiting to see you smell like dog food did i smell because the dog food apparently filled the studio so you know i just want everyone to know these are the sacrifices that i am making for your donations yeah that's really awesome uh it's been really exciting to show the virtual tour uh that came about uh at all sac as a way to bring people into st jude into the hospital and it's it's a nice example of like all the technical like people here you know we think about doctors and nurses but sort of on this side of things there's lots of people uh here helping me today helping us put this together but there's designers and artists and all these people at st jude developers who put all this content together and the vr tour is a really cool example of that where we could talk and go around to different rooms and and show different things uh which is uh really pretty neat and hopefully you're getting a little bit of a taste of what it's like here and that is really what it's like if i walked over there now those lobbies and everything look just like that it really is a colorful exciting happy place to be you know you think about a hospital waiting room it's not like the best image that comes to mind st jude has totally shattered that and now if i'm like at a regular doctor's office or someplace i'm like why why are these walls so boring like where where's the painting where are the toys you know where are the giant mirrors because st jude has a lot of that here for the kids yeah i've had the pleasure of um actually having a couple of tours at st jude now and completely agree of everything you're saying and hopefully everything that uh the relay fm community is seeing right now and these wonderful videos that you put together it really does not look like what you would expect i have seen so much of st jude and none of it looks like a typical hospital and that also actually comes down to the people there right like that there is a level of encouragement and warmth that you find in everybody on the st jude campus uh that kind of defies the belief that you have when you when you think about what should a hospital that deals with childhood cancer be like but there is an encouragement a warmth and an optimism in the people inside yeah so i got a couple names to shout out here as they go by uh big thanks to brad and foreign and tyler uh matt moose i think we have a moose donating that's very exciting that's very impressive how do moose type like don't they have um they don't have claws what is it called hooves yes thank you uh they have claws they just use the antlers right yeah just headbutt mike we have a little challenge for you okay we have some city names uh they're in our our secret chat here that we would like you to pronounce i need a device which has been handed to me by my wonderful production team here all right so where are we looking here okay so some cities uh all right so some of these i do know i think well actually no as the first one i thought i knew it but now i'm not sure is it spokane i think it's spokane spokane why am i asking you i don't think you're no use uh laurel all right so the next one okay so the next one is the word antelope but i know it's not that easy i bet it's like entelope or something i think it's probably just antelope you don't know do you um there's jiripa valley hagerstown or issaquah issaquah yeah is that it definitely again you don't know uh i want you to read the uk names that are in this list please okay uh there's hempstead no no just two words oh oh the other one in there okay uh himmel hempstead close hemel hemel hemel hempstead i made it fancier see i make this error when talking about things in your country i make them fancier because in my mind great britain's a very fancy place sure uh saint joseph pretty easy that's easy um uh slough oh you did it yeah that was very impressive actually you know how i know that how do you know that the street that dunder mifflin is on in the office is slough street named after as an honor of the british office that's how i know because that's shot in slough yeah i did wonder if you were going to get that i actually didn't know that it was slough street but i figured that being an office fan like yourself that's right now would come up have you seen the british office yeah i really like it it's good okay good i don't so um so you're in the the balloon is it getting staticky in there is it hot in there give us a sense put us in your shoes mike it is weirdly hot like it's really warm in here maybe some blueberries would help blueberries yeah just send them over uh it's not staticky like nothing's sticking to me i don't know why uh well not yet i'm sure you know there's still time but it is it is kind of warm in here i mean it might be that it's like an enclosed structure i don't know i don't know why balloons filled with air would make things more warm maybe it's just a lot of mass in a space but we have some nerds in the audience i'm sure who can explain to me why it would be warm but uh yeah it's warm and i'm giving you a taste here um it's good so you can get an idea for yourself yeah maybe give us a little bit of a uh an audio experience we're a podcasting company maybe uh stick the microphone in there yeah let's hear the balloons how was that good oh i feel like i'm there that's what it's like for me right now that's so nice i have this wild cable that i can't see that i'm sure at some point is going to trip me up quite badly but so far we've gone through so i wanted to say continue to give at saintju.org relay this thing is filling up but as i say i want to be around my waist by the end of the evening surely that's possible 400 balloons are filling bloom right now we're going to inflate some more because i believe that you you're going to be talking to david sparks next so me and adina are going to go away we're going to fill some balloons i think i'm going to bring some big ones as well as some of the small ones i don't know if you can see stephen but some of them are very large yes oh yes give me a big one see that oh look at that it's a nice easterly green just for you oh golly it came right if there was delay in the stream that looked really silly there was there was a bit of delay there was let's go with it so uh so we're gonna let you go mike yep and um i'm gonna be joined by my co-host on mac power users mr david sparks and i think he has a little presentation for us cool all right so we're gonna we'll get david in here and we'll uh we'll do this so we've got uh we're coming up on 258 000 which is really awesome uh we're inching towards more facial hair coming off of me which is just um where i am in my life now i'm just a guy who loses his facial hair on the internet so um yeah so we'll be joined by david and uh he has put a presentation together for us because that's what david sparks does when you ask him hey just just come by and chat and he said that's fine here's a keynote file that's 300 megabytes and so we're going to play that as well um and while we wait for david maybe i'll read out some more names here we've got joshua uh the b and loom asterisk thank you very much for your donation i don't know that your given name but i'm not here to judge um grant thank you so much eric allen parker a premier upgrading that's very fancy uh the culver family thank you all so much it means the world to us that you're on board with this great mission you know saint jude is a hospitalist here so we're in my hometown like i was born and grew up 20 minutes from here i live 15 minutes from here um it's always been in my backyard and it's really cool and it's honestly sort of very convenient if you need it as a patient family but what's really neat about saint jude is the research and the the treatments that they come up with they put into the world they do just that they share them around the world and so there are children far beyond memphis far beyond america who have had their lives saved because of the work of the men and women here at saint jude as you walk into the building that we're in now kind of that direction uh there are two um two buildings one is a research tower that mike and i got to visit last year and then a new one and it's still not enough room for all these scientists all these labs doing all of this work and we're going to talk a little bit more about that as we go on but i got to tell you like talking to someone who is working on genetics or working on different types of treatment uh you realize very quickly how little you know as an individual and how smart these people are and that's what makes saint jude so successful that the best minds in these fields are here in memphis working on this and as someone who grew up here i sort of understood that but definitely not something that i really understood deeply and now uh through our experience with our son we've been able to see the fruits of that and you know it's it's amazing because these people are heroes right people who are working in labs people who are working with really fancy equipment with lasers and microscopes all this stuff to me they are heroes and uh every one i've of them that i've met i think all of them would argue with me that they're not but they 100 are because again these treatments get shared they're helping kids who come to memphis but they're also helping people all around the world one part of that though is like the travel component so if you are saint jude patient and you you don't live in memphis and we were fortunate that we were just down the street but saint jude takes care of travel so if you live far away and you've got to fly into memphis which by the way is not an easy thing to do because the airport is really small and not very useful it is amazing saint jude brings people in and out of memphis uh there's there is housing available for those families and it's it's your uh it's amazing housing too you're not like you're not split up you're not in some like dormitory for sick people but you're set up with a really nice space again saint jude wants parents and family members to be able to focus on their patient focus on their kid focus on their family and one way they do that is to take away those other burdens and uh one of my favorite things and i've told this story before is being in the memphis airport and um i have a saint jude pin on my backpack and it's amazing how many times i'm stopped not just in memphis but in other airports as well of people asking me about it and sharing their stories and how often it is that someone is coming here for a scan or for treatment or going home after treatment or going home after a checkup and this all this back and forth is just taken care of for them that is a gracious gift on the part of saint jude and i think it's something that is really unique you know if you think about oh i'm gonna go to this hospital in a faraway city that i've never never seen i gotta figure out how to get there i gotta figure out where to stay saint jude just takes care of that for them i remember when we were uh sort of entering saint jude back in uh the spring of 2009 with our son we were at another hospital here in town another great institution and it's okay this is malignant you're going to be a saint jude patient and we were like running around trying to figure out like what paperwork do we need to do how do we get our information over to them and we got a call from our coordinator saying look it's all taken care of guys like stop worrying stop freaking out stop trying to do paperwork and this is well where we will meet you we will walk you through the process this from the very beginning even as a local family was something that was really important to us because we knew immediately that we were in good hands and that's only possible all that stuff is super expensive right research and travel and housing all this stuff really expensive and saint jude's doors are open because of people like y'all donating and so if you if you haven't donated yet i would encourage you to do so at saintjude.org slash relay that money goes to all of these great things i'm talking about and so much more there's i could talk all day about the saint jude campus and the life of being a saint jude family but it is really amazing to be a part of it i think we've got uh david with us and so we're going to get a little nerdy with my friend david sparks hey david hey thanks for having me on it's going great huh yeah it's it's awesome i have a goatee uh which is uncomfortable but um i think this happened to you last year i think last year you were on and i had an awkward facial hair situation so yeah i really don't like the look to be honest with you in fact i think i'm gonna have to write a check as soon as we get out how much do i have to pay to get rid of the rest of that well so uh 270 000 makes it worse it makes it like a biker mustache uh and then we'll go through a mustache and then people can donate uh and vote if i keep the mustache or not i like the mustache not everyone in my life does i won't say who yeah maybe my children and wife i think i have a feeling i think i have a feeling all right so um so thank you for joining us for people i don't know how i mean you're a legend among legends uh the co-host of mac power users co-host of focus you've been riding max barky a long a long time um i told the story before but you and i met uh at mac world probably 2010 it was still in san francisco right before the end and we had a ice cream date and just hit it off and we've been good friends ever since so i'm honored that you would join me today i really am my pleasure man and i'm super excited to be part of this because i believe so much in st jude and what you guys are doing yeah uh so do um what are your thoughts apple had an event we talked to casey about the apple watch but automation is a big thing for you and there's been a lot of movement there uh kind of what are your thoughts coming out of this event with watch os 7 and ios 14 well i mean i think apple is iterating and that's good right every year gets a little better and i like that the hardware keeps adding features and every year it's not necessarily enough features to make you want to buy a new one every year although nerds like us are always tempted uh it adds up and like i have a friend that's moving from an apple watch series 3 to the new one and she is super pumped about all the new sensors she's gonna get and it's really great um one of the things i think people should really look into is the involvement with shortcuts and the watch now because you can automate it and one of the cool things i've been doing that i think a lot of people may want to try is automating your watch face you can do that now cool so when we talked about you coming on and talking about this uh you pulled a real classic sparky move and you're like i'll come and talk but here's i put a keynote file in our shared dropbox folder um so we're gonna have uh we're gonna have the control room uh bring that up and uh we're all gonna learn a little bit from the master i think okay well hey you know if we're gonna talk tech i'm gonna bring a keynote that's just the way it rolls brother yeah so uh so this is talking about scheduled faces uh which is a new feature uh so walk us through this a little bit yeah well i mean we've not had the ability to control automatically what happens with your watch face and i think it really helps with a unique problem so if we can just go to the next slide let me show you and you know what there's a delay so i'm just going to talk and this is i'm going to be talking ahead of my slide so this is a power move guys we all wear you know i wear a lot of hats i'm max sparky i'm also a lawyer but i'm also a dad and i have this family thing i do and um so there's different times of the day that i try and do these things that like i try to be max sparky in the morning try to be the lawyer at lunchtime i try to be the dad you know after dinner and i got thinking what if my watch could help me figure that problem out and it really can with the new apple shortcuts so what you do in shortcuts is you set up targets based on time of day to change the watch face and so for me i've got like kind of a basic analog face i use in the morning when i'm working for max sparky because quite often i'm recording screencasts i'm kind of making content and i don't want a lot of information i just want to know what time it is and then when i get to noon that's when i kind of change to my lawyer hat and i've got all these schedule blocks you know a lot of us use block scheduling so you want to have you know those things showing up on your watch when's my next call when's the next project i need to work on and i and i do that and so at noon my watch face goes from a basic analog to the uh the more fancy you know face with a lot of details on it's got the appointments listed and everything and the interesting thing about that is when i do it it context shifts for me because i look at my watch i'm like oh okay i'm no longer sparky now i'm a lawyer and then at night i turn it on to the breathe face which is a really simple face also does is give you the time but i'm from california and it's kind of a meditation face so you know i'm gonna do that yeah yeah and then so around 6 p.m it switches to that face and if i'm like working on something i look down at the face it reminds me hey dude you've got a wife and kids you should be spending time with them now not sitting here goofing off on your computer and it's really helped me kind of like move through my day contextually and all you have to do to do that is go in the shortcuts app and set a time-based trigger you know shortcuts has that for you and you can set a trigger by each time and just have it change the base even if you've never used shortcuts this is really easy it's just two steps you know you click on there's an automation button in the center the bottom uh you just click that then you say time-based automation you set a time 8 a.m noon 6 p.m whatever and then just search for your watch face and you can pick the watch face you want in and in it goes and then uh the big trick for ios 14 is now you can turn off the necessity of having to confirm that because before if you ran a time-based trigger you would get a confirmation you don't want to do that through watch face you just want it to switch on right it's like oh then it's drawing your attention away from what you're supposed to be paying attention to kind of feeds the whole purpose yeah and then you forget to press it and it doesn't work but what apple has done a great job with this release of making what i call automatic automation it automates and it doesn't require any human interaction and it's it's just really useful and uh that's just a little tip i thought i'd share today if you're downloading ios 14 you got an apple watch take a few minutes think about your day and what watch face would make most sense at different periods of your day and with shortcuts you can even do that by day of week so let's say every saturday morning you go to the gym you can have your watch face your gym watch face just turn automatically on when you leave for the gym yeah it's it's that that's a very useful thing because i think for a long time so many of us have wanted the apple watch to be more context aware so it should know more about what i'm doing where i am and it's still not there on that front but this this sort of doubles as that right if you have a routine that you follow and you want the watch to step through that routine with you now you can do that with shortcuts yeah exactly it's awesome uh one of the many things you can do now with shortcuts as uh listeners of the show will know i i think it really makes a difference and uh just it's those little tiny hacks in your life that make you feel better just like giving money to st jude makes you feel oh look at that transition such a pro man such a pro seriously though it just makes i've been watching the name scroll across the screen as i've been watching through the podcastathon and i love that everybody's coming in even with small contributions and i'm watching this number climb um there's you know we're going through this weird time right now where everything seems like it's out of our control uh but just the other day i made a contribution to st jude and i was thinking you know what this is something i can control this is something where i can make a difference uh much more so than getting obsessed with news and um it just felt really good and i i would encourage everybody to you know to dig in their pocket and share a little if they can so before i let you go i know that you spend a lot of time putting big field guides together um what have been some of the surprises this year maybe in parts of ios or watch os that you feel are like big changes that you're excited to tell people about well i think the biggest change what i was referring to earlier is that automation triggers now can actually happen without you having to confirm it and in last year's version of shortcuts that wasn't true every automatic trigger required a human confirmation and there are exceptions like if you have an incoming message or an incoming email or a location trigger those still need a confirmation i think apple doesn't want someone to send you a text message and tick off an automation trigger right yeah that could be that could be a good way to prank somebody right yeah it would be great though it would be great if you could do that every time i text david turn all of his lights flashing red so he knows it's me that'd be great but the uh but everything else is in your control like the time-based triggers i was talking about that's enough for a lot of people if you can set your day on a schedule you can make a lot of stuff happen without automatic that automation yeah that's really cool um i think people should definitely check it out i feel like shortcuts has while it's become more powerful it's also a really approachable way to get into automation that's one thing we talk a lot about on mpu um so it's good to hear from you david thank you for joining us and uh i guess i'll talk to you when we record our show on monday absolutely my pleasure and and good luck i can't wait to see us break that number i know man all right i'll talk to you later buddy bye all right all right so we have something uh really fun coming up um but uh i'm gonna check in on mike mike are you out of the balloon did you survive the bloom this time i it was it's getting significantly more difficult to get out now uh we currently have 480 is that correct 480 balloons in balloon right now um it's looking in more and more intimidating and i believe we have now run out of our pre-filled balloons so during segments now where i'm not on camera uh that's what we'll be doing we'll be filling the i think people need to get an idea of what maybe that's like so maybe uh maybe adina could run over and fill one of those for us real quick so we can get the experience please go and inflate a balloon yep steven would like to hear the sound of one of these balloons i would thank you adina this is one of the extra large ones okay see if we can hear it did you hear that nothing they didn't hear anything that's disappointing then we can do them all the time uh i guess at some point i could take the machine i could take the microphone over to the machine but i don't really think it's that exciting all right so we are going to be joined by the upgradian himself uh mr jason snell is going to to join us and jason has worked really hard on a special feature for today's show you may remember last year uh there was a game show and jason has outdone himself this year uh with this but i think we should uh talk to mr snell and see how things are doing in a lovely uh lovely bay area hey boys how's it going oh hey jason snell hey buddy uh are you loving the show uh yeah there's a giant there's a long story there's a giant beanbag my daughter's going back to college pack up i had to remove a giant bag i got stuck with it i got the short straw there not great for podcasting like you shift a little bit and it makes a bunch of noise you don't need you don't need that yeah it's just shoved in the corner where the cats can sit on it you don't have to touch that's fantastic um jason i'm glad to see you uh excited about this uh this video you've put together um you want to give it a good proper introduction uh sure so we decided last year we did a video uh that was a game show based on the relay fifth anniversary family feud we did another one for the podcastathon uh recorded in advance trying to think of another game show because you know i'm not a game show host by profession only really good at it a podcastathon game show host so uh what we ended up coming up with and i'm gonna i'm gonna say it now because they deserve all the full credit in the world there is a wonderful british game show called taskmaster you can actually watch like the first six seasons on youtube and it is a show where a couple of guys give people ridiculous tasks to perform and we wanted to get as many relay hosts involved in the podcastathon as possible not everybody could come on live and i think we've got nine different relay hosts to appear in this uh in this game show which is in two segments so we're gonna run part of it now and then there'll be more a little later on you'll get to find out who wins it actually breaks mid-task uh and we had a lot of fun doing it it was it took a couple of weeks to put it together but it was a lot of fun and i'll tell you there are a lot of very interesting talented clever relay fm hosts which i think speaks to how great the whole podcast yeah yeah we're really honored and humbled by working with all these great people uh it was funny as you were doing this project i would hear from different people no one would tell me exactly what was happening so i got some very worrisome messages from some people but i knew i knew we were in good hands because we were in your hands i think people are gonna really enjoy this yeah nobody knew what they were signing up for literally they just said i'll be involved in a game for the podcastathon and then they started getting their assignments and they said what have you got me into but it was too late and i kept saying it's for charity come on it's for charity that's right uh so i think everyone is going to enjoy this jason thank you so much for making it uh we know it was a big ask with uh you know an apple event and family stuff and everything else so seriously thank you so much and i think we're gonna let this roll all right welcome back to host master relay fm's favorite show in which i jason snell the host master make the hosts of various podcasts do terrible things but it's for the kids it's for charity and therefore it's okay let me introduce my four players these wonderful very kind relay fm hosts who agreed to be on this thing not knowing what they were going to have to do the host of the parallel podcast shelley brisbane hello hello don't be afraid children i'm afraid but you should not that's right the audience doesn't have to do anything uh the co-host of pictorial it's betty chin betty welcome hello i like art and i hope to not fail at stuff okay well we will see we will see there will be some failure i predict in this uh co-host of material it's flow ion flow welcome hi guys are you ready i'm fading it i'm okay fake until you make it i say and co-host of under the radar underscore david smith david welcome thank you for having me it's uh terrifying to be here who is holding you hostage by the way you are correct right answer no points for that but a correct answer now joining me on this episode in order to help me out and keep score and otherwise make sure that the show runs uh competently which i am not really going to worry about it is my uh he's the he's the co-host of clockwise and many other podcasts but clockwise is the one we care about because it's on relay fm it's my assistant it's little dan moran dan welcome hi jason should we should we do some banter uh you want to do a little banter uh i've um i've heard some bells i'm here with bells on i've got two bells uh-huh i've got uh a bell like this that's yeah that's a good bell and i've got a bell again so i think we're let me hear that first one here with bells on jason let me hear that first bell again throw that over your shoulder i don't want to hear that one again throw it over over thank you okay good all right let's do our first task uh this show is all about me making hosts of relay fm do dumb things and then judging them for that which is like uh it's good good to be me is what i'm saying dan what is our first task well jason our first task involves something very sweet sweet sweden it involves sweden involves talking to someone in sweden so the rules of the game are that you have to guess what my first major in college was and i'm fairly flexible on like the exact title because swedish universities and whatnot you can only ask yes or no questions and i will always lie you'll always lie oh my all right so just so we're clear here straightforward it's uh yes or no questions so binary it's very very clearly like yes or no the only wrinkle being that that's that's julia from the make do podcast uh who is in sweden and we told julia she had to lie so it's yes no but yes means no and no means yes pretty straightforward uh players right pretty pretty not not much there needs explanation that's great i wasn't told i wasn't told i'd have to turn my brain on this much all right well our contestants had varying degrees of success jason should we see how uh shelly and flo and betty did yeah let's do it i'd love to see that was your major something related to the kind of work you do now yes does it have something to do with worms yes does your first major have to do with what you do now yes was your major related to language yes does it have something to do with textiles yes is it art related yes was it a language of which you are not a native speaker yes and you will always lie so clearly it's electrical engineering uh exactly yes the always lie part has thrown me now because which as as i'm sure it was intended to i'm just going to start spouting out majors now were you a electrical engineer yes what is it science related yes did you acquire um programming skill computer programming skills in the course of your college major career yes so you still could be an electrical engineer does it have something to do with words no writing and literature related yes you're always just going to say yes to whatever i said that's very annoying this is a lot harder than i thought because my brain is doing a lot of gymnastics what else is do you regret your choice of major yes does it have something to do with books by famous authors no would it be considered a liberal arts no chemistry yes does it have to do with medieval times yes oh wait that was that was a yes but like i i still haven't gotten it right yes okay no i'm so confused at what point do i give up uh you are not getting close okay so seriously though how do we break the cycle right if you continue to if you want to if you want to do you want to give up i want to give up yes this is okay can i guess this is totally uh no i can't guess wait i can't guess you absolutely cannot guess but you're lying no could i make my final answer the liberal arts no okay that's my final answer then all right can i give up okay i mean no that's all it's perfectly straightforward i think i don't i don't know what the problem is jason it seemed very straightforward to me i i think uh our three of our contestants there more or less gave up at the uh before getting to julia's actual major which is uh that's tricky i was afraid that i had already got it and she just kept on saying no and i was just like well like at one point she says you're not getting very close which means you're getting very close and the response is something like oh well i give up then yeah see i never got that hint so clearly i was nowhere near it why so much electrical engineering everybody i don't know it's just i got stuck in my brain it was terrible it was in my brain too i have no idea where it came from i like that you started with worms and textiles that was like that's what i should have done worms well i'm sure ecology somebody is missing here dan somebody's missing someone's missing someone's missing i'm a little worried you want to see underscores so so it was a little worrying so when you when you started off the video and you said it's the other three and not me that's because of one of two reasons that's right yeah you either did very badly or or did well but we'll find out it's like let's find out which one it is let's do that right now was it a science yes was it a language yes was it business related yes the history of a particular country yes but is it a his it is history yes oh okay um is it was it an academic subject no does it involve math yes does it involve the law yes sort of does it involve international relations yes okay um um i go through all my different what do you major in it's not a science it's not a history it's not a language um is it philosophy no all right just like that just like that very scientific winnowing it down and then a long pause and he just shoots out philosophy like that it's a binary search see the problem is i knew it was liberal arts but the problem is i had no idea what caps so i wanted to google what does liberal arts mean it's liberal the meaning is just whatever you know when you're asking yes or no questions um you should probably know what the meaning is before they suddenly say yes or no to it and that didn't happen i'm very impressed two minutes and 10 seconds roughly it took david to get to philosophy with julia um and then everybody else gave up so five points to david and no points to anyone else no other points uh dan what what is our next task ah another task this task is a task about socializing socializing is very important we have asked our panelists to cause a social media post containing a link to saintjude.org and a secret word to be posted now each of them got a different secret word and our rubric was that the most likes by september 14th when we record this will be the winner let's start with shelley how about okay okay so she posted i'm supporting my fellow podcast juggernauts at relay fm raising funds for saint jude children's research hospital where families never pay for their kids cancer treatments i asked my office mate what we could do to help he's still cogitating but i know what you can do like this post so more people on the timeline will see it and click that link right there to donate there's a kitty there's a kitty uh also i liked this post but only one other person did so thanks for the mercy like jason i appreciate you're welcome i'm glad my facebook friends let me the hell down uh next up shall we see mr david underscore yes uh david david took the more uh common approach of tweeting his post he wrote in a year with so much sadness i'm happy to again support saint jude this month which brings life-saving care to children with cancer please consider helping if you can thank you saint jude.org slash relay um 41 likes 41 likes that's really good that's really good david what was your secret word umbridge i'm not seeing umbridge in there david what what happened what where's your secret word it's in there u m b r i a g e all those letters are in there in order in order okay so you you've you've scattered the secret word in yeah your tweet it's double secret that the best kind of secret secret is double secret secret are you ashamed of using the word umbridge could you not think of a way to use umbridge in a tweet that you had to hide it are you umbridge feels like a negative thing and i didn't want any negativity around this this is about the children and helping the children i'm not sure that it does but it's very clever there you go what else do we have dan uh let's take a look at betty's shall we did you know worldwide more than 90 of children with cancer live in low and middle income countries many lacking access to adequate diagnosis and treatment causing many of them to die before reaching adulthood saint jude.org slash relay this september as part of childhood cancer awareness month i'm proud to be part of a podcast network relay fm that supports the impeccable and life-saving work of saint jude children's research hospital donate today at saint jude.org slash relay impeccable impeccable impeccable is in there it's in there yeah all in a row david indeed together without any other letters in between it's also a thread which i think is an interesting uh interesting move and you got uh looks like eight total faves across your two tweets uh we've got one more tweet with a secret word in it shall we see flows yes all right flow tweets it is with unfeigned delight that i remind you all to help relay fm make our fundraising goal for saint jude this week this year we're pushing for 315k and we can use all the help likes and retweets that you can manage saint jude.org slash relay and flow's secret word was unfamed unfamed right there right away i spotted it right away in the first sentence well see david it's not that hard but i tagged the wrong relay i wasn't going to note it oh yes it is not underscore relay fm there oh no but she got the link right though so that's arguably more important it is i blame the twitter tweet deck algorithm actually even the wrong one i ask you to mention relay i just put in the link and the secret word so that's not bad 15 likes i like that 15 likes well how we want to rank these jason well well well um should we start from the uh the bottom and work our way up thanks dan appreciate that no i you know i don't think he was talking about you i i think we need to decide what we're doing with david um and i've decided so no points for david no points uh and that means that flo gets five betty gets four and she'll gets three all right so it is decided yeah okay david you're still in first place let your let your secret word fly david let your secret word don't be fly too secret and it wouldn't be secret that's the nature of a secret is that it's secret yes it was too secret a little bit too secret a little bit too secret okay all right what is our next task dan well for our next task we decided to get artistic with things and we enlisted the help of alex cox the co-host of roboism on relay fm and a friend of the network uh we have required the uh the contestants to exhibit their creative side shall we take a look at what that might involve i have made you a picture of mike and steven it's gonna be hard to top this i know oh that's so cute are you able to see yes this guy right here i see your masterpiece oh here we go here we go here we go yep obviously we have the well-known relay fm saying catchphrase uh sub header i don't know what they call it uh but it's definitely something people say all the time and we've you know got the mac pro steven here and a spaceship that's how those are drawn uh mike you know he has the stinky oil beard that smells like fancy and is his keyboard so you can interpret this however you'd like you're a tour guide in a museum or yeah i'm a tour guide in a museum then you'll see then you'll obviously see how good this picture is and how great i am art um you know what it's it's probably better than what i could create like i talk about art but i'm not an artiste so well your task if you choose to accept it which i guess you already have sorry make a picture of michael and steven and present it to the host master oh my god i draw like crap so sure that sounds and and the requirement is that it be a picture that represents mike and steven that is correct yes all right it's gonna be terrifying who's judging this uh bestness honestly i don't know i think jason maybe i don't know it is me it is surprise surprise it's me it's a me judging your picture so all i said was to uh to create a picture quite honestly a photoshop collage would work for me so oh oh i almost did that i didn't do that did you get disqualified but i just create a picture alex is the one who decided to draw whatever it was that alex drew up drew there uh but i hope that was inspirational um i want to see him dan i want to see him all right who would you who would you like to start with let's uh let's start with david start with david david's been all over the place good here is let's start with david's picture shall we oh that's uh it's pretty good it's a bit of an action shot i kind of like that mike looks very dynamic he's got and he put in that he put in the donate link too i i feel like that was that mandatory he's making it up for he's making up for his umbrage um that's pretty good david did you use a photographic reference here did you have some photos of mike and steven you brought up yes yeah these are these are two pictures i i have taken steven and mike over the years and then i sort of traced and copied them so it could be vaguely better and you wanted to have them both having you know nice serious but hopeful looks i definitely recognize them you if you showed that to me with no context i would say that that's mike and steven for sure so i enjoy their superhero goggles though i do that's i think my favorite part glasses are really hard to draw because they're transparent that's tricky shelly shelly spoke with great confidence about her art so i'd like to say all right let's let's take a look at shelly's picture here's shelly's okay okay oh they have accessories wow nice so little although the beard okay i was gonna say a little less focused on the bodies and the faces of the humans but there is a beard that's recognizable with mike but we have some labeling we have max stack hackett and multi-pad mike and and those are definitely real things that we i can tell that that's stephen hackett in uh his his little lab with all of his old max what's the tall thing that he's what is that microphone stand he's he's speaking into that mic from atop the tower of man because he is seated upon the top of that bookcase he needs to have a very tall mic stand uh all right let's see flows shall we this is flows look at that hello explain to me what i'm looking at here it's mike and stephen okay which is which uh stephen is the one with the little wannabe apple logo okay and mike is the one with the little key cap on the shirt oh it's a key cap yeah i tried i'm not gonna lie jason i had them flipped i was pretty sure it was the other way around interesting interesting well i kind of like got confused at which one was which as i was drawing them the hair and like i haven't doodled in a long time so i just kind of i have that problem when i'm talking to them sometimes i just don't i just kind of said you know what i think the guy on the left actually does look a little more like stephen yeah i think i should have actually switched them then i don't know who the guy on the right is i told my boyfriend what my task was and he was like so you have to draw two guys with beards who wear glasses i'm like yes totally distinct totally distinct human beings uh also i think it's interesting that looks like they're wearing to me hockey jerseys hockey sweaters and they've shaved their beards i have never been able to draw beards what what's left i guess it's betty we have betty to see let's see betty's this is betty's oh fancy this one's nice mine are also not to scale like they are adorable oh i just i just i just work in an art museum i don't know anything about bobble heads to that to those images originally i was thinking of making like animal crossing characters of them because i was like maybe you don't have to draw them but then i was like no that i don't think that's like the rules or that might be against the rules so i'm like maybe i'll just draw like a little cute baby version so they've got the beards they got the glasses you've got a saint jude logo on the microphone so this is obviously mike and steven at the podcastathon yeah yeah steven's got an apple shirt mike has his monkey brain shirt from cortex that's pretty deep cuts there's an iphone there and also a pen yep wow i think their hair is good the hair and the beard really yeah i feel really right on to me i spend most of my time on the hair and the beard that's the hardest part all right um i'm gonna give five points to betty obviously um four to david three to flow and two to shelly all right i have i've ruled he has spoken all right dan what uh what's next well next up we have a task that they haven't yet performed oh it's a live task i like these we haven't done any of these before live task of the show uh so our first live task of the show is going to require you to do a little foraging we would like you to hold as many objects in your hands in front of the camera as you can now all the objects that you hold must start with the letter s you have two minutes your time starts now well while they're finding things that start with the letter s we are going to do something else that starts with the letter s which is say goodbye for now we'll be back in a little bit so now i'm joined by my friend bob crawford he and i have a lot in common we met on the campus of saint jude we each have kids who have been through treatment and i'm excited that you'll be able to hear his family's story today i know they're they've been inspirational for my wife and i and i think they will be for you too so let me introduce my friend bob bob is the bassist for the grammy-nominated band the avett brothers and is a professional podcaster hosting three shows now politics of truth the road to now and rtn theology i'm gonna have some podcast questions for him at the end of this if that wasn't enough bob is also the managing director of the press on fund which raises money to fund scientific research in the areas of pediatric cancer leukemia and more bob and his family live in north carolina he and his wife have two children one of whom we're going to talk about today a brave girl named hallie bob how are you steven it's great to be here with you man yeah it's good to see you i'm sorry it's not uh not face to face but that's that's how things go in 2020 but you know it kind of is so this is 2020 style face to face that's right i've been doing a bunch of these like everyone has and you know you judge everybody's background good job on the bookcase and the window placement it's rock solid and st jude back there behind the base that's awesome uh so tell us a little bit about how y'all ended up at st jude well um well first let me say that uh you know of course it's great to be with you steven and uh you mentioned that our family was an inspiration to you and your wife but you guys are an inspiration to us so you know i think that's kind of how how this this uh this lifestyle works but um so 2011 august of 2011 august 28th 2011 i was on a flight coming back from a three-week european tour and um my wife got up that morning and found hallie uh our daughter who was um 18 months old at the time no 22 months old at the time uh having a seizure in her crib so melanie called 911 they uh they went to the hospital ct scan showed a large mass about the quarter of the size of her brain in her head uh they operated immediately went into surgery and they found it was a potentially a brain an enormous brain tumor when i landed in charlotte north carolina hallie was was just getting into surgery so of course i turned on my phone called my wife to tell her i was back in the states and i the shock you know just that you get that you know when you hear i mean we didn't know what it was right back my wife was like this is really bad this is bad she was crying and so i get to the hospital it was a two-hour drive to chapel hill where hallie was in the in the hospital she's still in surgery when i get there she gets out um that goes right to the intensive care unit of course um she was in really bad shape uh the the she was having strokes so she was having seizures and strokes when they brought her in there so in the weeks that followed we found out that this was what they believed was an appendomoma okay which is a high which is a high grade brain tumor uh just a terrible diagnosis and of course we were in shock and we were you know of course my wife and i asked each ourselves and each other like man this seemed to come out of nowhere but in the months before she would wake up and vomit um and then you would call the pediatrician and he would say well you know kids it's just hard to tell you know that age group she would be in the bath and i remember i just remember her going holding her head and like moving her jaw so i even said to my wife one night what is what is up does she have a brain tumor and i didn't know what i was saying i was just just saying things so so anyway that's the story of the diagnosis now we were going to jacksonville florida for proton radiation right yeah there was a 10-day lag so hallie was in such bad condition we thought she was blind she couldn't walk she couldn't speak um that we went to a rehab in charlotte north carolina and thinking like okay she's about to get hit with radiation after she's just been through this traumatic surgery let's let's try to get her 10 days of recovery and rehabilitation to kind of get her in the best shape uh to be knocked down again ultimately by radiation so we're two days from leaving charlotte to head to jacksonville we've got our plans we've got our place to stay we've got our transportation and i get a call well i get a call from the insurance company saying they're not going to pay for proton radiation it's a um it's not a um necessity it's a what do they call that when it's a you kind of like a elective or an elective procedure yeah um so i call the radiation oncologist no lie steve and he says uh oh you didn't hear i said didn't hear what he said it's saint jude and dana farber where we sought our second opinions called and they don't think it's an appendomoma they think it's an extra cytoma glioma and they don't think that radiation will help her so here we were left with nowhere to go yeah no good options oh gosh so talk about the shock of all this um so that was a friday afternoon saturday morning we're in the tally's hospital room in charlotte and my wife's going through the pile of mail that we were and she she gets a card from my aunt doddy really from my aunt nancy in hamilton new jersey and there's a saint jude prayer card so uh melanie looks at the prayer picks up picks up the saint jude prayer card she looks at me and says with tears in her eyes i want to go to saint jude wow so i spent the weekend trying to get in touch with somebody ultimately i got in touch with tom merchant who's a radiation oncologist at saint jude and he put me in touch with tabitha doyle and uh who contacted dr ammar gajar and before we knew it within two days we were at saint jude it's always interesting for me to hear stories from families who aren't in memphis you know i grew up with saint jude in my in my backyard just a few minutes away my whole childhood and being close like you know about it but you don't really know about it but then stepping into the story that you and i share with our kids you know you're um you're really in it and i think one of the really special times is when you those early days of saint jude when you make your way here you're interfacing with the hospital for the first time does anything stand out in your mind about those kind of early days with saint jude yeah it was uh it's an overwhelming place to be and it was just so vast uh and and of course you're kind of like you've been uh put in the queue right you arrive and then you're off you've got your schedule every day and and you're you're kind of just surviving and you're you're moving on faith um but my initial um thoughts uh were when we walked in and it was really loud and colorful in the front lobby and um there were there was like a clown in the front lobby and there's music playing and there was just like it was this um assault of sensory you know uh it was like walking into a carnival um and and that's the it was this um for me there was this idea of like it was like distorting it was like okay we're here for our child we've just been told that she's not gonna make it this is literally our our last chance we don't know why we're here we don't know what she's gonna get we don't know what the protocol is we just literally came here overnight just to be here to save our kid and then there's this carnival going on yeah um that was the initial initial uh thoughts about it and then you as you settle in you you just notice how it's all for the kids right of course it's a carnival because it's for the kids that's right and then something my wife pointed out within two days of being there uh we were in the cafeteria one day hallie was having a procedure or doing something and my wife looked around she was like look at all these kids you know they're they're black they're white they're middle eastern they're african they're asian but they all look the same right they all have the same look to them you know they they've lost their hair they're they're uh what do they call that um wilted flowers is a phrase um it's like tearing down all the all the the masks that we as humans kind of put on ourselves so yeah yeah it's a it's a life-changing experience to spend time there for sure it is it is one of the few areas in my life where i really feel deep community with people i may not even know that well because if you're there with your child the details almost don't matter you're kind of all in it together and um you get to know families like we've gotten to know each other over the years and countless others as people come and go and rotate in and out but there's always that thread you know holding us all together we're going to skip over a lot of history here but i'd love to hear how haley is doing now what are so you know what is or some current uh updates on her and how the coffer family's doing sure she's she's doing very well um she's uh you know we we're homeschooling of course like we're you know zoom schooling like and she's adapting to it you know she she lost the right side of her brain with her tumor so she has a lot of deficits um so things are just harder for her she's a slower learner than most kids but you know steven we i don't know if how much josiah's still at the hospital as far as therapies and and other other things but um she hasn't had a therapy since march yeah because of covet she's had um you should have speech therapy on the computer and she's doing well with it but yeah she's she is um 27 years out from her last treatment it's amazing congratulations thank you we are on the six month plan we come back twice a year we'll be back in september um and you know i was lamenting this uh the therapies thing with my wife the other day and she's like you know this year it's about survival you know it's great so you know this goes into being the parent of not only a cancer survivor but of a someone who's special needs right so as a parent you're constantly grateful to god that you have your child but you're also always trying to push that child forward yeah even with their limitations and so the frustration i feel for hallie is on me it's not on her you know so there's this like thing where you're we're always trying to be grateful but i'm but i'm also always find myself going back and forth with with frustration uh you know and that's the covet has taught us that uh this year we just got to be grateful and we can't we can't stray from that that feeling of gratitude yeah i know you and i hung out about a year ago and we talked about that at length about raising these kids um in the aftermath of their treatment and you know jesiah has been off treatment now uh it's been just past 10 years last month which is incredible it's amazing he's a miracle all these kids are and and now it's about school and you know he's coming up into fifth grade and like how does that like how does middle school the future and i i tell you in those moments of frustration what i come back to is i'm so thankful to be worrying about fifth grade with him because you know we were in a very similar situation where we didn't know if we were going to make it past those first few weeks or months and and now to be talking about ongoing therapy and all these things that our kids are still dealing with um even though that stuff is hard it's a blessing because it means that our kids are still with us and that's that's thanks to the work of saint jude and the amazing people there absolutely i'll tell you you talked about the the community that's within saint jude amongst the families um so we're you know like i said seven years we've been just coming back you know first year coming back every three months things go well you come back every six months and i got a feeling we're going to be every six months for a long time just for the nature of how he's tumor um and let me also say that so we come to saint jude and we believe she had an astrocytoma glioma and that's how she was treated and she had a recurrence in 20 in 2013 she had a recurrence yeah and they said you know it looks so much like an ependymoma but we still think it's an astrocytoma glioma well in 2015 her tumor was retested at saint jude using newly available technology and they decided how he didn't have a ependymoma and she didn't have an astrocytoma glioma she had an extremely rare tumor of which at the time they'd only seen 15 there were only 15 no cases so now they're going back and they're back testing old tumors and they're seeing more of these but um that just shows you saint jude never quits yeah right you think you have the diagnosis but grain tumors somebody once said to me this is like we're in the frontier of this of understanding these things we're we're still on the frontier we're we're collecting data you know we're we're not we're making breakthroughs but but you know we're we're learning the basic science so we can make a breakthrough in the future and that's why kids like haley and josiah they're they're pioneers and in my in my yeah but but when we come back to saint jude now now it's every six months we're distanced from the community of the hospital we see some familiar faces like you guys a lot of people they're just not there you know they've moved on and they're on their their own schedules but you you arrive there and you're in this new normal life right you're in the hustle and bustle of life after cancer so to speak uh and then you re-enter saint jude for your three or four day visit and there's all these new people that are coming in these new families and they're just they're in the trenches their their skin is tough you know they're they're um they're fighting it and they i know when we come to saint jude it's funny because it's so stressful to come to saint jude and get scans right but there's also you arrive you walk in that hospital and there's this wave of relief to be there it's so strange uh and then i always come away you know we've been blessed past seven years we get to we get good news see you in six months and you're always driving away uh kind of blessed by all the the new people by all the you know you're you're just you're brought back into the intensity um and the power of living your life daily by faith because you have to right and that's what when you're in the trenches at saint jude when your child just arrives there and it's all so new and so confusing and so overwhelming you know you really feel this idea of living by faith because there's no longer that world outside that that job that career you have that house that house back in north carolina none of that matters anymore um all that matters is is being there and and treatment and uh it kind of really boils life down to its essential core yeah that's well said um so to change gears a little bit before i let you go we are on a podcast a thon a six hour live podcast which seemed like such a good idea when we came up with it and um tell me a little bit about your podcast because you have just jumped into this uh this format sure so uh i've been podcasting for a little bit over four years uh we i co-host the road to now podcast it's a history podcast it um my co-host is dr benjamin sawyer he's a lecturer in history at middle tennessee state university and our it's a history you know where we want to know how we got here we're looking for the road to now and then as an offshoot of that i started rtn theology and that's just asking questions about god trying to understand the life of faith and then for the 2020 campaign i started uh the politics of truth and that is the intersection of music and politics and the idea was cover the campaign for music fans but then of course in march everything changed because you have a whole industry like industries that is we're done i mean we're done until a vaccine until a proven vaccine that's been distributed we're we're out of work but what i like to look at while we're covering the campaign is those intersections between music and politics cool well bob thanks for joining me today it's good to see you my friend always a pleasure i'm gonna have to go around and ask for that as you can see i'm joined by i currently here he made the trip um he's actually a lot skinnier that isn't in that pandemic diet i mean just that's really straightforward oh i'm getting i'm getting a message uh oh no this isn't the real mike hurley there's another one i think we're going to talk to instead what is what is going on here hey i have a cardboard cut out of your head when and why did this happen well i can tell you what happened okay i was minding i'm gonna hold you i was minding my own business just working and i get a text message from somebody at all sack and said what if we turned you into giant cardboard cutout heads and i sent this artwork this is by our friend jelly and i have me as well but it's not funny to hold your own head it's way funnier to hold your partner's head so i'm gonna put you back it's very impressive i will say i am i'm gonna keep it i'm thinking about hanging it up um maybe my living room in the bedroom we'll see so uh so mike mike we have good news we are at 263 thousand dollars praised for saint jude at 270 thousand dollars we're going to lose some more facial hair i'm going to lose some more facial hair uh so we would love to hit that during our next interview uh with our next guest so uh please go to saintjude.org slash relay uh donate today it's been really awesome katie jason patrick jack josh matt clayton all of these frazier all of these i mean i can't like i have to stop talking at some point because the list just goes on and on everyone uh donating it's been really exciting to see this uh this number continue to grow out of the corner of my eyes so thank you so much for that um mike you're not uh in the bloom i thought you said you were going to be there i feel lied to no uh what i have instead for you is the balloon machine oh good so excited so dina do you want to come and blow up a balloon please i'm gonna eat a berry dress that she should she should be showing to the world so as a resident balloon uh expert here um oh hey thank you thank you jeremy for your donation jeremy is a friend of ours the founder of all emoji uh thank you jeremy for your gift oh damn jeremy he's got that emoji money it's just one of the emoji bag monies that's what he gave us thank you jeremy thank you please blow up a balloon at jeremy's honor did you hear it that time oh yeah yeah that's that's really cool there you go that's how the balloons are made thank you for that very important update uh maybe i should get up and give you an update on the bouncy ball situation how does that sound yeah let's do that i'd love that so here we are okay so i'm going to go over here very carefully not ruin myself with these wires uh so this performer at the end of the night will hold 900 bouncy balls uh we have raised a whole lot of money already so as we can see we are filling this up i think we just still see my there we go filling this up the the line is kind of here now the performance 6400 case is tricky because there's a lot that you can't see with the plexiglass uh but we are very excited to continue to fill this uh mike why don't you read me a few names and i'll put some balls in how's that i think that'd be absolutely fantastic so i would like to thank bruno uh i would like to thank somebody who has offset their apple watch band purchase oh that's awesome katie jerome jason oh no katie didn't make it in katie's gone i'm sorry katie jim jim says goodbye beard 270 000 i get a shave matt marvin tom josh patrick anonymous which i can only assume is the people no no don't make that joke nope don't fraser john beck are we gonna bounce for you for your incredibly generous donations steven hackett we are currently at 268 963 dollars raised for saint jude so less than 1100 hours away from this bit of facial hair going away which frankly no one wants to see but also everyone wants to see so saintju.org slash relay 50 to every 50 dollars we get a bouncy ball mike is filling up a room with balloons which is apparently a thing that people do in london seems very cultured to me mike people do in london now yeah your trend we're trends you know relay is about setting trends and i think that old max that no one wants will be used for good and tents will be purchased and filled with balloons what do you think i think it's a fantastic idea so you want to tell us what we have next yeah so uh every couple of weeks um here on relay fm i have the pleasure of hosting a show called the test drivers uh with my friend and youtuber austin evans where we tend to talk about two things we talk about flipping phones as you can see like this one oh did you bring it oh look at that yeah i've got the fold i got both of them it's part of my elaborate set dressing which i've not really done anything to show but i have lots of things around me maybe in a donation update steven i can give you a tour of the items that i brought with me today i would love that but we also talk about games consoles a lot because right now is the time for games consoles so uh austin is going to be joining us in just a second and we're going to be talking about everything xbox and everything playstation as we move into this new console generation awesome yeah it seems like i don't i think the pokemon segment earlier submitted my status as an elite gamer so i'm super excited about all these consoles so austin is going to be joining us in just a second and we're going to be talking about that um hopefully uh you can maybe get that horrible part of your beard taken care of while me and austin yeah let's do it let's hit 270 000 when austin is talking to mike and uh i will be shaving if we do that all right i'll say goodbye to you now steven and uh in just a second i think i'll be joined by my friend austin in the meantime make sure you go to saintju.org slash relay where you can donate um you gotta help us keep raising that money help us take care of steven's facial hair austin evans can you hear me my friend i do not hear austin i don't know if that is uh about now i'll render us hey there he is hello how's it going my friend good how are you nothing like some last minute headphone issues you know a live stream i can definitely tell these were probably not your first choice today correct you are my friend how's the stream going really great really great i have a room full of balloons over there we're raising a ton of money uh i see something sitting next to you right now what what do we have here my my ikea plant yeah i actually got this for like a set dressing i think it's really cool i get questions it's really nice it's really really nice you should be proud of that i am um there's also some xboxes here but i i feel like everyone's seen the videos there's nothing to talk about right that's true i mean yeah everybody has i've seen the view counts on those videos everybody has seen those videos uh we it's kind of funny really because uh we record our show every couple of weeks and from the time of our last recording to our next recording which i think we're going to do in a few days all of the news has happened about games consoles uh so as a long running uh joke of the show that you no longer have to eat the podcast because me and you had a bit of a bet going on about whether the xbox series s would be a console that existed before the xbox series x and we do know that now yeah so from just a bit from a base perspective i want to talk about uh xbox and playstation today but let's start with xbox so what have we got coming in the next uh console uh revision for microsoft so on the microsoft side it's different than the past although it's actually not totally crazy if you're used to something like the xbox one s and the one x for example so we have the lower end model which is the xbox series s so this is the all digital console it's only 300 so i mean very affordable when you consider that it's a brand new console and it's aimed at slightly lower end gaming so all the same games but like 1080p 1440p but basically this is the console to get if you really want to sort of just get a next gen version that's not going to break the bank and if you want the full fat 4k experience that is where the xbox series x comes in it's 500 so obviously much more expensive but this has tons of graphics power you have the blu-ray drive so you can buy the physical discs you can do everything you want on this play the old school xbox games and the medium school xbox games pretty much everything you want to do between the two consoles but unlike before where we've really just seen sort of like the ps4 come out and then three years four years later oh a slim version or something it seems like both sony and microsoft this time around are going for a much more two-pronged approach with a cheaper digital only console and with a much more expensive but sort of the full experience high-end console now you've got the big price difference obviously microsoft were first right they got their pricing out first uh you know it could be said we're not actually sure when they wanted to get that pricing info out there because it kind of got away from them a little bit but microsoft have proven time and time again during the lead-up to the beginning of the next version of the console wars that they are understanding their marketing like they did a fantastic job owning the leaks making fun of themselves and and i think ended up with probably a larger press cycle than if they would have just done what they were planning to do which was to send these like as you have right like they sent these hardware units out to you and and many other youtubers as well um i assume that was probably the original plan yeah they would have their own press releases but instead some of the information got out first yeah no you're totally right they did a great job of really being on top of it because essentially i don't know exactly when the original date was but i i believe it was a week two weeks before when they were initially planning on launching these things and you know announcing it and everything and then when it started to leak on twitter and then it leaked more and more i mean within a few hours they were like yep all right fine it's real it's $300 xbox series s and then pretty shortly after that they have the actual units in our hands the full videos are going live i've got to give them props right and especially when you look at what's coming up next week with all of the sort of pre-orders i mean ps5 pre-orders were maybe not smoothest thing in the world so there's potentially for even more opportunity for microsoft to score some brownie points by getting these things on sale in a way which won't completely piss off the entire internet which i uh i hear is a good thing when you're launching a new console now talking about that some of the ways that they're looking to um sell these products is interesting right because they're really pushing i mean microsoft have been pushing their subscription which i cannot can't remember the name of the moment because they keep changing the name it's game pass but then is the game pass all access that's when you get x cloud and right or is all access when you get the console all okay so not confusing at all xbox all access is game pass as well as a console so if i want to get say the series s i can pay a small amount of money a month i will get not only the console i believe you pay for like two years whatever so it's essentially like a zero percent financing plan on the console but including that you also get the xbox game pass ultimate service which is typically like 15 a month if you were going to purchase the console and have game pass it usually makes sense and obviously there's no real upfront cost but the difference between the all access which is sort of everything and the actual game pass is slightly confusing because game pass gives you the games right think of it like the netflix of gaming where you're able to not only play a ton of new games you have to download them and play them locally so it's not necessarily streaming but you get access to a bunch of games including first party titles and on top of that if you have the ultimate side of it which is different than standard game pass you can then stream games to your phone to your ipad what have you so there are a lot of different things i think it's smart that they've sort of put so much investment into these different ways that you can play but it is certainly confusing to say the least you know you said about xcloud i got my flippy boys here hey and a couple of days ago i paired my xbox controller up with one of these and i was playing forza and sea of thieves on my phone that is how do you feel like so i've spent a little bit of time actually if not properly like sat down and spent a couple hours playing x i played like a time or two how do you feel about the the latency the experience the the load times like does it actually feel like something that you would use as more than a novelty i would not want to do it full time but i would happily do it as a way to just get play some games right like if i was maybe if i was traveling or if you know i was just at home and maybe was well even if i was here like at my studio and wanted to play something right my xbox is at home or whatever then i could imagine doing it um it was i would say very good not perfect very good add some more audio glitches than visual glitches but definitely some visual glitches too i mean i think it is i don't know if they're still technically calling it beta or not but it's still early on um and i would say it was it was a very good experience okay but i think it's impressive because so much of streaming games whether it's xbox whether it's what you know nvidia has or stadia or what have you so much of it is sort of outside of your control right because they can have the best servers and games running in the world but you're still bottlenecked by your internet connection you're still bottlenecked by if you're over wi-fi something as simple as someone turning on a microwave could hurt your performance but there's so many variables it's really tough to kind of go from that 95 pretty good to 100 perfect and i think that's something that's going to take a long time to really get right on but that being said if you are i don't know you have a series s at home and you're playing on your 4k tv and you sort of get that higher end experience and then when you're out and about and you want to play on like 4g or something even if it's not the greatest experience in the world i can see with the saves being synced and everything that being a really helpful thing but that being said i think it's telling that you don't unlike stadia where you're actually purchasing the games and it's a full standalone thing this is something which is just including game pass right if you're paying 15 a month to xbox live gold and all this kind of stuff you're also getting the actual sort of streaming side of it is sort of an add-on not as a full feature like this is the next generation and i think right now the xbox model is better than the google model because i think at the moment it isn't good enough to warrant me paying full price for games that i don't have in my possession either digitally or physically but it is definitely a fantastic perk for an existing subscription that i'm already paying yeah i want to bring in playstation here right so we've got 299 for the series s 499 for the series x we have 399 for the digital version of the playstation 5 499 for the disc based version the pricing i think sony's been pretty aggressive yes are you surprised how aggressive they're being with the pricing i am yeah so the rumors had been for quite a while that there would be sort of a high end and low end xbox right and we had like the spec of the series s for a little while and it seemed pretty clear that there was going to be a big gulf right i mean even though they will play the same games the xbox series x has three times the graphics power right doesn't necessarily mean games are going to run three times more like better or anything like that but like this has a lot more power there was a very clear divide there which makes sense you know if you're charging 200 less you're getting less for it but with the playstation there have been pretty persistent rumors that there would be a fairly high price tag on it like they were having issues with yields and etc etc and so when you consider that the playstation 5 and the playstation 5 all digital edition are essentially the same thing the actual like chassis of it is slightly smaller because they don't have the optical disc but besides that they're pretty much the same and the fact that they've charged you a hundred dollars less for that digital edition i think is really impressive i mean for context one of those blu-ray drives that you would put inside an xbox or playstation 20 maybe 25 so there's no doubt the sony are taking a much larger loss on the digital edition to first of all be more competitive with the xbox with the series s and on top of that i'm sure they hope to get that money back on the back end by selling you more digital games which of course they're going to make a larger profit on since they don't have to cut in best buy or amazon or whatever on those physical games they get to pretty much just split all of that money with the developer which i'm sure will help kind of cover that hundred dollar price difference especially because i've seen some of the prices those games seem to be going up in price but this happens every generation exactly because i mean if you think about it games have been 60 dollars for what 10 12 years now i mean if you consider the price of inflation a lot of games used to be 70 72 73 even 10 years ago right so i think 70 games are in my opinion perfectly reasonable because that's just what we used to pay for games a few years ago it's not like the n64 days when remember when games are like 100 each on the carts i mean it's look it's expensive but it's not surprising i think is probably the better way to say it yeah um so one of the things that's interesting to me is like the way that this whole situation keeps flip-flopping because i feel like i was oh like i was all in like microsoft you did it right the pricing is fantastic 299 499 superb you can get the the the subscription deals get console bundled in perfect but now seeing 399 for the digital version of the playstation 5 and it isn't different there's now this thing in the back of my head which is like uh am i gonna have to think about like really think about my xbox purchasing decision if i was going to go that route would i have to think like am i gonna end up with a worse experience in a couple of years because i've made that purchase now like i actually think that whether they made this decision whether this was the original plan for sony's pricing or not by going with the route that they've gone i think they're actually have edged ahead again i mean the playstation 5 digital at 400 is an incredibly impressive console because while yeah it's 100 more than the series s the difference is there's no real comparison between the playstations the playstation 5 they're both the exact same spec the games will run exactly the same the only difference is whether or not you have that disk drive on the xbox side not only does the series s while it's cheaper and it loses the disk drive but it's running those games at lower frame rates lower resolution i mean it's not the full experience and i mean i i think at 300 i'm totally willing to make that and i think for most people you get this thing you get xbox game pass you'll play halo and you know a handful of other games that's a really easy way to get into next gen but for 100 more the playstation 5 has a lot more performance and it has the ability to play of course all of those sony exclusives which i mean it depends obviously what kind of gamer you are but if you have a pc most of the games on xbox are on pc whereas on the sony side it's not necessarily the case there are a lot of exclusive titles to the ps4 to the ps5 that you just simply can't play anywhere else and i think that's it right it's the games and i think if i would say both both consoles are light maybe lighter than normal especially lighter than they wanted them to be but it feels like if if someone was making their decision based purely on what games will be available at launch and maybe within the first few months again not unexpectedly it does feel like sony's got the edge yeah it's kind of tough because it's like so many of the games that we will be able to play at launch are older titles right they're either cross-gen so stuff that's launching on ps4 xbox one and series x and ps5 like call of duty or something there are some remasters that are coming out to the new consoles and of course there's the backwards compatibility side right where the ps5 will play quote 99 of ps4 games which is fine but you look at the xbox series s and x and they'll play basically all xbox one games and essentially the vast majority of the 360 and the original xbox games mind you some of those older xbox games won't really be totally compatible with series s unless you download them digitally or you can take an original xbox one or 360 game and toss it into your xbox series x but it's almost like these consoles they have benefits and they're it's nice to have them and there are some games and if you're you know gonna play call of duty or whatever then that's great but a lot of uh i think there's a lot of reasons why you may want to skip a console at launch and maybe pick it up next year just because what are you really gonna play on it right i mean yeah uh speaking of which have you pre-ordered anything oh yes we have so playstation 5 wise uh we had a fun time so uh ken went out uh he actually went to a physical game stop and he was literally in line the guy in front of him got the last ps5 so that didn't work the last one i know and this is like the so the way the day went was that they had the event so like we shot the video i'm like furiously editing and ken's like texting me like going from store to store trying to get his hands on it because they're like oh it'll go on sale tomorrow 30 minutes later pre-orders are popping up everywhere and stuff so thankfully we were able to get our hands on a ps5 which would be shipping out so we will be able to do a video and everything and then yeah i'm assuming is from everything i'm hearing the xbox should be a little bit easier for the pre-orders when it goes live but yeah i mean look it's like between that and you look at like all like the rtx 3080 stuff there's a lot of pent-up demand for this stuff right and it makes sense but uh it's hard for i think anyone to keep this stuff in stock because it's like there's no there's so much more demand and supply things are going to sell out it's just a matter of how quickly does it sell out and how many bots get it and flip it on ebay versus people who actually want to buy it and use it yeah you know i understand the idea of people saying that like and it has been like the playstation uh pre-orders have been a little over the place and microsoft have uh taken another shot at sony by kind of very clearly laying out their pre-order strategy but there is definitely something to be said for the more chaotic your pre-order process the more uh panic people buy in like me i want the digital playstation 5 right but i can't seem to get one so i've put a pre-order down on a disc playstation 5 now i only have like it's like a five pound pre-order and i'll pay the rest later but like at the same time i'm going to keep my eye out and because the digital one is what i want and then if i during the process between now and november 19th it'll be for me in the uk we're not getting on the 12th we're getting it the week after it's like yeah this it was kind of strange yeah all of europe is getting it on the 19th which i found it was interesting i was like new zealand's getting on the 12th like congratulations new zealand um but this stuff happens every now and then honestly i'm pleased that we are actually getting it in november at all like i thought that there was definitely a possibility that that maybe outside of the us and maybe outside of japan it would have been much later into the year yeah um but so i will keep an eye out for the digital edition but well so from what i've heard from what i've heard the stock allocation is heavily in favor of a ps5 the standard disc version so um i've heard it is big of a five to one gap of stores are getting five standard playstation fives for every one digital edition i'm not massively surprised by that because i'm sure that they think about it and they go you know what people who are going to try to buy on day one will maybe do exactly what you did and go oh i want the digital but if i can only get the disc i might as well spend the extra hundred bucks so and i'm sure they're making obviously way more money since there's you know such a huge sort of markup on that but yeah it's gonna be tough but it's i feel like it's gonna be like this for a while and especially because it's not just these new consoles that are selling out i mean if i don't know if you've gone to a store recently but like there aren't exactly a lot of consoles on shelves anywhere right i mean even like xbox ones and ps4s have been either low on stock or sold out around where i am for six months now at least so people are just trying to get their hands on consoles period and you get them some sweet shiny new toys they're gonna be all over it probably through a lot of next year i would guess well i mean especially nintendo though right like they're the ones that left out of this conversation because they i think they said on a recent earnings call that they're halfway through the generation now yeah um but like ninten like i think in august they had the best august they've had in the switch right it's just like that is a train that is not stopping for no one i mean nintendo is selling every single switch they can make they've been doing that well i mean honestly for most of the life cycle of the switch i mean they've had like periods where the switch would be in stock recently but like they've sold out pretty regularly for years now right i mean they just keep selling these things like crazy and now that we have the switch light we have the new red box switch with the better battery life and then it sounds like next year we're going to get some kind of switch pro 4k sort of model i think it's very good to be well pretty much sony microsoft and nintendo because they're all selling all the consoles they can make but specifically on the nintendo side i think they're really positioned well to go into sort of the back half i guess of their generation with a very strong lead and the fact that everyone wants a switch or two switches or three or whatever the case is when you break them or you want to leave one hooked up to your tv or whatever you just want to get that i believe it on like leave it on a park bench or something that would be sad austin thank you so much for joining me uh we'll be talking more about this on our next episode of the test drivers i'm sure absolutely man well good luck with the rest of this stream and hopefully we've got those donations flowing you guys are really close i was looking at the the tally it's really getting up there we're uh 200 and i'm refreshing the page 71,799 dollars raised which is unbelievable i feel like we recorded the podcast like a week or two ago and we were like 60. yeah you know what i think that's kind of how it's been austin thanks so much my friend awesome good luck man have a good one all right go to stdew.org slash relay that's where you want to go to donate i think stephen's going to be joining me again we'll do a little donation update maybe i'll eat a disgusting jellybean or something hey buddy hi how are you i'm good i enjoy your face what's going on with your face is anything happening yes i've got the uh terrible like uh it's like wolverine situation that's not nice that is not good so when we hit 285,000 dollars raised this becomes a mustache which believe it or not is better than this so do it for the kids but also do it for me do it for my family so i don't have to sleep outside tonight yeah please think of stephen's marriage it's yeah that's right helpful all right so i think you know you got to eat some beans yeah all right let's let me get some blueberries it's not necessary anymore it really is they're so good and they're sitting right here i've been snacking on them the whole time well you got to eat four just for jeremy okay we're either going for coconut or spoiled milk oh ah the sweet taste of coconut that's uh you got very lucky very lucky i'm sure i won't next time oh here we go okay birthday cake dirty dishwater this was the worst one so hopefully this is birthday cake all right hmm so oh i feel like it was dishwater no birthday cake were you down that water like you were trying to get it out of your out of your mouth i was cleansing my palate from the coconut that's good because what i found so far is it's really upsetting when it takes a while for the flavor to come through so if i have to flavor a previous bean bad news i do not want all right this is fantastic oh we have a new one okay the tutti frutti or stinky socks i feel like socks won't be that bad we'll see won't we better than spoiled milk how is it i honestly don't know how do you not know it's just nothing hmm oh the chat like hearing me say tutti frutti for some reason i don't know why i've had three good ones in a row yeah that luck will definitely keep keep holding out steven do you know we've passed halfway of the stream yeah like time-wise i do know uh because i made a comment earlier how we had 90 minutes left that's not true uh we have a little over two hours left and uh that means we can keep ticking up that money at stjou.org slash relay all right this is the last one i'm gonna eat for now and see if a toasted marshmallow or a stink bug okay oh are you okay mike say mike say something if you're alive that's the worst one oh my god what is it like put us in your mouth i can't describe it i can't describe it my mouth feels like it's like a mix of really strong coffee and a really sharp fruit and then something else that's completely gross that's terrible uh while you compose yourself i'm going to read some names off our list year of steven just donated 100 thank you for acknowledging my year of championship on the connected podcast uh felix uh one that says mike is a snack i'm too old to know what that means uh thank you parker uh our friend matthew thank you matt uh frank eli potato ferret i don't want to know what that means uh thank you all for donating it's been simply amazing every time i look over the screen that number is like refreshing and going up it really is fantastic you can join the fun at stjou.org slash relay mike you know we're pretty far into this thing maybe we like uh reintroduce what we're doing so every september is childhood cancer awareness month and for several years now we at relay fm have taken that opportunity to talk about and raise money for st jude and this is the second annual podcastathon which we kind of do at you know towards the end of september i know it's only the 18th or a little early this year like pulling this big show together talking about st jude having our friends on but we will continue to fundraise uh through september because st jude is funded by people making donations just like us all the way around the world that means they can treat kids with cancer and other serious diseases without their parents or their family having to pay a dime which quite frankly seems miraculous to me but people believe in this mission we believe in this mission my family's been impacted personally by childhood cancer with our oldest son he's a survivor now it's because of the work of st jude and there are lots of kids like him in the time st jude has been open over the decades they have moved the cancer survival rate in children from 20 to 80 but they're not stopping there they're not okay with 80% of where they're going to keep pushing until the hospital reaches the vision put out by its founder that no child should die in the dawn of life how's your mouth are you okay kind of tangy um but i'm okay the worst part the worst part is you know how things get stuck in your teeth oh no is it still in there well no but like it's okay now but like i think i'm all good and then i'm like oh it was a little bit stuck in my teeth and then the flavor comes back oh you know so like you think you're good and then it's like you know what is that after like is it the aftershock after an earthquake it's like that but we've discussed in jelly beans that's terrible uh well maybe we'll give you a break so you can go wash your mouth out with something uh up next we have another stop on our virtual tour to show you a bit more about the hospital and mike and i'll be back after this so here we are in the chile's care center uh which is another entrance into the hospital um this one's a little fancier looking because it's a little more wide open and it's been renovated recently i mean it looks completely different even from when we were in treatment from 2009 to 2014 um you know one of the one of the things that i absolutely love from the renovation is how they've renovated this welcome desk uh you'll notice that it says welcome in multiple different languages and that's just to kind of touch on the fact that you know every kid that comes here is not necessarily from here you know that danny's vision was to treat any child regardless of race religion or creed once you get into all of that you know you start getting into different languages so it's important to make everybody feel welcome once they come here um you know one of the cool things that that saint jude does offer is you'll see on the counter there there's a blue phone um and you know if we don't have a translator on site that day that can speak the language that we need you know the family can walk up to this phone with their doctor or with their nurse or whoever and each person grabs a headset because you'll notice they have two headsets and it goes into a translating services that provides over a hundred different translations for more than a hundred different languages um you know so i think that that's just all encompassing of everything that saint jude thinks of to ensure that everybody's taken care of and treated uh just as just as good as the next person's going to be treated regardless of what language they speak um you know as he starts panning around you'll see the led wall over there on the other side of this pole um that's that's a newly renovated area as well i remember uh before we used to actually run into you guys here a lot uh there used to be screens cameras there used to be screens with cameras where the kids can play and just kind of show up but now i love this uh because you know the wall never looks the same that's one thing that i love doing from walking walking through this building is that how these lights are lighting up if you twist them they light up in different colors and turn on and you know turn off and what have you which is i think you know i and i hope you guys are comfortable with me sharing but you know that that that serves as a therapeutic tool for patients that may be struggling with their hands and the use of their hands to be able to come and touch and move and uh you know move their wrists around and move their hands around that you know i mentioned in last year's podcast so if you are a returning podcaster um you know i mentioned how josiah i remember when josiah was in a brace uh with his left hand and i remember every time that i run into him i used to always make him fist bump me but not with his right hand i'd make him fist bump me left hand because i knew that that's something that you all were working on and uh you know his physical therapy was working on i love in this shop really see some people sitting there's that half wall there st jude the whole campus has all these little cubbies so you can if you're waiting for an appointment or you didn't take a phone call or you know a lot of parents may also be trying to juggle other kids or work or something that you can step away from hospital life for a second and and take care of something else and it's not all a bunch of sterile hallways but i mean this looks like a cool place to hang out it just happens to be in the world's greatest uh research hospital for children um and and this is sort of a gateway to a lot of other stuff uh in the hospital i think enrique is going to take us to our next stop uh here in a patient room yeah so right across from where we were standing just now is the k research and care center um and you know this is this is where all our inpatient beds are um all the inpatient beds live in this new side of the building which is you know the chili's care center side so at the chili's care center side we have the bmt and then this is the k research and care center uh one of the cool things that uh that these rooms offer or that these floors offer is just like our clinics are split up by specialty each floor treats uh patients based on that specialty as well so not only is the team uh treating you when you're outpatient um with that with that specific diagnosis in mind they also do it when they're inpatient so i think that's what increases our treatment as well is you know you hear a lot of families share that the at saint jude did everything that it could to give them a team uh for treatment right um and this is part of that team the inpatient uh team is just as good as treating as the outpatient team so it's uh and they make sure that that that treatment continuity which is important um is just maintained the whole time while the patients are being treated um you know yeah go ahead you'll notice those little touches like the phone you were talking about in the lobby it's in these rooms as well so you can really stay connected with your child and you know take care of a call with a doctor or somebody else and have those services available to you uh inpatient as well as just in the lobby i love those little touches that are throughout the hospital you know one of the things that i love to share and i love to talk about and um it's actually a good segue to uh to what mary does at the hospital and how she serves in a different capacity now at saint jude we have uh what's called steering councils and that that's a combination of parents that have been through treatment and have helped uh the hospital now with their advice and what they can do to improve the the treatment for the patients and mary actually serves on one of those steering councils and as a mentor so you know her her work directly impacts now on what saint jude does to treat the families that are coming now yeah and i i won't lie i am having some deep seated uh feelings of jealousy looking at how amazing this patient room is because these are beautiful i mean they're just beautiful and and having your own bathroom because when you're on your child is getting chemo it's not always safe to use the same restroom as the patient as your child and so you've got to leave your child no matter how old they are ask a nurse to come sit with them so that you can run down the hallway to go to the parent restroom not anymore because of exactly like you said and ricky um because of other parents saying hey you know what would make this a lot easier you know what really make my life a lot simpler while my kid is receiving treatment here if i could have my own bathroom when we're inpatient because um sometimes you don't expect to be this happened to us several times sometimes you don't you expect to go for the day to appointments um not to spend the night but we soon learned maybe after round two i think of 16 rounds you keep a hospital bag in the trunk always at all times because twice we had pneumonia we josiah had pneumonia we didn't know and so we got there they're like you're going inpatient what why we just got out we we don't need chemo again so um you don't know when you don't know for how long so just always be prepared for anything to happen and it makes that it's just having a beautiful spacious living space like that makes such a big difference um just for a parent's mindset the corners of these floors also have um kitchens connected to them and so when you have a patient who is passing um they're they have access to their own private basically all the family can come in they have their own sitting areas they provide um food and drinks and snacks so that you can have that time with your family and with you know the family can have a time with the patient but it's all connected so there's four corner rooms that are connected that way that i just think it's an amazing private way um to to spend your last days um with your child and they provide you know everything while you're there and they just they it's amazing i just i think it's amazing um but with that i know we're we're running short on time if we can head over to the proton radiation beam uh this is an all-exclusive look uh that you would not get on a normal tour in person um you know we're very lucky to have this footage of the actual proton radiation beam which is the only proton radiation beam around the world dedicated to kids um you know even for us when we were in treatment um if kids at st jude needed a proton radiation beam they had to be flown to florida to receive that and to stay there uh and you know those days those days are a thing of the past we have our own proton radiation beam ensuring that kids receive the best possible treatment even when it comes to radiation and ricky did you say this is the only proton beam dedicated to pediatrics dedicated to children yes here in the world that i didn't know that that's insane i mean just think about how different kid brains pediatric brain and just the development that they have to go through their brains look totally different from adults so sending them to any other place is just a lot more dangerous and what radiation you have to be so specific with what you're what you're pointed at and the exit points and yeah yeah well i think we we are we're very lucky to have the kind of supporters and the donors that we do have to afford us these these opportunities for our children you know with that uh we'll head over to the next tour stop and we'll see you at the next segment welcome back so we've obviously had the opportunity to see a lot of what goes on inside st jude from a uh from the respect of being a patient seeing the families and obviously seeing the incredible stories of the parents and everything that they've gone through but on the other side of what it takes to be a patient at st jude there's also the research section so what puts the research in st jude's research hospital now i had the really great honor of sitting down with and talking to david j selecky phd david is a researcher or dr selecky is a researcher in the developmental neurobiology department at st jude he's on the faculty at the st jude graduate school of biomedical sciences and we got to speak about why he does the work that he does at st jude why he chooses to do his work at st jude and we also got to talk a little bit about the amazing technology that he and his colleagues use to do the research that they do to get their work done so without further ado here's that video where i got to talk to dr selecky so david as a developmental neurobiologist your research focuses on better understanding brain development how does this fit in with st jude well as you know st jude is focused you know our mission is focused on trying to help children with catastrophic diseases um and it turns out that um you know of course the brain is an is an area where many different type of catastrophic diseases can occur so essentially the lessons that we've learned over the last let's say five or six years is that a catastrophic disease in the child usually is it's usually it's accompanied by a disruption in development so in the case of the brain there's some very specific uh let's say defects that can perturb development so i study a process called neuronal migration and it turns out neurons are born in different regions of the brain and they eventually have to move inside the brain to form a neuronal circuit and if you disrupt that process that can lead to malfunctioning circuits so you can get things like epilepsy or cognitive deficiency and then another thing that i study is a process called neuronal differentiation and that is a process where neurons mature over time so just like and actually this is linked to the process of migration so just like you leave the leave your house to go to university or college that's that's that that's the link to maturation of you it turns out those migrating neurons have to mature before they uh you know move to that final position and so if that maturation process doesn't occur appropriately uh something interesting happens it turns out that neurons continue to divide uh and then that can actually contribute to cancer which is basically a disease where neuron you know where cell types on uh you know sort of uncontrolled uh go undergo under uncontrolled divisions um so those two processes where neurons move and uh you know the maturation linked to that movement uh they're actually tied into two sort of really key catastrophic diseases that's really interesting because basically what i thought that you were going to say was that like and i assume this is from what you were saying a part of that is that your research isn't seeing what cancers can do to the brain but it's actually also the other way in how the brain can actually cause these issues which i guess it makes sense but hearing it like that is is really kind of mind blowing i think yeah i mean just think of it this way our organs and our body including our brain are a black box right they they have processes in which they they form the appropriate structures and in the case of your brain it's a normal circuit but diseases are really when there's a monkey wrench thrown in the normal processes uh that that normally lead to the formation of the brain so you know in order to understand the disease state you actually have to understand how that black box is put together in the first place how long has this kind of research existed for like how long have people been been looking at this type of stuff been thinking in these terms of like actually we need to look inside of us to to see what's going on well believe it or not neuronal the field of neuronal migration is actually quite old uh if you look back in the literature the the first first paper you can find sort of describing the processes that we're studying today actually happened in around the time of the 1860s so it's a it's an ancient you know it you know relatively speaking it's a very old field um you know the problem is over over the course of time uh is that you know people that were first interested in this process they just didn't have the right tools to figure out the mechanisms and so you know we're making of course much much more progress uh these days than we did in the 1860s because we have the appropriate tools to try to understand that block box yeah it was like purely theoretical then really right because there was just there's nothing that they could do i actually want to talk about some of those tools so i understand since you told me about this because i there's no way i would have been able to work this out my own i think you helped saint jude acquire a next generation lattice light sheet microscope also known as an llsm i've said it correctly one time they will now call it lsm and this is for the hospital's neuroimaging lab i think we're all familiar with microscopes right like at some point in school we've looked at a hair under a microscope this is obviously i'm assuming much more capable than that can you tell me a little bit about what an llsm is and how it's used at st jude yeah so modern microscopes are very different from the microscopes that you or i sort of learned on in our eighth grade or you know high school days uh one thing that modern microscopes have in common with those with those microscopes we used in the old days was that they have glass lenses so that's still a functional part of the microscope but uh basically uh it's very different now um so for example one of the things that um that you might have seen in an old style microscope is that you looked into an eyepiece uh now microscopes are actually just very expensive and very fancy digital cameras uh so it's just like your cell phone except uh you know the camera on a microscope probably costs fifty thousand dollars it's a very sophisticated camera uh another thing that um you know if you've looked at the lattice light sheet microscope you would actually think it's a piece of technology from star trek or star wars it looks more like a physics project than a microscope uh you can actually see laser beams uh you know going through various parts of the optical path uh of course it's shielded so that you're not going to get you know a laser beam affecting your eye or something like that so that's very different it's actually the microscope uh lattice light sheet fits on a five foot by six foot air table so it's actually quite large that's almost like two meters squared uh air table um now the components of the microscope are are of course very high tech so have you heard of a spatial light light modulator nope okay i'll rephrase that question have you ever seen top gun or any other type of movie that has an air uh you know an air force pilot yeah so you know when when that you know there's usually these scenes where there's dog fights between the air force pilots there's always that heads-up display that sort of tells them they have and you know this is where the target is essentially what the spatial light modulator is uh it's a it's a it's actually a chip uh just like a computer chip that instead of making computations what it does is it projects light so in the case of the heads-up display uh in a fighter pilot uh fighter you know a cockpit of a fighter plane basically the heads-up display creates the light that is the dashboard of the of the airplane uh in a microscope what the what the spatial light light modulator does is it actually shapes light uh in a very special way so that you can image smaller and smaller objects uh and so it's it's it's it's a really interesting way to take what would normally be sort of a boring laser beam uh and actually shape it in such a way that it can perform the functions of the microscope another thing that's a that's different about microscopes today is that essentially microscopes are robots so they're connected to a computer uh and you can program exactly what you want the microscope to image and then automatically it will it will basically do that so every modern microscope there's always a very powerful computer connected to it is the lattice light sheet a common tool like is this something that exists in in many places or is it a little bit more uh like niche or peculiar yeah it's so it's a very specialized piece of equipment um the first paper that described that this is a publication in a scientific journal that described a lattice light sheet microscope was in 2014 so that was the first generation lattice light sheet uh and there's probably i'd say maybe like 50 of them uh in the united states so they've become more common uh since 2014 the next generation is not a lot though it's not a lot of something it's it's one of those things that um you know either you have to you in the case of the first generation and more so in the case of the second generation lattice light sheet most people that try to try to use one of these microscopes they have to actually assemble it by from scratch so you essentially get a design from the microscope inventor and it's very sophisticated it has computer-aided designs where you actually can see the microscope in 3d on your computer screen and you you physically have to assemble it so it requires a lot of optics expertise and actually a lot of electronics expertise uh to to you know bring this instrument together there are some that are sold commercially now and so there are some companies uh like optics companies like zeiss in germany that are trying to make a very turnkey uh easily accessible version of the technology but you know that's still probably you know another year away so if you if you want to use one of these instruments you need to have some you know you not only need to have the capital uh money to actually buy purchase the components of the components of the instrument but you need someone who has the expertise and optics to put it together well can you give me an example of what you and your colleagues hope to answer with the llsm like what what kind of challenges are you hoping to point out yeah so the the advantages of the lattice light sheet microscope are are threefold so because of that spatial light light modulator chip that i talked about you can actually expose cells to very little light when you image them and so that helps them uh you know essentially stay alive light is toxic to isolated cells or tissues the spatial light modulator chip also can change the the sort of essentially change the pattern of light very quickly and that eventually means that you can you can capture exceptionally dynamic events so you're not only looking at microscopic events you're not only keeping cells alive uh because of the the light dose but you can capture very very dynamic things that are happening in cells so one of the things that we're using it for uh is that during that maturation process it turns out that neurons actually reorganize the dna in their nucleus so essentially they pack and unpack genes that allow them to mature and so we're using a variety of special dyes and uh let's say fluorescent probes to highlight different parts of the genome inside the inside the nucleus of the cell and so we're we're actually using the lattice light sheet to see in live neurons that are undergoing the maturation process how quickly they can pack and repack genes uh in order to make sure that they have the appropriate genes turned on and off for their differentiation process wow that's wild so like it effectively lets you see how live cells are interacting right because it's not killing them off and it's and it's giving you detail into what they're doing exactly which i can imagine if you're trying to see like how can a cell change and how can it mutate and how that can affect something it's incredibly important because seeing a cell that's dead maybe it just doesn't give you the information anymore exactly yeah you can sort of think again let's go back to you know a cell being a black box we we know what some of the parts are we know that they have genes we know that they're doing something but it's incredibly powerful to actually make a video of them doing that process with some of the pieces of the machinery inside the cell highlighted with those dyes and so we can begin to piece together a narrative and understand you know sort of deeply what the mechanisms that are happening when the cells undergo various processes so it's a really powerful approach as a scientist why do you choose to work at st jude i'm sure that there are many institutions around the world that look for somebody who can do what you can do why are you at st jude there's a variety of reasons so um one of the first reasons is that st jude has a very collaborative environment so scientists work together on common or interrelated problems uh and you know actually when i first came to st jude i i was uh i was a postdoc this is the you know the the degree that you get the training you get after a phd but before you start your lab in the place where i did that training um there was actually very little collaboration uh and so when i first came to st june i was like wait these scientists are sharing with each other and they're talking with each other this is like super so that was one of my first impressions that you know was was really you know impressive about st jude another thing is you know clearly we're talking about uh you know dependency to do certain experiments dependency on technology and you know st jude is very forward thinking in how it invests in technology and puts it into the hands of scientists so that was that was great as well and i think the the more impressive thing about st jude is that you really understand what your research is going for so um you know essentially um you know basically patients clinicians and scientists we all should we all share the same cafeteria and so you know on a daily basis we get to see patients and their families and you know really grounds you in understanding you know this is what my research is going for um that's not necessarily the case in like a typical academic institution where you know you're worrying where's my next grant where's my next paper uh you know you know having that immediacy of understanding your you know the impact of your research uh was was something that was really attractive to me yeah i can imagine in a in a different environment that you are quite detached from the end result of the work that you're doing like just the work but being able to be in that environment and seeing how these advancements can actually help the people that are around you i can imagine is is quite a sobering experience and one that is valuable it is it is yeah i mean most if you're in most of the time a scientist may think about the impact of their research when they're writing the first paragraph of their grant or their first paragraph of their you know their research paper uh here we we we live it on on a daily basis which you know i think science is really it's you know in the end it's a service it's a it's a service job we are we are here to provide uh you know provide society with a service of advancing knowledge and so without having that immediacy i think you can be very um you know just as you said you can be isolated or not really know which what the impact is so we had today to continue to try and raise more money for saint jude can you speak to that a little bit like what do the donations of our viewers and people that are out there in our audiences how does that help advance your work sure yeah i'll give i'll give a very specific example so um you know clearly uh scientists need tools to do their job and in my case the tool the tool is microscopes this is very high level technology the donations are absolutely instrumental for putting those for putting those tools in our hands uh you know if you if you take your run-of-the-mill microscope where you're just like looking at cells in a dish without any complications uh that's that type of instrument will cost you know 50 or 60 thousand dollars uh a lattice light sheet instrument is something that you know costs significantly more like you know a mansion uh to to actually be able to deploy that tool uh for research um another place where um where donations help us is actually expertise so uh many of the high level sort of skilled people that know how to build microscopes or know how to do very specialized techniques um you know most universities don't have the the funds available uh to keep those people employed so you know essentially um you know if you were to start let's say a microscopy shared resource in an academic setting um you know essentially you have to find the people that will work in the facility and you have to eventually you know figure out ways to uh keep those people employed and you have to keep you know have to have appropriate amounts of equipment there uh in st jude we have obviously a very dependable sort of funding stream where you know we we set up a shared resource like for lattice light sheet in an academic institution you know what they'd immediately have to do is start charging money for the use of that instrument to essentially pay for the instrument and pay for the people that staff the instrument and so they have a dependable funding stream from donations actually allows us to recruit very talented people uh that actually can put these instruments together and keep them running um and so that's something that's that you know that goes hand in hand uh the tools and the people that can operate the tools so we have an audience um of very technologically minded people who i'm sure having listened to this would actually like to learn more is there some way that you're able to direct people like if they want to follow what's going on in science and technology at st jude and that kind of stuff where would you recommend that they go well there's our st jude research twitter feed um that you know basically if you if you peruse that every time an interesting paper comes out uh that the the the social media department will will communicate that to the world i have i have a twitter feed if people are interested in neuronal migration and you know i quite frequently post uh when when a new paper is going to come out from my lab or when we have sort of an exciting uh exciting advance but just like you thank you so much for your time and your work it's been an absolute pleasure talking to you okay thank you appreciate it pleasure talking to you as well you hello how's it going uh yeah good it's a lot of balloons in here now i see that uh how many are in there how many uh-huh and he doesn't know she's she's checking it's an unknown number 605 oh that's awesome i have some names to read off okay uh we have uh jeff and ellen donating thank you very much asterik nation i feel like people are just again i can't help they're trolling casey or they love him maybe both no that this is the name i i came up with it now asterisk nation that's what we call the casey fans okay uh eric and nick and shelby and gabriel and mike thank you all so much for donating we are now officially ahead of where we were last year for the podcast we have raised more money during this year's podcast athon than we raised during last year's podcast athon which is incredible thank you all so much for joining us this evening mike i really enjoyed the interview you just did sometimes i have experiences with people where i realize that they are much smarter than i am and i had that while watching that and so i'm sure i'm sure you did too but uh tell us a little bit about the interview like what did you walk away with that uh still sort of on your mind now several days later well i think well one there's technology out there in the world that i couldn't even fathom to understand um two that the the work that people like dr seleki does is incredibly important but also incredibly expensive you know like you could kind of get a sense that maybe that like he he was maybe even a little shy to say how much technology like that costs uh but when you got the idea of like oh people you can't even buy them built somebody has to come and build it for you oh it kind of suggests that this stuff is incredibly expensive um and then the other thing just it's just like as i mentioned in the interview um just thinking about the fact that like your own brain can be the the catalyst for a cancer makes sense when you say it but i'd never considered that before sure so understanding the science behind that and researching into it will hopefully continue to unlock more treatments more cures um and and more more paths to cures yeah absolutely oh so you're back in balloon balloon i can't say it balloon room balloon it's just balloon of an m on the end okay so you're in balloon with an m on the end uh we were sent a care package from our friends at st jude and uh yeah included st jude balloons that's exciting i have some st jude balloons that's good that's awesome so you feel like you're up to your you're past your knee a little bit it looks like well you see this is the problem for some reason the balloons move away from me so away from me right now they're up to my waist but like over there but when i go over here they all move over over there that is not a problem i anticipated before the podcastathon no no well i mean i don't really think it's something that you tend to think about but but there are you know less safe to say there is a lot of balloons in here my friend yeah they as you can see yeah well the uh the performer 6400 is also filling up we're about to the top of the window so we'll fly up no no fire uh so we will continue filling this up as the evening goes on uh i need to catch up a little bit so put some more some more of these bouncy balls in here i hope someone out there's watching was on the performer team and they're amused and not horrified at what i've done to their computer oh i heard that it's scary and very loud scary every single time they do seem to go off randomly like it's never one that i've like it's not like i step on it and it explodes it just tends to be one that's like near me is it are they like closer to the top or closer to the bottom or can you tell is this information i have no idea well in case people want to replicate this at home yeah yeah i don't know don't try this at home is what we're saying i will say i said this to adina during our break as we were filling up this room with more and more balloons absolutely no regrets this is perfect like the way that this whole balloon room has taken shape however i am looking at it and thinking how on earth do we get rid of these i think you just have to give up on your lease and move your office yeah just walk away just say like you remember that security deposit we paid it's yours now but also there's 600 balloons that you have to deal with yeah man yeah i kind of i had that thought uh coming to campus like if something happens and all these bouncy balls are in my truck like i don't know what to do i just i just walk away you said to me you would just drive your car off the road and leave it yeah i just like leave it in the river so um so we are coming up on our next uh facial hair milestone but a couple of fun things have happened so uh we have unlocked the the rest of the pokemon game with me you and vatici so we will do that we'll get that on the calendar um and at 280 000 uh this will go away thankfully and you know it's the one time in my life where a mustache is an improvement so i'm very excited about that yeah we're getting pretty close to that now i think so i don't feel like you're not aware how good you look in a mustache it's always an improvement because you look great in that mustache so i'm happy that once a year at least we get a mustache out of you i did a mustache at first for a while in quarantine because i wasn't going anywhere but i like the mustache look you know so uh so please donate and we can get rid of this and i can be uh unlocked to my true form i'm evolving like a pokemon like we learned earlier who knew hey why don't um before we move on to the next segment okay uh why don't we give a some some uh updates as to what else we've got throughout the evening okay yeah i'm gonna go back to the the table so i can look at my schedule very carefully because we have we have some great uh content we even have some fantastic guests still lined up for the rest oh i have i have some good news we have crossed 280 000 so i will be shaving whatever these are called getting rid of those unbelievable i just want to say we're at 280 000 right now which is unbelievable really is it's so awesome this year 315 000 that's the goal it's not that far how close can we get to that i want to know got it we're gonna get close um so we uh so up next on the schedule you want a schedule update we're going to show the rest of jason's game which i had skimmed yeah but i have i didn't see all of it so i was in the break room watching it and really enjoyed it um and then uh i will talk with christina warren about some mac stuff and towards the end of the evening we'll be joined by quinn rose and we will take part in the second annual co-founder quiz which we did last year at our fifth anniversary show in san francisco and uh i didn't win i didn't win i lost i think you have an unfair advantage this time how is that so it will i think be past midnight for me when the quiz begins hmm it feels like an unfair advantage is what i'm going to say well i have my brain power and the brain power of a giant cardboard cut out of you so i feel like i'm pretty good it's a second second advantage uh so yeah so i'm going to go uh get rid of the rest of this and just come back with a mustache after i'm down to a mustache you can vote with your donations save or shave and uh i think save is going to overwhelmingly overwhelmingly win so we are uh we're coming right along and uh i think we're going to show the rest of jason's game and we'll be back in a few minutes if you're just joining us we're playing a dumb game and our contestants are finding things that begin with the letter s and they have they have a very small amount of time to do that and they're going to bring them back and then we're going to have very small rooms in which to do how many they can hold in their hands five four three okay hands up hands up everybody hold your stuff up in your hands all right okay put them in the bowl all right so this task is complete now and just to point out some of the highlights that happened while they were collecting um betty provided us with 35 individual socks that's yes that is an odd number i don't know there's always one missing uh flo provided us with 10 items shelly provided us with nine items um david provided us with 10 smartphones and 184 stickers which he counted and one and stuck one to him so i think this is pretty straightforward dan david gets five betty gets four flo gets three shelly gets two uh jason would you like to know the scores i would i'd love to know the scores more than anything okay um we've got a a cluster of three at the top uh and there is a fourth player as well uh so shelly has seven points flo has 11 points and then neck and neck for the lead betty has 13 points but david smith has 14 points right now oh okay well it's it's it's very exciting it's very in the end david will be covered with 184 stickers yeah i'm looking forward to that that's all part of this uh the service that we provide to saint jude dan what's our next task well shall i compare the next task to a summer's day jason for it is not anything like that but it is involving poetry oh and so we have enlisted our friend simone de rochefort from rocket for a poetic task as you may or may not know poetry has a long history it dates back to prehistoric times and it has always been a vital part of human culture today you are going to contribute to that legacy uh i actually have a poem to read to you i'll do it now it's relay fm raising money for saint jude somehow game shows help now that's a haiku i'm going to ask you to write a haiku for me about saint jude you have one minute to get your thoughts together but you cannot look up anything about the rules of haiku i don't know how syllables work it's one of my like personal hang-ups but i will do my best to and this is a particular hell for you isn't this is particularly challenging yes i'm probably gonna get the um wrong i forgot what it's called all right think about hospitals if i remember uh let me see if i remember seventh grade when we did this okay okay this is the worst haiku ever hit me saving kids lives is what they do so many stories of recovery children need help relay is there with you saint jude is helping kids so help us raise the funds saint jude is so great it helps kids get better yay i love it so much all right wow poetry poetry music to my ears music to my ears jason would you like to know a little bit about the form the haiku that we asked them to write yes yes it is a type of short form poetry originally from japan traditionally it consists of three phrases that contain a kiri g or cutting word 17 on which is a type of japanese phoneme i just knew that off the top of my head in a five syllable seven syllable five syllable pattern and they generally have some form of seasonal reference in them uh but of course our panelists did not know that no they didn't know that at all i didn't learn that did you count the syllables do you have syllable counts for me dan i do have some syllable counts for you uh shelly had eight syllables five syllables and five more syllables david went for a bold four syllable four syllable two syllables just a little zinger at the end there flow had six syllables three syllables and three syllables and betty nailed it with five syllables seven syllables and five syllables yay that's it modern haikus and haikus written in english are often very widely so i would say it's up to your discretion how uh harsh or lenient you would like to be in this situation well everybody knows that i'm very lenient um betty gets five points because she nailed it in all ways i i also want to highlight there one of the keys of writing a haiku which is adding in nonsense syllables as she did in her second line when she just added yay plus it was enthusiastic i felt good about it i love it uh so betty betty gets five points um flow 17 does anyone else have even close i was trying to see if anybody else was even close to 17 the right number of syllables well uh shelly had 18 syllables that's close david had well i mean it's close if you if if you count did i say closest day the right number of syllables you did not that's fair i'm gonna give flow four points because flow mentioned saint jude which shelly and david somehow neglected to do in their poetry about saint jude david did point out the children need help he did he did i'm gonna give shelly three points because she came the closest in uh actual syllable count even though that's not a thing david gets two points for showing up um all right let's move on to our next task dan well jason it's another live task that's going to require them to do a little work in the place that they are right now we would like you to find a cable any kind of cable you have two minutes the second longest cable among you will win your time starts now all right uh david what was your cable it is one of those uh i don't even know it's an apple power cable this end goes into the the wall ward thing and this end goes into the wall okay apple power cable uh dan how long uh david's cable was 74 inches long the average man's thumb is 2.74 inches so his was 27.007 thumbs excellent okay great shelly what was your cable my cable and i should preface this by saying that i have a giant cable box here in my office behind me which my husband keeps telling me to empty my cable is a 20 foot ethernet cable i'm gonna lose but it's the first thing i grab 20 feet jason uh that is 1 15th i believe of a football field so okay what is it in thumbs good i who cares about thumbs that's a disturbing question to ask david why would you ask that well what what was your cable um it is this really cute hot pink usb type c uh zap cable that i got with my magic girl dsa uh key caps did you measure it like not extended or did you stretch out the little curly part i measured it not i did not stretch out the curly end all right yeah that's an interesting strategy in cable link well how long was that keeping in mind flow did measure this in paper i did uh well flow flow says that she measured it in at 74.5 inches which is i don't know if the point five is right just fyi that's 27.189 thumbs jason so slightly more thumbs than david thumbs and betty what was your cable uh mine is a i don't know what this is called uh audio mail cable yeah an rca cable that um from from from this from a speaker speaker that's what it's called it starts with an s um wasn't in my hand wasn't in your bowl no no uh that's what it is okay and how long dan well uh it was 23.55 percent of the distance from the home plate to the pitcher's mound or 171 inches 171 inches so um by my calculations that means betty just won this task that's because shelly had the longest cable and betty had the second longest cable my my pleasure losing is what i do for the rest of you shelly's 20 foot cable is 240 inches followed by 171 for betty 74.5 inches for flow and 74 inches for david all right now i'm going to answer david's question about how the scoring works flow and shelly get four points and david gets three points that's how this that's how it works and betty i went i went out i radiated out from the winner in both directions what's our next task dan jason coming up is a task no using nope too late i used the letter well we'll let we'll let rosemary orchard the host of automators explain exactly what they had to do on this one so i'm going to give you a quiz dramatic music it's five questions each of which is worth one point oh my gosh okay you must never use the letter e when answering if you say a word containing the letter e at any point you will not get that point for that question you must never use the letter e when answering okay like i i can use e you i'm afraid if you say a word containing the letter e at any point you don't get that point just to be clear they were all asked five questions the same five questions and if the answer contained an e it was invalid so uh yeah let's take a look name a smartphone samsung galaxy samsung samsung galaxy s7 wait a minute okay next question identify a podcast hosted by john syracuse wait a minute i don't i don't know john's uvra very well i can't wiki this so i might have to pass i don't know i think i can think of two but they have ease in them well there is another one robot or not i want to say atp okay next up you need to identify a or name a country in north america canada canada canada canada identify the co-hosts of connected uh they're the founders i don't actually know the answer to this one b-i-t-i-c-c-i italian ismh mac fan and i-m-y-k facial hair and your final question if you're ready for it is to name four vowels a a a o i i i u o o i u u a i had to think i had to go through the whole pattern in my head david what's wrong with you in vowels that's what i want to know they're hard everybody else did in the the normal way and you kind of did it the hard way you took i thought you were gonna leave it at we so uh yeah we uh so so uh david and flo you want to complain about seven having two e's in it yes because the official branding editing and copy editing the galaxy s7 is the number seven yes but the word seven has two e's in it you see that's the problem with that uh it's a numeral what if it wasn't another language i should have replied it's the numeral seven the day in the numeral seven most tragic because you had it you literally you had it and then you're like seven um dan by my scoring this is uh four to shelly david and betty and two to flow that seems right all right straightforward i think we have time for one last live task a live task all right well everybody get ready for the final task of the show it's another live task we would like you to find a song on a music music streaming service but not just any song we want you to find the longest song that you can and you will have 100 seconds in which to do that and your time will begin now all right uh dan we uh we have some long long songs here these are the kind of songs you if you're a dj in the 70s you put this song on and you can go to the bathroom while it plays that's the kind of song or maybe not or maybe more i don't know let's depends on how long these songs are all right well who would you like to start with how about shelly what does shelly get for us shelly picked alice's restaurant which i believe is according to the the apple music version i found alice's restaurant massacre is that right yeah i think so yeah okay by arlo guthrie uh which i think your mic is off again too who can't hear shelly i didn't say anything oh okay okay she's thinking i mumbled in distinct all right all right uh which by my estimates uh or my my apple music is 18 minutes and 37 seconds wow wow good job that is you can get anything you want at alice's restaurant except you have to wait 18 minutes for another song yeah all right what about betty uh betty picked a uh a classic rock song pink floyd uh their song dogs which is a hefty 17 minutes and five seconds but not as long as alice's restaurant oh so long though so long how about flow flow picked a song i had never heard of uh entitled cemetery is that correct did i get the right one by strung out yes it is six minutes and six seconds so i don't know i feel like that's a um it's a decent decent that's what came first to mind what can i say and i i i'm afraid to ask david what did david pick jason i'm gonna need a ruling on this one uh i could not find this in apple music but uh oh i did i found it in apple okay okay you want me to say it it's it's called it it's called white noise three hours long by white noise therapy and it is in fact three hours and 28 seconds long now is that a song jason what if i calls it a song it says one song in the album and it's three hours long i have that in my personal playlist one it's a song you couldn't go with just a flaming lip song come on you asked for the longest the longest song i could find in spotify that is the longest song i could find i would argue it might be it might be noise i don't know if it's a song hey hey what music some people say some music is noise that's right yeah oh well david has made it really hard because i'm gonna have to make a judgment here um i'm gonna give shelley five points i'm gonna give betty four points and i'm gonna give flow three points and david gets two points and that's me being nice because you really should have no points but i'll give you two points for because i love that you found a three hour long thing even though i would not call it a song so that's the last time i calls it a song i mean what well i don't listen to spotify i don't care what they have the host i decide and that white noise not a song it's not a song and one of the final scores well jason we ended up with a three close three cluster at the end the downside uh shelley had 23 points flo had 24 points david had 25 points but betty with 31 points has walked away with it all oh my god what do i get it was the socks wow and you beat the guy with the stickers betty chen you get the glory of being the first and probably only ever winner of relay fm host master let's hear it for betty i get lots of stickers that says host master david has several hundred for you get on have somebody can make a nice drawing of you and send it and i want to thank all of you for doing doing a large number of ridiculous tasks both here and in advance thank you so much again it's for charity it's for charity i assure you it's for charity so thank you to shelly and betty and flo and david congratulations to betty uh and thank you to dan for being my assistant thank you so much thanks dan and that's it for relay fm host master i've been your host jason snell thank you for watching good night so welcome back to balloon send you.org slash relay uh i want to extend a massive massive thank you to jason and dan and betty and shelly and underscore and flow for putting their time in as well as uh all of our wonderful uh guests simone uh and julia um i feel like i'm forgetting someone which we feel terrible i feel like there's there was one more person in the oh alex alex as well how could i forget alex thank you so much to everyone uh who helped put that wonderful game show together um i am here in balloon it is 645 balloons and it is 10 to midnight right now which feels like the perfect time to be standing amongst a bunch of balloons uh my partner in crime steven hacker is nowhere to be found hello michael hello hello hi i'm here so underscore may not have one host master but i'm not sure if you're aware he's viral on tiktok right now i saw a tweet about that yeah i guess widget smith has been picked up by the influencers that is actually exactly what has happened yes that's cool which is a very interesting thing to happen there is a an individual on tiktok who is post using uh widget smith to make their home screen look nicer and it's actually they're very they're very good videos but they've been viewed millions upon millions of times which is kind of incredible so that's where underscore is in his life right now that is incredible i should comment about this i kind of got tired of feeling like you were looking over my shoulder so i replaced you with me i just noticed that yeah the thing is that me and you are similar enough uh that it can be difficult to notice at first glance well only one of us has a mustache so there's that well do you have a mustache right now i've got to go close to the monitor so i can see okay so it's still there uh it's there for now do you want to explain uh and i think we have a graphic to help explain how people can decide whether that thing's staying or it's going to be shaved that's right so when people donate there'll be an option uh a poll where you can select your vote to save the mustache so i keep it the rest of the month or shave in which case it goes away at the end of the podcastathon currently shave has it by a pretty large margin so if you are pro mustache and you're tired of being put down vote with your money save the mustache and it's worth noting that i think it's every dollar is a vote so if you're super close to my face that's good that's good that's good get it in there if it's not the corner of my eye against it the more money you give the more votes it equals so say or shave saintju.org slash relay oh oh god oh michael so how many balloons are in your balloon balloons 645 steven hackett hey you promised us a snow angel and balloons how are you feeling about that doing that now uh all right hold on i need to get rid of the microphone okay down so i don't ever find it again all right so mike is put down he's working on putting down his microphone and he's going to do a snow angel and the balloons honestly who hasn't had this dream all right fiddling with the tripod this is going to be fantastic i hope i've really built this up in my mind over the last five hours we will see oh look at that oh gosh oh he's gone oh that's very good saintju.org slash relay make mike's dreams come true and help fight childhood cancer all the same donation wow he's really going for it hey buddy uh if you're out there please send me gifts i need gifts i'm not sitting down in here more yeah it's gonna hang out there that's fantastic why don't you go talk to our next guest and i'll take a little nap in my balloon bed okay i'm a little worried you need some space around your face so you can breathe okay i don't want you to suffocate in there all right well mike's oh no he's gone he's gone under all right so i'm going to be uh joined by a very special guest christina warren is the co-host of rocket here on relay fm i first heard of christina many years ago when she was writing on the apple b and i've always looked up to her uh she's a real hero a nerd journalism hero of mine so i'm looking forward to talking with her we're going to talk about the mac so that's why mike is hiding he doesn't like the mac he's an ipad boy and uh oh he's thinking that really makes me nervous please don't go all the way under goodbye mike's gone uh hey christina how are you for you i'm great oh what are you holding i'm holding because we're gonna talk about the mac i'm i'm holding an iMac pillow that's very good that's way softer than an actual iMac it is it is i also have a finder pillow and i have i have the whole collection but these were just the ones that were near me so that's fantastic yeah i have a giant carbo cut out of my own head so i love it for me i love it um also what's this what's that oh it's out of frame i have a performa 6400 that i'm filling up with bouncy balls see perfect perfect and i i just i don't i just donated a thousand dollars uh thank you so that you can shave the the mustache oh you you voted for shave come on i thought we were friends okay yeah we are we are oh that's why oh wow see well i gotta say uh save is making a comeback so we'll just see how that goes okay no no shave shave you have like get rid of it uh yeah but save is coming back i want to say oh god you want to say got it you're team safe all right fine uh so it's an interesting time for the mac and i want to talk to you about that as a fellow long-term mac uh user and watcher it feels like we're right on the edge of this big transition with apple silicon the intel era is closing uh i wanted to see what you were excited about what you're looking forward to as apple moves to this new architecture in this transition well i mean i'm the weirdo who just spent five thousand dollars on an intel mac so you know like uh yeah there's everybody's like don't do it don't do it i'm like no but this will be the last one and there might be some things that i don't know how long um it'll be until i can do them but putting that aside i think really what's exciting about apple silicon is you know we saw a little bit this week at the you know ipad announcement i think just thinking about the potential of how much power we might be able to get in in mobile devices and what type of battery life we might be able to get to is really exciting and um yeah i mean i'm just really excited to see like what apple's gonna do with its own chips and there are parts of me i'm not gonna lie that are concerned and are a little bit worried about not not concerned with about apple's prowess or their ability more about like how long is it going to take some of our applications and some of our workflows to catch up but i i think that uh this is really exciting i mean really exciting stuff is happening with risk architecture in general so um i i'm looking forward to potentially being able to have something that's like as powerful as an iMac but in something that's as lightweight as a macbook like you know before they got rid of that they'll bring it back so yeah that's exciting to me yeah i think it is i should say the lights changed over my shoulder i'm sure everybody noticed that uh that is because it is now 6 p.m central so we are working our way towards the end of the podcastathon if you haven't given yet now's a great time stjude.org slash relay um yeah i agree with you the software it's important because apple doesn't control that right they can make the the best arm mac the best new notebook whatever but developers aren't there that's a problem and they have of course rosetta which they used uh in the power pc to intel transition but part of this is things being left behind right it seems like running windows through bootcamp isn't at least available right now some developers won't make the jump um and this comes on what two or three i guess by the time it's out maybe two to three years after catalina killed a bunch of 32-bit software and i'm curious what you think about apple sort of moving the ball forward so aggressively they really seem to be pushing the mac into the future with a really heavy fist behind it do you think that's the right call it's it's it's always a tough um decision here right because i think apple is one of the few companies that can actually move things forward and so in that since i actually think it's important that they do because when you are sort of beholden to always supporting legacy things that can introduce a whole bunch of problems um you know windows 10 is actually getting really really good but you know when it comes time for them to modernize certain parts of windows 10 they have to almost like rip it out and like add as like a secondary you know modular system back into it like the they just recently released a um the the windows terminal which is actually really fantastic but it's a separate installation uh that you have to they have to add in because if they were to go back and update you know the the command line and kind of like the built-in power shell tools that are a core part of windows nuclear reactors would break so there's there's like a genuinely like that that's actually like not a joke and so you know so i think on the one hand um there's something to be said about being able to continue to support things from the back from the past and letting both your users and your developers still rely on those tools and those applications on the other hand i do think that if you do actually want people to move forward apple is probably the only company that can really kind of force people to go in that direction i think the challenge with apple silicon and we just don't know enough right now is are there going to be certain things in people's workflows and i'm not just talking about boot camp because i think that that people will you know find other ways around but but for things like virtualization things like docker and containers and various workflows for developers i'm not really talking about end users so much here if those things aren't there i think that's a problem um so so part of me is kind of you know uh it's a little bit of i do think that uh more and more people will catch up and will kind of follow apple's lead but i think the elephant in the room that we don't talk about are two things one obviously the big push with uh apple silicon and with big sur and going on beyond that is going to be the fact that you can very easily and seamlessly run an ios app on your mac and the distinction between the two platforms is going to get even less clear right but the second thing is i think the web where increasingly that's where a lot of us do a lot of our work and so if the web we see that as kind of the central platform that does raise some questions about like well how important is it for me to have a really great mac experience if i just should focus on on a web experience that'll work great on a mac or on an ipad or on a phone or whatever uh so you know i think that that's maybe the thing that if you go too fast you risk having a bunch of software not show up because they choose to show up in other ways you know like i think the worst case scenario and i don't think this will happen but i think like the worst case scenario would be you have some really great mac apps and the developer doesn't want to go through the process of having to update it for apple silicon they have an ios or you know an ipad app already that does most of the same things and they just say you know what i have more users on that platform anyway i'm just going to make that the one app right and just move it over exactly and i think that would be that would not be a great experience that that's the worst case scenario but i think the best case scenario would be you could potentially be bringing in new developers who've never thought about the mac before and might actually start to develop and think about that and maybe even decide that they want to have some like truly really great native experiences or you know have people kind of reinvigorated again by by getting excited about the possibilities what they might be able to do with you know what the new hardware allows for so i think it's good all in all i'm hopeful i guess yeah i am too and i can't help but think bringing ipad apps and iphone apps to these new max basically unaltered i mean you have catalysts which is you can kind of like tune them up and macify them a little bit more and that'll make them run on intel but i can't help but think that move is almost a move against the web coming in and taking over like native app development where if they say for those developers that maybe aren't even the case that you brought up where they've got a kind of a mac app that's sort of on its last legs and they just replace it right there's gonna be a lot of developers who they can target the mac for the first time because they didn't learn the old ways compared to ios of developing on top of mac os 10 and then mac os i've showed my age mac os 10 but so i do think like there's there's some churn there maybe but i am nervous about maybe what that user experience will be like for especially for iphone apps we just haven't seen what that's going to look like is it going to be a bunch of like little rectangles and like we just don't know at least ipad apps will maybe i think feel a little bit better for a bigger screen yeah like i think ipad apps will go over pretty seamlessly iphone yeah that's going to be really interesting to look at and look i've been i've been expecting this for years i don't care how many times apple says it won't happen but just you look at big sir you look at you know potentially the different types of form factors they could bring out like a touch screen that mac is coming i i don't care what anybody says it's coming and and i honestly think that's the only way you can kind of bring some of those experiences over in a really good way i don't think that just because you know the the ipad has a pointer support now cursor support whatever they call it you know that doesn't that's not the same as as it's still a touch first device and so those applications are still going to be touch first and so i i do actually and and that's actually something i'm kind of excited about is as i'm excited to see what a touch mac experience will be like i don't think that it'll be the same as as other platforms that have gone in that direction i think that apple will do something different with it but i i fully expect it to happen um i mean the the size of the widgets and the icons and big sir alone you know i'm sorry like it's perfectly time it's perfectly sized to my finger i just want to touch it on my on my iMac all the time yeah there's a mile between every menu bar item on pixar unfortunately um yeah i think you're totally right i mean people like to bring out that old quote that will say no touch your arm is going to fall off um that was from a different era and apple already sells a computing device that that's how you operate and the ipad pro with the and now the ipad air with the magic keyboard it's like these are the same mechanisms i agree with you that maybe the approach will be different but it's like apple's already doing it this isn't a bridge they haven't crossed yet right and and apple is very famous for going back on its word you know we'll never have you know an ipad you know many right never have uh never never get into you know the music business yeah you know the ipad the ipod wouldn't have video you know never get into phones i mean it's wrong until it becomes right and i think that also we just have to face reality that most people now their primary computing device is their phone and so our primary way of interfacing with devices is through touch and it would seem you know like short-sighted to me to not even consider a way how could we bring that experience to different types of screens too it's it's sort of the cousin to the ipod halo effect where hey i've got an ipod it's really cool when it's time to buy a notebook for college maybe i'll go get an ibook because this ipod works really well and it'll kind of drive it almost feels like they're trying that but in a new way it's like we have all this software all these apps you really like let's uh move them onto the mac and so if you go and buy a macbook air for college you can have those experiences on all of your devices even if people like us it isn't the experience maybe we would want or that we're used to i kind of think we're we're in the minority of importance where apple's looking at these other customers who say you know who are iphone first ipad first and well when you need something a bit more because the mac could do all this stuff above iphone and ipad apps but this gets you in the door i think that's going to be powerful for a lot of consumers no i agree i agree you know you know it's funny so my mom who used to be completely tech phobic like she used to be really afraid of technology and now she's amazing with technology and it started honestly with the ipad uh she got a macbook pro before she got the ipad she got it in like december of 2009 um and um uh no actually she got it she no she got the ipad first and so i got her an ipad in august of 2010 so first year it was out she still had a dumb phone she still had a razor she loved her ipad and it opened up a whole new world with her and really got her comfortable with computing she then went to the mac she still prefers her ipad she then got an iphone now she has not just airpods but airpods pro and she's she what she does is if she wakes up in the middle of the night and the battery is dead on her airpods pros she'll just grab her airpods so she can continue to listen to a book but it's changed her whole computing experience she's one of those people who's come in through that way and and whereas you know yeah i do think people like you and i are we're not really the focus and and i've had to become kind of okay with that you know and i've had to kind of accept um or prepare myself for maybe this won't be the case but i've prepared myself for like the future of what the mac looks like is going to be different for me and the way that i use my mac is going to be different and i've had to become okay with that you know for better or worse because i think that people like my mom and people like you know kids today who have never they don't know what not a touchscreen is you know they're like they play with you know video games and they you know interact with with all kinds of things going on at once and they all they've always had a phone um this is going to be their entryway and and that's that's exciting to to think about too because we've all got a volume and if it means people like you and i might not get as much attention as long as i still have a terminal and as long as i can still have access to nerd out on things even if it's not like super user like accessible then i'm i'm okay uh if if they were to lock down you know mac os the way that they've locked down ios it would be having a different conversation but that's actually been the thing that's been encouraging to me about the uh you know um developer uh kit you know previews and the stuff that we've seen with the big sir from wwdc is that it's like yeah they're not making it super easy to get information but it's also not as locked down as i thought it would be and that actually is is pretty reassuring for for us geeks yeah i don't envy trying to make that balance work right of having people like us who are power users who want to get in deep and tinker with stuff and and honestly need to tinker with stuff for our workflows to work i mean yeah just right now this macbook pro is doing all sorts of crazy audio and video routing that i could do because i know how to get in there and like make stuff happen as a as opposed to bringing these other apps and apple's got to find that balance but i just find it so interesting that the mac is sort of coming this way and the ipad is coming this way the ipad becomes more powerful more capable the software becomes more complex and maybe the max like they're moving to the middle and i just i just don't know what that means yeah no i mean i i to me i've i it was funny i i years ago i kind of predicted i was like we're gonna see the merger of ios and and mac os and they're gonna finally call it mac os 11 and sure enough like that's what big sir is going to be called under apple silicon and i'm not claiming that it's a true merger but yeah i do think that there are very good questions about what is the difference between buying an ipad pro and getting you know a macbook um and i think that when apple silicon comes out that's going to be even less clear but again that doesn't have to be a bad thing like it's it's difficult for people like us to adjust to things changing and we're curmudgeons and we're not the old people and we don't like change but it doesn't mean that there aren't really cool things that could come out of it too and what i hope happens is that the best parts of both can kind of you know evolve themselves but yeah i mean the the line it's so blurry you know at this point i i you know i'm in meetings a lot now i'm working from home and i'm using my ipad increasingly you know as kind of like my my meetings and always on kind of video conferencing device like that's a really good use case for it whereas before that would be what i would use my laptop for and and i'm doing other stuff on my laptop or on my iMac um but but i've got you know but my ipad with the magic uh keyboard is is kind of set up as my as my meetings device and go to communications tool and honestly even even a year ago that really would not have been possible the way that it is now and which is great to think about that what might things be like a year from now you know yeah yeah the magic keyboard is to change the game for a lot of people i think because it makes the ipad more of a traditional device if you want it you know it's it's not it's an expensive option but it's it's optional whereas some people just don't want a notebook right they don't want this they want something that's more flexible and the ipad can meet those needs um organized thank you for joining me uh thank you for supporting st jude it's been a lot of fun to to talk about mac stuff there's a lot of mac stuff coming this year um i was telling somebody the other day that and all this wildness with the events and everything it's fun that we don't know what's happening and then we get to conjecture for a while no i agree i'm really glad that all the leakers and all like the liars on reddit have been so wrong because it reminds me of like the time before everything was so like because we've known for a while now right like it's kind of patent i'm like god bring back the crazy apple rumor stuff that's actually sort of fun i kind of miss those days so yeah i'm with you i'm excited to to see i'm excited that we don't know what's going to be happening with the mac for the rest of the year but we know we're going to see a bunch of great stuff well thank you for joining me thanks for thanks for having me and um everyone everyone go to uh go to st jude.org slash relay is that the url that is the url go there and and donate because this is a great cause and um uh make sure that stephen shaves that thing off his face oh come on yeah the the the votes are against me right now um all right it was good seeing you thank you seeing you too bye bye all right so uh i'm joined by my own giant cardboard head and i think we're going to have uh mike hurley come on we'll do a quick donation update and then uh we're going to wrap up the virtual tour oh no hi where are you hi oh my gosh that's terrifying oh hang on can you hear the echo when i talk in here wait hi oh yeah that's that's wild hello oh man uh have you been in there the whole time did you get out i don't want to say okay uh well look we're at two hundred and ninety thousand dollars unbelievable it's unreal uh we are heading towards the end of the podcastathon we are yeah i'm going to put out a challenge i want us to hit the 315 and uh and maybe we just uh really push people to that and just get this done what do you think we can do it we can totally do it that is a very bold challenge that's bold and i thought you were gonna go uh but yeah so get out your wallets get out your credit cards go to stjude.org slash relay that's right donate right now let's do this thing do it all right so uh up next we have the final section of our virtual tour and then we have our co-founders quiz with quinrose uh well enrique thank you for the tour how are we doing on shave and save hospital we haven't been in in a long time and i think showing everybody watching why st jude is a special place is is unique i'm honored we got to do this today uh as we said at the beginning the four of us our families we've been friends for a long time our stories have intertwined for a long time um and i'd love for y'all to share a little bit more about your journey yeah no thanks for having us and you know thanks for letting us be a part of it uh for the second year in the in a row this is exciting uh stuff and you know i have to say before we get started on sharing our story that as a family we're extremely proud of you guys uh for doing this uh because you know not everybody uh comes back and does successful big fundraisers like you have you know you don't you're we don't necessarily look at you as a patient family anymore but we look at you as part of the family uh and make being a major partner now of st jude and supporter uh potentially a donor yeah i mean that's thanks to all the relay fm listeners out there i mean it's it's y'all watching who make that possible like i just you know i get the gold star from enrique but it's it belongs to everybody thanks yeah no it's it's a it's awesome to everybody thank you guys all so much but yeah like you said we actually met in 2009 when we uh came to the hospital for the first time uh in august of 2000 2009 i don't think we met uh too long after we got there um but yeah ariana was actually three years old when we found out she had a brain tumor uh while we were stationed in japan like i said uh just a little while ago um but leticia loves telling the story so i'm gonna let her kind of lead us in because i i do this all the time for work so i love hearing leticia talk and sharing our story so i'm gonna let her do it um but yes we did we uh started off at a different hospital in texas and once we found out what type of cancer she had uh saint jude was the leading um hospital on that type of tumor which was a typical teratoid rhabdoid tumor atrt um it was one of the rarest uh forms of childhood cancer at the time it was seen 30 times in the world about 30 times in the world also a lot of times with brain tumors the longer the name the worse the diagnosis right seems like fun fact it's more and more specific like it yeah um but i remember just the night before just feeling i was like we have to get there we have to get there and so um the next day we had a meeting with the doctors and i was like i just i want to go to saint jude i appreciate everything you've done here but it's time for us to to move on and we got in our car i didn't even know there was like an acceptance process or anything like i didn't know doctors had to like send referrals or i just started driving i'm like we'll camp out up front we'll go through like the er they'll confirm there's a tumor and then they'll treat her and on our way here uh dr gajar was the person i had read the most on who was the head of neurology and neuro-oncology and e-clinic and so i i was reading and reading and reading on in my phone rang and they were like can i speak to the parents of ariana and i was like this is their mom and it was dr gajar and i literally my mouth dropped and you would have thought it was like brad pitt calling our phone i was so excited and we met him at the hospital that evening um and it really did it was um intense in the beginning 10 months of treatment high dose chemo we she did a bone marrow rescue of her own cells and um it was it was a tiny little thing but man she was fierce the first time and we she was diagnosed uh disease-free in march of 2010 and we went on our make-a-wish and celebrated her fourth birthday we had just celebrated her third birthday in disney japan and so we celebrated her fourth birthday at disney orlando and unfortunately 15 months later uh she she relapsed and there wasn't a drug at the time and so she was given six months and it really was a need for me to try and solve this puzzle that to me didn't make sense and with me and the doctors and i researched everything we could and we found a new drug that we had to fight the fda on and we used as compassionate use and we were two years in and she was doing great um but unfortunately we knew with this type of cancer that as soon as it got angry it was gonna go downhill real real fast and they it was february of 2014 when we did a scan and unfortunately they found um 19 tumors between her brain and her spine um it was it was devastating and not only was it devastating to us but you could it was devastating to our medical team um they they wanted and i mean we were all praying for a miracle and it just unfortunately our miracle came in the form of saint jude gave us so much extra time i remember my prayer was not when she was um first got diagnosed not for her to be cured because i thought she doesn't get cured i'm gonna be so angry i'm gonna walk around like such an i'm gonna be such an angry person but i prayed that that there would be enough time for my girls to get to know each other my youngest was 18 months and anna was three and i knew if she passed we would only get to tell livia about her sister she wouldn't actually know her sister and we got five years of not just it wasn't just quantity it was quality of life my daughter lived more life in eight years than anyone could have ever i mean then most people get to live in 70. um how many times does she go to disney? exactly she has been to disney 11 times by the time she went to heaven 18 days out of eight so yeah yeah so she went to tokyo disney three times uh she went to disney world seven times and then she went to disneyland once um but they uh you know saint jude did everything that they could to uh give us time with her and for that we're forever thankful and feel you know indebted to saint jude uh so much so that you know we we still do so much for you know not for the hospital but we do so much with the hospital yeah and with else to ensure that we feel that we're doing everything we possibly can uh to make sure that no family ever feels what we have and losing our daughter um you know we we like leticia said you know we came to we came to saint jude thinking that ariana would never turn four uh but thanks to saint jude we got her to almost eight uh and you know that's not even though i don't have her here to tell you hey she might be off to high school next year or what have you but she uh you know we got we got eight we got five years that we wouldn't have got elsewhere uh that's right we're forever thankful and we're you know we're thankful for the friendships that we did make while we were at saint jude we would have never met people like you uh which you know you guys are you know meeting saint jude friends and saint jude families are you know it's essential to survival it is but they're the best friends you never ever thought you wanted uh because you know they under they understand what it's like to be in those trenches and in those moments uh where you're fighting for your kid's life uh and you know you appreciate life a little more and you know all of that's relatable you know if i tell you if i tell you hey you know or if you tell me hey you know josiah learned how to ride his bike or josiah is running or whatever we know how hard it was you know what that means yeah i know what that means you know where it's not just a normal kid uh where you know he just jumped on a bike and did it like we we understand the struggle it took to get there so the bond that saint jude families have is uh is an important bond that helps all families get through like i said during the the target house tour as as a group of elephants that they never leave each other behind uh even like us that have lost our kid you guys are still here to provide support for us as friends and family to get everybody through it and the hospital is still here you know her team is still here i can that you know they text us on her birthday and they get send us messages and you know they they still love us and we still love them we have i think grieving as parents it's hard to not live with regret or or you know we should have done this we could have done this you know we don't have any of that we knew we took her to the best place we knew we got her the best care and i think the most important thing out of our story is that it's not always a little girl who grows up and gets puts on a graduation gown and cap and graduates high school you know like i've said sometimes it's a little bald baby that you know has to go back to heaven and although curing 80 percent of cancer is amazing when you're part of that 20 percent um it's not enough it's it's definitely not enough and we we can do better and we need to do better because my baby should be here she should be driving me nuts and going to high school you know but we do we appreciate and we still love and and fight for the mission yeah we love you know these opportunities where ariana's legacy and memory gets to live on and we appreciate everyone else who joins us i mean so appreciative but with that thank you guys again so much for having us yeah thank you thank you for letting your family thank you for letting us share ariana's story once again and we look forward to where we can actually get together and i can give josiah a few left-handed fist bumps sounds good love y'all thanks guys have a good week see you soon all right hello welcome back mike you're not in the balloon room oh cannot hear mike i was muted hello oh there you go sorry to scare everybody there all right so every time i've been off the screen i have hard muted myself and this is the first time that we'd forgotten to undo it so i think that's pretty yeah pretty decent well it's getting late we have crossed 293 thousand dollars to get 293 701 super exciting we do have a segment that i've been thinking about all day we're going to be joined by our friend quinn rose and she's going to judge between the two of us hey quinn hello how are you hi hi quinn tired and excited uh looking forward to this segment i took my jacket off because this is war between me and michael oh yes well so before i get into our trivia round we're about to do here i do have to say a huge thank you to brian hamilton who co-wrote all these questions with me and to tell you all that this morning when we were finalizing the questions we were like they're going to be doing this at the end of a six-hour stream so maybe we should make some of these slightly easier i'm all for that as the loser last time i would like to just didn't this is my trophy that i won the first time we played this this is my trophy that i secured that evening we have one too i didn't plan this i just have that right next to me um sorry steven i've got this trophy this isn't from that event this is from something else but i do have a trophy here that's beautiful you're it's so close yeah uh wow that's harsh i have prepared um well brian and i have prepared a series of really fm theme trivia questions for you pay no attention to the shared screen portion of this that'll be happening a little later um but first we have a section based on numbers um and a huge shout out to listener lucas um for compiling the data on these was a huge help in getting all of these um last year at the five-year anniversary live show in san francisco you guys did your previous round of founders trivia and there were some questions based on the number of episodes and content that really fm has produced and so we're going to be revisiting those some of those today um now how we're going to do this also is we're both of you are going to answer every question but we're going to ping pong back and forth on who answers first mike is last year's winner i'm going to have you start with the first question so i'll ask the question and whenever you're ready sorry steven whenever you're ready um you can just say your answer then steven will answer i would keep doing the same going back and forth each time okay so uh with question number one last year um apps that trivia round relay fm in the entire cms had produced 4550 episodes how many are there now it's about 13 months later it was how many it was 4550 um can we ask clarifying questions sure all right oh it's turning red 30 minutes to go uh are you including membership shows or just like public feeds um i believe this is including all bonus content as well all right i'm gonna go with uh i'm gonna go with 5 650. all right steven your guess i think with the membership stuff it's higher than that i'm gonna go with an even 6 000 both are very good guesses mike was actually correct it is 5 344 so first point goes to mike now of course after that we have the number of days of audio hosted on relay so last year this was 196 days you remember may remember this from the time that mike guessed that relay fm had produced approximately 6 000 days of content that was my favorite thing of the whole year i was wondering how long into this quiz would it be before that was brought up and the answer was not very long old question number two gotta get it right out there but like i said last year it was 196 days um so of course how many days is it now so steven will go first on this one it was 196 days yeah i'm gonna go with 220. all right mike 230. damn the correct answer is 232 so mike also takes that one that was really close you redeemed yourself this was the question that i was the most nervous about oh did you do the math ahead of time no just i hadn't thought of it but as you were saying i really didn't want to be hilariously uh off base i will say just for the record the same as last time i did no pre-preparation of any kind for this quiz good clearly i didn't either well so plenty of questions to go um a couple more numerical questions um so these questions are going to be not including um any like legacy content that was imported into the cms or any bonus content these are just active public shows that have been produced since relay was relay how many episodes of relay fm has mike been on and michael guess first for this one i'm actually really excited to find out the answer to this question um i believe this is up to date as of yesterday so nice okay i'm gonna go with um 1 700 all right steven your guess i'm gonna pull what they call the industry a hurley and i'm gonna guess 1 800 and that would be the correct instinct is 1 846 boom i'm take that mike that's you are quite prolific that includes 48 guest appearances by the way um but however many hosting appearances which is a lot now of course next question how many relay episodes has steven been on so mike was 18 something i'm definitely less than that but i don't know if it's too much less than that now three or four years ago there was a bigger gap i think i'm gonna go with 13 50 all right mike your guess 1200 okay uh mike has taken this one actually it is 1066 you're slacking wow i will say what's interesting is this includes 83 guest spots so steven is more generous with his guesting time while mike is too busy hosting that's right mike right but look how many shows i'm doing i ain't got time for guesting where am i gonna time for guesting you were full-time in the business a year before me so i had no time for guesting then either apparently not well it's well known that relay fm is an international podcast network and i want to know how many countries do relay fm hosts currently live in who's answering this one first is it me you are yes how many countries so you just have to guess the number and if you both get the number correct i'll make you guess all the countries i guess all right um nine all right steven said active hosts yeah active hosts six steven got it right on the money oh nice nice counting that one out in your head i was counting yeah yeah i wanted to but realized it would just result in a lot of dead ass well we of course have a lot of different hosts in the united states the united kingdom we also have hosts in canada with my co-host betty chen australia with russell ivanovich julia scott's in sweden and of course federico vatici is in italy now last numerically based question a lot of people on relay fm host more than one show like both of you but if there were no repeat hosts on the network how many hosts would there be on all active shows so what i mean by that is if you take the shows ingenious and connected i would count as five separate hosts rather than just three people this is going to be steven's first guess on how many people total so how many i'm going to clarify this how many if we imagine that nobody hosts more than one show and so therefore everyone who's doubled up their hosting is replaced by somebody else how many people would there then be yes okay so to get this right you have to know a lot of things you have to know what each of those figures are and then figure out the relationship gosh well there's i think 47 people in slack yeah but not everyone's a host but not everyone's a host i mean i can like just make up i'm just gonna make up a number i'm gonna say 25 i have no idea i'm just gonna throw 25 out there right i wasn't that was a bad guess you just made my friend we have over 25 active shows oh did i do it backwards yeah you did it back there oh no you just got hit by the 6 000 problem my friend i'm gonna say 55 all right i'm sorry steven mike is very close it is 59 so that is you just pulled a 6 000 that's the end of round one um mike got four of those and steven got two mike is pulling ahead but there are still a few rounds to go so don't worry steven okay i'm worried i've lost every game we played today so before we continue with the next round we are at 297 000 and 24 raised for saint jude if you are watching and enjoying this now go to saintjude.org slash relay you can tell that it's 20 to 1 in the morning because i just forgot the url really think about that i'm only quiz my brain is 100 on quiz right now no that's good i rang the bell and the sound guy jumped out of his seat i'm sorry yeah that's awesome let's uh yeah that's right let's let's keep making our way to 315 i'm ready for round two i feel like i'm gonna i'm gonna come back in this round all right uh round two is a series of quotes so i'm going to read to you a quote that someone said on a real afm show and then give you options of three different hosts and you have to guess which one of it it is um so we're back to mike starting our first quote is i'm moving and this means there are many many things i can automate unfortunately i have not yet figured out the perfect automated solution for boxes disappearing from here and reappearing at the next location who said this was it rosemary orchard david sparks or micah sergeant rosemary give in your guess i would agree i would say rosemary nope you know what i tried to do something and it didn't work so that's okay you are correct okay rosemary so you both got a point there um did we break you for a second i had a very clever thing to do which was to play the clip for you and then it didn't play so i was just sitting here staring at you so that's good that's what i want to happen um all right moving on uh next quote sorry for the spoilers but i'm sticking with a 12.9 inch so that was that said by katie floyd federico vatici or david sparks it could be federico or david but i think i'm gonna go with david all right mike your guess federico that is federico i remember him saying it 24 yep i remember it all right did i ever tell you about the time i landed in america and a bunch of people started singing a song about texas how was this said by federico vatici matt alexander or julia scott who's going first is it me this time this is you yeah julia scott all right steven your guess i'm gonna go with julia as well i'm in agreement i was actually matt alexander matt that's it i thought i thought it might be too easy in the clip you can hear mike softly singing in the background and i don't know what you're singing it's really you can't tell but it's very funny uh all right next quote taylor swift my queen who i love more than anything can never leave australia basically now is this christina warren micah sergeant or brad dowdy i'm gonna say uh oh steven sorry uh i'm gonna go with brad all right mike okay as much as i would love brad to have said that i would 100 remember if he had i'm gonna go with christina that was christina uh that is sort of a classic episode of rocket when she explained the entire taylor swift kanye feud all right and last quote from this round i always set my siri to be the british male voice because i kind of think i'm bossing around a sexy butler or a young alfred is this matt alexander tiff armitt or alex cox i think it was me that's my quote uh who's first sorry green you have to keep reminding me i can't keep track of this oh yeah uh mike this is yours yeah i am gonna go with alex cox steven can i hear the quote again i always set my siri to be the british male voice because i kind of think i'm bossing around a sexy butler or a young alfred i'm gonna go with alex you would both be correct all right did pretty well in the quote round um unfortunately steven mike is still pulling ahead of you now we have mike with eight and steven with four we have one last quick round to get through um and i have collected a small assortment of home screens by hosts of different relay fm shows i'm going to show them to you now oh my god this is so good and have you guys okay do i need to this is the screen sharing right yes um so can you see your home what's going on over there man i have the the mac is far away and i have to to press a button to start the screen sharing okay you guys seeing that yeah it's very tiny on the desk oh please yeah i i definitely have the edge on this one because my screen is bigger than steven's it's this big let's see if i can make that bigger and not hang up the entire podcastathon okay i think i know who this is okay wow all right i believe this is steven's go first so are you able to see it steven yeah i see it all right do you have it is under it's underscore david smith mike it's underscore or underscore's biggest fan yes you both got it this is underscores all right moving right along uh whose home screen is this this is mike's guess first uh ryan ryan christopher even uh i'm gonna say mike schmitz and steven would be correct there this is mike schmitz and it's beautiful it is beautiful yeah mike's got a good that's a good aesthetic on the home screen though a lot of pages though so yeah well now in 14 you can just have an app library yeah and these are from last week so they're not all on ios 14 more on ios at all who's do you think this one is steven's going first this time um yes yes i am uh i'm gonna say it's flows yes yes you both got it this is flow ios do you think this very annoying home screen belongs to i know exactly who it is mike do you have a guess um oh my god is it casey lis steven it is casey lis this is casey lis without one doesn't have any of his own apps that he makes on his own home screen sounds about right but like i could tell because any list google photos like bank activity that that's in gif wrap that's casey all up and down yep and spotify and actually recognize the wallpaper because i think he's used the same iphone wallpaper forever wow all right so we've got two we're at two sorry just to just to break in quinn sorry we're at 299 275 dollars and 68 cents right now we're so close to 300 000 so go to saintju.org slash relay right now get your donation in please all right we got two more of these home screens to finish out this game uh now who do you think this one is and again this is from a little while ago so this is someone who's on the beta which i found very interesting this one's much more perplexing to me yeah there's streaks and card hop and carrot weather and fantastic cow who's going first on this one um steven is I'm gonna say Micah Sargent. All right, Mike, your guess? Rosemary Orchard. Mike, you've got it. This is rosemaries. Do you know how I knew that? Like just even would you like to know how I knew? Sure, rub it in. M-A-L-E. Rosemary's the only person that I know that uses M-A-L-E, which I know from your podcast. And launch cuts. That just feels like a very rosemary app. Very astute. All right. Someone donated commenting on Casey's home screen. Really? What does it say? Just oh my God. We hit it. 300,000. Boom. Yes. That is awesome. Unbelievable. Wow. It's a party in here. Wow. $300,000. I'm blown away. Me too. Thank you. As a reward for $300,000, you've got one last home screen to look at. And it's this. Oh my God. Who do you think this belongs to? Mike, guessing first here. I'm guessing first. All right. I'm guessing first. Whistle. That. Oh man, I do not know. There are things that are kind of giving it away, but then I look at other things and it doesn't make any sense based on the person that I thought it would be. Because it's Twitter-ific, which made me think Jason, but I know Jason uses Fantastical, so that's not Jason. Oh my God. Instapaper, Kindle. And it's just a black wallpaper. I cannot nail this one down. Oh boy. It's the 11 screens that really get me. The 11 pages. Yeah, that hurts. But this person has calendar and calendars? Why did it need two calendars? Didn't even notice that. Oh boy. Oh man, put a name down. Is it Merlin? No, it's not. I said it, but I don't know who it is. So I'm just gonna stick with that. All right, Steven, do you have a guess? Merlin was kind of my guess because he seems like the type of person to have two calendar apps. Yeah, Instagram. Yeah, yeah. And Tweetbot. I think he uses Tweetbot. Yeah. I think he uses the official app. I think he's an official app user. I'm gonna say Dan Morin. This is the home screen of John Syracuse. No. John. What? John. What? Yeah. No. Come on, John, what are you doing? Photos and Google Photos. That should have been it. Photos in the doc should have told us it was Syracuse. Yeah, but then, but like, look at this thing. Right? That's, I would never guess this was John Syracuse. He has a calendar on his home screen. How much is he reading? I assume this was some kind of dog thing then. Let's see. He has maps and Google Maps on his home screen. It's just true. He just examined John Syracuse's apps because, yeah. Settle in, everyone. I've got another 10 minutes on this. We have another hour now. Yeah. What is going on here? So he has camera and photos and Google Photos and calendars and calendar. Contacts? Who needs their contacts that badly? This is bananas. I can't look at this anymore, Quinn. What is going on? That's amazing. I can't believe that. With all of that, Mike, of course, has come out as the winner for the second year in a row. The reigning- Don't say, of course. You don't have to say, of course. I'm sorry. He was ahead the whole game and he stayed ahead. Mike, I got you this trophy. You're holding it right now. Steven, I believe in you. A third year is going to be your year. Thank you. But I think you're fired from doing these quizzes. That's fair enough. Nope. Quinn, you're rehired. No, come on. Thank you both so much for having me and thanks everyone for donating. Thank you. Thank you, Quinn. Quinn, thank you for that. That was incredible. I think it was especially incredible. Thank you. I'm sure you do. All right, Mike, I think it's time to finish filling up the Performa. What do you think? I would love to see that. So I'm going to go over there. And- How do you feel, by the way? We moved away quite quick from your crushing defeat. How do you feel about- I don't want- We don't have to talk about that. We don't have to talk about it? I mean, no, we don't have to talk about it, but I think we should. No, the Pokemon game basically took all of my spirit out of my body, so this is fun. Can we talk about John Syracuse's home screen again? Yeah, why does he have so many calendars? I don't know. What's he doing? Maybe- I know- Yeah. Maybe one of them is all of his work stuff and one's personal stuff, but still. That was my thought. Or I know he uses Gmail and maybe he also uses iCloud for family stuff. I don't know. Maybe it's work and personal. That makes more sense to me. But there wasn't two email apps, though, you know? Yeah, I don't know. It's very confusing. It's not what I expected at all. And I feel sorry. I should look in the camera directly and apologize. Dan Morin, I'm sorry that I thought that whatever that was was your home screen. At least I immediately rescinded. I guessed Merlin because I know Merlin is like a million screen person, you know? But I immediately realized my mistake. We're at $302,000 now. Let's just keep this party going. We're $13,000 away from meeting our goal. I mean, I would say- I don't know if we're going to get there, but I really want to. We're going to get there. There's no one yelling in my ear telling me we have to end. So I think we just keep going. We're getting a really good shot of these. Yeah. Yeah, our producer is just walking out the door angry. I'm just kidding. I think we have a thumbs up from everybody. So we're just going to keep rolling for a little while. See what happens. See how far we can go. Yeah. All right. So- C2.org slash relay. Go there right now. Slash relay. Even if you've already given- I'm almost out of bouncy balls. If you can find a little bit more. If you can find a little bit more. Right. Mike, do you have a favorite color bouncy ball? I could mail one to you. I don't know. Maybe. Do you have an orange one? There's an orange one right there. It's kind of orange and yellow. Yeah, I'll take one of those. Do you want me to mail you a balloon? Yeah, that'd be awesome. I tell you what, let's see another patient story, and maybe you can go find something with some caffeine in it, and we just see where the night takes us. Oh, I've already slammed the Red Bull, but like- You can have some more. How fast is your heart rate? Are you going to have a heart attack? I'm not wearing my Apple Watch, so it's perfectly fine. Yeah, then, yeah, if it's not on a sensor, nobody knows. So yeah, let's see a patient story, and we'll be back in a few minutes. Keegan is a little ball of fire, and the fire comes out the top of her head with her red hair. She just loves life. She was barely a year old, and each night she would wake up, and she would be screaming in pain. So I would ask her, what is wrong? And all she would do is just pat her leg. And after six months, and it was 18 doctor's visits, she was diagnosed with acute lymphoblastic leukemia. The main thing that I wanted to know was, is this cancer curable, and is she going to survive? Keegan in the very beginning, she was weak. She was tired. She was sick of feeling the pain that she was feeling. It's awful to see a child go through it. I remember when Keegan had been through four weeks of treatment. Keegan's oncologist told us that any adult would have already given up, but Keegan hadn't. She just fought right through it. When you're given a childhood cancer diagnosis, hope is lacking. But coming to St. Jude, they were my foundation for getting my hope back, and knowing that Keegan was going to be okay. Seeing the transformation of Keegan over the last two years has been such a joy to see from the very beginning, where she was pushing around a little stroller with her fluids in it. Now she is the child that's running the halls laughing and just having a blast. She puts a smile on, and as long as she's got her princess shoes or her princess dress, she can face the world and show everybody else what true strength is. I was one of the best players in my class. I was playing at the top level. I was on my way up, but my basketball dreams shattered. I was just out of it. Dark circles all around my eyes. I just looked bad, and I really felt bad. My mom took me to my doctor. Then my mom is kind of worried, so she goes out and talks to my doctor while I'm laying down on the bed. And when I wake up, we're at the gates of St. Jude. I see blue sheets on my bed. Two people walk in with white coats. They said, you've been diagnosed with leukemia. My heart just kind of broke. I was like, okay, it's serious. I was groomed for basketball. That was me. It always came back to basketball. But the only question I asked was, how can I get better? What's the treatment? How long will it take? I met Hannah through St. Jude. We were both patrons. She kind of introduced music to me on a different level from what I was doing. Somebody in the team room asked me, was I going to do anything for the team? Or so. Hannah just came in out of nowhere, like, he's going to rap. Oh yeah, and he's going to rap. And I never really did anything like that before with an original beat or anything like that. Everything I was feeling, how I felt, I just put all my emotions into that paper. So I couldn't keep it in. It was kind of like a coping mechanism for me. It was good for me to put it out there. She lit the flame to start. Kimo was taking my hurt like a blow in the wind. I was trying to hold on to it, but I failed in the end. Now I'm feeling hurt in the need of a friend. Cause I was very low, self-esteem was out the door. My being covered everything that I hated to show. A victim forevermore. It really hurt my soul, my scars and all my pain. Just bury them and move on and you. Help me do it. Hide all of my insecurities. There's not so much I want to, but I need your only peace for me. Hide me from the people, please. Hide me from myself, please. And then watch my TV. Just me and my beanie dog. Just me and my beanie dog. Hannah ended up losing her battle and she ended up dying. It really was a rough time because she was a good friend. I definitely feel like she's over me telling me that you have to finish the journey. The greatest gift St. Jude has given me is new life. I was basically dying and they stepped in and saved my life. I'm not the same person I was when I first went into this. I'm a better human being and individual because I went through St. Jude. It wasn't like a hospital, it was like a fun loving community, a family. My family, music and basketball are the most important things to me right now in my life. I was 14 when I got diagnosed so it's kind of helped shape who I'm going to be for the rest of my life. Welcome back everybody. I'm definitely in the stage in the evening where I'm struggling to even say the URL. So it seems like a perfect time for me to eat another one of these Bean Boozled beans. Do you have any interest? Do you want to eat one? No, I tried. I thought I'd see if I could get away with that. Didn't work. Okay. We are at coconut or spoiled milk. Oh. I can't eat this one. I can't eat that one. Nope. Oh, okay. So pretty much all of the other ones do not have a flavor that I'm familiar with. Right? So if I eat like dirty dishwater flavor, it's just like, oh, that tastes bad. But that one, the milk one, I know what that tastes like. And so it like, I need to try another one. I've got anything to get the flavor out. All right. Tutti Frutti or stinky socks. I know everybody liked me saying Tutti Frutti earlier. Oh my God. That was so bad everyone. Oh my God. This is so bad. Come on now. I need to get out of here. Come on now. Adina's coming around to try one now. You want to spin the wheel? Yeah. We're going to give you the dead fish one. Strawberry banana smoothie or dead fish. I assume that was the strawberry. I'm out of here. Well it's dead fish. I'm going to put that away for a while. That was a particularly rough. Can you please get me anything with some flavor? Just anything. Oh my God. Oh, the tortilla chips. Just a couple of those. The saltiness will get rid of that. Wow. Stjude.org slash relay. We are currently sitting at, I can't believe this. Wait, let me get the number here. $306,393. Look we are less than $9,000 away from hitting our goal. Excuse me one second. That was so bad. Oh my God, that was so bad. I need to just say real quick, $315,000 was not our goal for today. Not by any stretch of the imagination. $315,000 was our goal for the entire month of September, of which we are only two thirds of the way through. So I am just blown away. Absolutely blown away. Your generosity right now is unbelievable. We really want to see how much further can we push this thing. Oh, I can do a shave or save update. Oh, it's so close now. $9,899 for shave, $8,116 for save. I have noticed that I've been holding down the fort here for a minute on my own. Stephen are you there? I don't hear you Stephen. Oh, hi, I'm here. I see you and now I hear you. Hello Michael. This is not a dream. Are you sure? I'm not sure anymore. This is very upsetting. Mike, I thought I would have some beans too, but I'm not going to eat blueberries with that camera so close. The milk one, Stephen, the milk one. Oh my God, it was so bad. It really tasted exactly like spoiled milk. What is my hair doing? It was so bad. It's like quarantine hair. Mike, I'm glad that you survived it. I got to say, the bottom of this, some of the blueberries are a little smushed and I'm really struggling with it. It's really the hardest thing I've done all day. Do you remember when I beat you in the quiz? That was rigged. It's rigged. It's a conspiracy, right? Yeah, some of these at the bottom, the juices have come out a little bit. It's really hard, man. I'm really struggling with this. That does sound really terrible actually. I can't imagine eating a slightly less juicy blueberry right now. That sounds super tough. I feel for you. I know. I'm sorry. The donations are still coming in. That's awesome. Drew, thank you. Jose, thank you. Somebody donated, actually somebody did donate for you to eat the jelly beans. So Victor, thank you. Allie, thank you. Yeah, seriously, thank you. So much to everybody who's doing it. Really, it's absolutely unbelievable. I think I need to have a talk with the audience. If we could just bring this way in. I need to talk directly to the audience here. Okay. This is, yeah. I like to watch people jump around as I tell them things. No one ever listens to me in real life. This is great. Blossing people around. I know. Hi there. It's your friend, Steven. I have a little message. We have a, thank you, Alex. That's a very nice donation. We have commandeered the Allsack studio to hit our goal for the month. And there's lots of lovely people here that I'm sure like to get home with their families, but we have committed to something without them knowing in advance. So if you can go to sandhu.org slash relay, we can let all these fine people go home to their children and their spouses and their pets. And I think that'd be really nice thing to do to round this out strong. I would also really like to go to bed because Mike is fine. I was one in the morning. Okay. Mike's fine. Okay. As you donate though, you should donate. Thank you, Bob. Whoa, Bob. Thank you. I really want to save the mustache. And so when you give, that's the button you want to hit. I don't want to be like clean shaven because I look like a child. But with a mustache, I look like a man and I want to look like a man and Mike, you have another bean to eat because that was a thousand dollar donation. So upsetting. Get another bean. Birthday cake, dirty dishwater. Oh Jesus. Oh my God. Oh, Bob. How you doing? Fine. You know, we haven't seen you in the balloon room in a little while. Maybe I can talk for a minute and you could change location. No, I did promise this and it hasn't happened, which was the visual of me getting in there. Yes. Yeah. We need to see that. Please show us. All right. It's a two person job. So Mike is moving over, taking his microphone. Make you look like a man for your donation. We really should. I mean, really when they're doing this, I really do want to thank Adina. She has gone above and beyond helping Mike set all this up. I remember we were talking about it. It's like your ideas, your ideas are bananas. So Adina, thank you. It means the world to me and to all of us that you've put up with this and done all this. And you know, Adina, look, I own half the company. I think you get the day off tomorrow. Just let Mike clean this up. You can go have a lovely day by yourself somewhere. No, we're not coming in tomorrow. Well the next work day. She has the next work day off, I think. Okay. I actually got in that time without spilling too many. Oh, okay. Yeah. Look at you. How are you doing, buddy? You doing okay? Yeah, man. I made it in. I see that. Thank you, Robot MLG for your donation. That puts us at $309,000. Oh my God. You got to eat a bean in the balloon room. No. Just pick one out of the box. Eat it. I don't care anymore. Oh, geez. Just anything. Any of them. Yeah, just any of them. Just as long as it's not the white one. Okay. It wasn't. It could be the fish one. Weird fish. Karen 301, weird fish donated $1,000. So get a second bean, young man. $310,000. Maybe it was a strawberry one. That's good. All right, $310,000. Thank you so much. People could just start donating $999. Because I'm worried if I get one of those milk ones, something bad might happen in here. We just have to cut his audio real quick. That is spectacular. This one could be blueberry or toothpaste. Oh, those are both fine. Toothpaste tastes good. It's minty fresh. Oh, it's not as minty as a jelly bean, no? Yeah, minty fresh. The other flavor was blueberry, you said? Yeah. Blueberries are pretty good. Yeah, no, actually the bad flavor was the blueberry, but it was slightly out of juice. So that was the horror flavor there. Like some of these at the bottom of this. Let's bring the camera inside. Yeah, let's get up close. You've got to bring the trolley forward first. Yeah. Thank you to John there for a big donation. Thank you, John. Lisa, the Boyer family, thank all of you so much for pushing us over the edge here. More than $315,000 was our goal for the entire month of September, and we were on our way to breaking it tonight. That is unbelievable. If you had told me that six hours ago, I would have not have believed you. This has been fantastic. And Save is inching closer to Shave, so it's 52% to 48%, so the mustache is hanging on. Well, quite literally right now. Uh-huh. I need more microphone cable. Are you standing on it or something? Well, you're just in the room, man. Yeah, I'm just like in it. I'm in it to win it now. That's right. We're coming up on $311,000. Very close. It's ticking away, huh? It is. I can't decide if that means people want us to get off the air or what, but the donations are coming at a record pace. I think it could be a bit of all of it, really. Yeah. I mean, because I'm sure there are some people that had committed themselves to wanting to watch all of this, and now probably would like to go to bed. Yeah. Just get on with their lives. You know, I think my wife and children are watching it, so hi, kids. It's almost bedtime, so listen. I just pulled this terrible mess of a cable. That is all. What are you doing? It goes down in there. Oh, man. That is such a terrible situation. There's nothing I can do about it. It just goes down in there, and then it gets all mixed up in the balloons. Yeah. I thought my cable management was bad, because I basically taped to a table, but that's pretty rough. I think that you would think that the taping would help. Yeah, but if I walk too far, my ears get broken, which is bad. Pull it over. I skimmed last year's podcast-a-thon, and there's definitely a few points where we forgot to unplug our headphones, and it's like your head gets yanked back. It's very bad. So you're in the balloon room. How many balloons are in here now? Oh! We did it! No one can see. We love you all. Now go to bed. We made it? No, no, no. $4,000 donation. We can celebrate right now with something very special. Yes. Another jelly bean. Four more jelly beans. I can't believe it, though. No, no, no, no, no. You're not paying attention. Somebody's just joined the Discord. Oh, yes. But just quickly, we have hit the goal. We've done it. $315,000. We did it. Unbelievable. That's fantastic. We did it. Oh, my gosh. So can we bring in, we have a special guest to help us celebrate. If we're able to bring that individual in to the call, I think it's happening. Hello. Hello, John. Hey, John. Wow, what is happening behind you? Congratulations. Thank you, John. Thank you. But can we just move away from this now? What's going on with your home screen? What is that? What is that thing? Can we just move away from this now? What's going on with your home screen? What is that? What is that thing? What is that? We don't have the graphic, but I guess you have the actual home screen. I've got the real thing and it hasn't changed much except that the music icon got uglier with iOS 14. Dude, that's so true. It's so bad. I would shame Mike for not knowing about this because I've talked about it on other podcasts, but he always wins those things where they ask questions about Relay and the host. So I can't really shame him for that. No. Well, look, the thing is, sometimes you hear a thing, right? And you can expect it to be a certain way. But then when you see it, you've seen it before. We've done multiple rounds of let's look at each other's home screens and you always freak out about mine, but it's always the same explanation. All right, so give me your questions and I will give you the answers. I don't have it in front of me right now, but I can remember a couple of things. Now, why do you have two calendars on your home screen? So one of them is the official calendar app that has the icon that changes with the date on it. And the other one is the calendar app I actually use that can't do that. So do you only have the official Apple calendar on your home screen to get the date? You got it. And how often do you need the date when you're looking at your home screen? I don't know. It's nice to have. I'm trying to send you my home screen, by the way. That's what I'm doing here on my phone. Oh, good. I will try to send it to Stephen too. Because I understand that thought, right? Like, oh, it'd be great to have it. But I just wonder how often you really need that. Well, what else do you notice? What else do you notice about where the calendar is on my home screen? Top left underneath the time. Is that easy for my thumb to reach? Yeah. No, look at my thumb. That's the hardest place to reach. The calendar is up here, up in this corner over here. I can't reach it with my thumb holding it a normal way. That's no man's land. You put garbage there. I'm never going to put an icon that I want to tap up that high. Very rarely tap the icons up there. If you look at where my thumb sweeps, it sweeps over the icons that I actually use all the time. Like messages, Gmail, Overcast, Twitterific, Instapaper, Instagram, YouTube, Slack. Those are all in the hot zone where my thumb reaches. Everything else on this page is less reachable. This is the perfect use case for a widget then. That's what I was going to ask. I just got iOS 14, right? So I haven't gone into the whole widget world yet. Is there, here's a question from, I'll give you some tech support. Is there a way where I can say like, okay, I want to put a new empty home screen between my screens one and two. Can I do that? I mean, you'd have to. I believe you can. Yeah, you could do it with something like Widget Smith and make just a plain black widget maybe. And if you use a black wallpaper. Oh, are you asking you want a new empty home screen? I hate home screen management, which is why all my other pages are complete garbage, right? My home screen is mostly arranged in a reasonable way, but everything else is a mess. Because I want like a giant app that I can use to rearrange these icons. Because trying to do it on the phone with my finger is a nightmare. I think. I have an iPhone. If you just create a new page that you put like one app on a page. But how do I do that? I've already got like 11 pages. I want a new blank empty second page. Like, I don't know. I don't know either. Which is why I haven't attempted it because I'm afraid to mess it up even more. So other questions. Okay. Everyone always finds the two photos things down the dock. First of all, dock is garbage. I cannot reach. I can't. I cannot. John, can you reach any part of your phone? Like it just feels like it's a soul punch. No, it's just it's just look, this is the this is the area. The sweep of my thumb is the area, right? Look at it. I'm doing it. The magic of video. I in my normal phone grip, I can't reach at all these photos out. So I don't use that often. But why do I have two of them? You guys forget that I don't have the real photo library for our family because Apple doesn't understand how families work. So only one person can have the real photo library. My wife has the real photo library. So I do need to see my photos, which is which the Apple photos has, you know, if I take photos with my phone. I do want to see those, of course. But when I want to see the family photos, those all appear in Google photos through a strange chain of operations where they end up in my wife's photo library, then end up copied by Google Photos on her Mac. And then and then I can see them here because her Mac is copying our photos into my Google account into my Google Photos. But both in the dock, though. Yeah, but the dock is another no man's land place. And I like nothing down there is easy for me to tap. So I have to pick something to go in the dock. And that's what I end up picking because they have nice icons. Okay, let me take a look at maps and Google Maps. Yeah, I changed my mind which one I want to use on a trip by trip basis, depending on how I'm feeling and how successful it's been. So yeah, I, I don't just use one map app, I use both of them. Okay. Can you tell us what the whistle app is? Because we're too young to know what that is. You guessed right. It's a dog thing. It's like a GPS because she's a runner and she will escape and go everywhere we need to track her. So okay, when you want to find your dog real fast, good to be on the home screen. You don't want to be searching for typing in. Yeah, that's pretty good. I like that. Be like a good a good example of my mental state right now. But when you said she's a runner, I just thought you meant like she goes for runs like a human. She's a runner like she's like a escapee from jail. She just smells squirrels and birds and just chases them and then we'll find 10 miles away. I think my biggest one is the the Kindle app, which I have on my iPad. Right? I understand that. Do you do a lot of reading just on your phone? Yeah, surprising. I mean, remember, I started with ebooks on like, whatever it was at the time. Let me think. Maybe a palm five. Okay, that's right. 160 by 160 pixel screen. That's where I started reading ebooks. So reading on my phone is amazingly luxurious and incredibly high resolution. I guess it is nice to if you read in the evening, because I have an iPad full size iPad or iPad Pro like in the bed like you're laying down as a recipe for a broken face. Or you know, let's get real here. We made our goal reading in the bathroom. I can bring my iPad into the bathroom, but chances are good. I got my phone in my pocket. True. Isn't that like prime Twitter time? I mean, when you are in the bathroom, sometimes you might read a book. I think there are books that like I've read entire books and I think of like, they could measure where I've been read in the bathroom. I think if you're deciding to settle down to, I don't know, break open the new John Grisham, you might be spending too much time in the bathroom. It's not like you read it for a long time, but it's like you go to the bathroom every day. Right? So if you're so, you know, every little bit, you know, in two or three hours, you're like, three or four or five minute increments, you can get through a book. Is that how you read? Like, I mean, I don't read enough books. I'm often I've become unfortunately, I never thought it would be this person, but I've become one of those persons who's in the middle of multiple books at the same time. I know people don't like that, but that's me. So it depends on the lifestyle. Yeah. Yeah, I can't do that. I pick up the first like the book that I was not reading last and I'm very confused about what's happening and my brain cannot process that. If you read nonfiction books, it helps because there's just like a story of a thing that happened and you know, I keep track of much. So yeah, I guess that's I guess that's true. How much of an Instagram user are you? I read Instagram every single day. It's one of my things that I do just like Twitter and email and so on. Yeah. And I don't follow a lot of people, but I look there every day. Yeah, you see, because I had assumed that might be the case. I know you only post you post great photos, but typically just around vacations. I wondered what else I post when I have good pictures to post. Yeah, it's like this is this is the typical kind of the thing when I disagree with you is like I can't you explain yourself so well, like I understand what you're saying. There are reasons that were not obvious to you. But now when I'm explaining like, you know, that is a reason may not be a reason that you agree with or that applies to your life, but it's a reason because it's like I hear you say these things and I'm like, yeah, I understand why John does. So I can explain the aesthetic to obviously the aesthetic I'm going for is everything filled in, right? Some people want a minimal home screen. Some people like Casey have no sense of anything and have like a 96% filled home screen, which doesn't make any sense. But there's a one lonely, one lonely widow icon on the bottom row. I would call agree that his was the worst. But yes, but what I'm going for is it's it's got to be packed, right? That's that's my aesthetic. I don't do the minimal thing. Maybe I'll become a widget person. I don't know. I haven't. I do it to look. I fill it all up. Yeah, I feel like I pay for the screen. I can see more apps in the home screen or I need a room for it. You fill it. Yeah. And the black background I've used since day one with my very first first generation iPod touch. I just I just like that. I feel like the icons have enough visual noise as it is. I don't need anything behind them. Yeah. And maybe I save a little bit of battery by having a black background. Who knows? But that's that's my iPhone aesthetic. How often do you get through to page 10 over there? Oh, see, that's I said, the pages just become complete nonsense. Right. And that's you think, oh, that's great for the app library. Don't you want to just hide them on the app library now? Maybe just have your home screen and everything else hidden. The problem is my garbage setup. I've had it for so long that I actually do know where things are. Like I, you know, like one page over bottom right is my destiny stuff. And if that was gone from that location, I don't know what I'd do. I'd be looking for it in the wrong place all the time. Right. I don't know where the developer things are, which is also on the second page in a particular location like they're not well organized. But I do know where things are just because of like, haven't changed. You can keep as many pages as you want just after some point you can cut it off. Yeah. And I've been thinking about that. Like, and I just updated iOS 14. Like I didn't run any of the betas or anything. So I have I was looking I'm those last screens ago and could I ditch this one? You know, and I'm not sure what I'm going to do yet. But I'm going to do something because yeah, I don't I don't use like 11 pages is ridiculous. Like the only pages that matter to me like pages one, two, and maybe three and then page 11 where new apps appear. I got one last question, something that came up a good bit when we looked at your home screen earlier is the inclusion of the contacts app. At least the way I use my phone, I think a lot of people do is those are also just in the phone app. So I just go to them there. So I'm very curious about why you never, I never call anyone on my phone. So that's not like that's why the phone app is in the dock and the millennial john. Yeah, I know. I don't I don't want anyone. And so if I do need to look someone up, I would actually use contacts, right? Because like, I'm not going to call them on the phone, I'm probably just going to tap the you know, the message icon or look up their address or something like that. But contacts isn't also in a no man's land because I tend not to do that a lot. So it's a it's an Apple icon that has in the past been more aesthetically pleasing than it is now. And it just lives up there basically holding a spot. Because I wouldn't put anything I want to use frequently in that spot. Like the idea that that your your home screen has got to have the apps you use the most frequently doesn't work for me because there are lots of places on the screen that are not convenient for me to touch it more convenient for me to have it in a prime location on the second screen than in a no man's land on the first screen. I think widgets are going to be good for you. You could you can you can make that whole section more useful. Right? I mean, I feel like the information density and was it which is kind of low like I did mess with my widgets over on like, my like my, you know, slide over to whatever the hell it's called the slide over to the left screen, I'm messing with the widgets there to see what I can do. I like the calendar widgets there. Again, I have I've competing calendar widgets over there I have like Google, I have Google calendar which is installed on a different screen. And then I have, you know, calendars five just to see because they have different widget layouts, right? They did just look different. And one of them shows me how long it is until my next event, but the other one doesn't. But the other one shows me more events and less space. So I don't know what I'm gonna do. I'm still experimenting. But I do like the photos widget like it says, picture of my son from a track meet just comes up randomly there. That's Yeah, I love that widget. There's been more than one time I have it on my second screen where I'm swiping over to that screen, I see a picture of you know, one of my children, they're really little like it like, pulls you back to that moment in time. And it's done a really good job so far to the betas at least of surfacing stuff that I haven't seen in a long time. My photo library. It's I really like that addition. Yeah. Oh, and on my home screen, I can't believe you're saying Twitter if it could use that look up. Didn't plan this, but I'm wearing my Twitter shirt right now. I'm like the biggest Twitter fan in the universe. And you think of snow? Come on. It wasn't. Well, okay. But the see john, this is why I never think of you. Because I see my home screen. And I think you could never have a home screen that looks like this. This is why this comes up every time I am so surprised. Like one of those minimal things was like one icon in the middle of a blackfield. No, I just. It's just it's a lot man. I mean, look at the bookshelves. Like don't the bookshelves have the same aesthetic as the home screen? It's a good point. They're packed. Yeah, but like, yeah, yeah, I should remember your hoarding tendencies. This is a beautifully arranged collection. It's not hoarding. It's collecting. You can't you can't get involved in this. You're worse. I took my bag of extra ear pads down. And now now it looks nicer. Yeah. Oh, which ones did you end up with? And by the end, I'm wearing these leather ones I have on now, but I did actually bite the bullet. Spoilers for next week, JP and buy the headphones that Marco suggested and the ear pads that he suggested. So they're on their way to me. They're good headphones. I use them too. Yeah, I've tried them on to Marco's house. I like them. I just you know, these leather ones on these particular earphones, I feel like they're not really doing it for me anymore. Maybe your ears are getting bigger. I'm old age. Is that a thing that happens? It is, I think. Yeah, it is. I think is it your ears and your nose apparently don't stop growing? Yeah, or something like that. I know. What was it? We discussed this recently. I think Merlin looked it up with the answers, but I forgot because I'm old. Well, John, thank you for coming on last minute to defend your honor. We appreciate you jumping on. I texted you like 10 minutes before you were on. So thank you. And thank you for helping us take this over the finish line. Yeah, great job, guys. I mean, and we got the rest of the month to go. Let's break 500,000. You heard it, everyone. John Syracuse said it. John Syracuse. He laid it down. All right. Thanks, John. All right, Mike. A couple of housekeeping things that we should do. We're now at $317,615. It's absolutely amazing. We're going to keep fundraising through the end of the month. Through the weekend, you will be able to vote to save my mustache or making me shave. Why? Every time. Or making me shave. I'm going to get a blueberry. Or shave my mustache. I didn't like that. ASMR. We really should go to bed. Okay. So here's the deal. Donate. You click the poll, and that'll run through the end of the weekend. And then I guess sometime on Monday, we will see what the totals were. And I will either keep my mustache or shave it. So it's going to be fun to watch. Currently save is in the lead by about $300, which is honestly too close to call. So it can go either way. It's not too close to call. It's just closer than we would want to call it at. Like you did call it. You said it was 300 in the lead. But there's no need to call it now. We've got time. Let's at least give you a couple of days of the mustache in case people make you shave it. Yeah. I'm going to keep it until we get the totals on Monday. So I think that sort of brings us to the end. I've got some thanks to make. But Mike, I'm going to let you go first, and then I'll take us home. Yeah. So you already stole my thunder by thanking my own wife for me. Well, you can thank her too. Thanks for doing that. No, I'm going to. But now you've kind of taken some of the thanks away. So now it kind of just feels like I'm copying you. But somewhere in a region of 700 balloons and a gazebo and an entire rearranging of our studio is something I couldn't have done on my own and didn't want to do on my own. And so I would never have been able to get to this whole situation without Idina. This was something I really wanted to do last year. We were going to try and make happen at St. Jude, and when I couldn't be there, this was something that I was quite disappointed in. But Idina made it happen, which is good because this is what I dreamed of for Podcastathon. And so I'm happy that I was able to get it. So also it's just like a great support for me throughout the evening. I was really lagging at one point. I think it was about 11 o'clock where I was trying to leave the studio and I would need my keys to get back in. And I was just walking around in a circle, my keys were in my pocket. So but Idina was like, OK, it's time for a Red Bull for you and eat a banana. So I have been definitely carried through this by her. And I will now extend thanks to everyone over there in Memphis, Tennessee, at St. Jude and Allsack, we have been planning this since I think February and the professionalism and the kind of like can do attitude that is exhibited by everyone is infectious. And as two people, me and Steven, that want to do a thing but don't really know how to do it, their ability to be able to make it happen is kind of incredible. And the ability there for everyone to change plans completely and still be able to help us produce something which is, I think, better than the original Podcastathon is, I will say, purely down to the team that we have had around us. Even like with the mammoth lengths that they had to go to, to get everything in place to have you on campus today, like that on its own is an incredible job. And so I want to thank everyone at St. Jude and Allsack who has helped us put this on today. And also my final two thank yous, I'll say thank you to you, Steven. Steven from RelayFM's perspective runs the Podcastathon from arranging all the guests, arranging the mod team, the content, and then also liaising with everybody at Allsack. So I love being able to do this and without Steven we wouldn't be able to do it from our side either. So thank you to you. And I'll also say just the biggest thanks possible to the RelayFM community of hosts and listeners who have helped us start this thing, get it rolling, and have now pushed us over the goal within 20 days of the month. I will tell you, I think we said it before and I'll say it again now, we really wanted to do this. We were really concerned, right? There's a lot going on in the world right now, people's finances are in some places reassessed. The generosity that has been shown by the RelayFM community is, I am absolutely blown away. We had a conversation a couple of days into starting the campaign this year where we were like should we have really set the goal at 315? And now we're setting records again. So thank you so much to everyone out there who has donated any amount, whether it's $1 or $1,000 or wherever you were fighting for the ATP stickers. Every single dollar counts. It's not just for the fun of this event. This money goes to support one of the world's great charities. And it means so much to me and Steven. So thank you. Thank you, Mike. We do have a graphic we're calling the total amount for the show at $317,730. So that's what we've raised to date. And we still have a bunch of September left. So we're gonna still be talking about this. But we all I mean, there's there's really no words for this. It is absolutely incredible. I want to echo Mike's thoughts, thinking of the team here. Just like everything else in the world, this really got thrown for a loop. And we had to figure out how I could be here safely and how the crew here could be safely. We all jumped through a lot of hoops and did a lot of things to make that possible. And I'm so glad because I think this was so much better for me being able to be in this space. Again, this year, it's a space that I really love being in. And you all seen enough of my studio, and you know, I can't make the lights flash behind me like Nick can. See if Nick would do it. There he goes. I can't do that in my office, but we can do it here because we have a Nick with a laptop. St. Jude is a special place. We've talked about that. I've talked about that for years. But as a parent of a kid with a diagnosis like this, it's a very lonely thing. You have friends and even family who don't know how to respond to it, who don't handle it well, who say exactly the wrong thing at the wrong time. But all that aside, it's just a lonely fraternity of parents who have to walk this road. And I think as you saw in the tour and in our interviews tonight, there's a real community around St. Jude. That if you're a St. Jude family or you're part of the All Sac team, this is a place that imprints itself on your soul in a way that I've never experienced elsewhere. And it's really an honor to get to share that with the Relay audience. And we've said this before, but Relay doesn't exist without the audience. So again, thank you all for doing this. Because what this does for me, just speaking for me selfishly, this makes all of us feel less lonely. That so many people from around the world, now at $319,000, care so much about this. And I don't view our story as inspiring, but I view it as difficult. And being able to share that and process that with you all through this event every year, it means the world to me. And short of, I don't know what, we're going to do this again next year. Apparently a pandemic won't stop us. And nothing's going to stop us from doing it, right? We have made that abundantly clear now. This is about as big a stoppage as we could have had. Yeah, don't say that out loud. So thank you all for watching, for donating, for listening as we talk about this. I do want to thank specifically the Relay family. We come to our host every year and say, we're going to do this, we'd love for you to be involved. And you all, all of them are on board. And it's really special. We have a unique community within Relay that I think listeners know about. And so I'd like to thank them as well. And yeah, I think maybe my- I think we might be one last statistic, Steven. Okay, I'm ready. During the podcast-a-thon today, we have raised over $95,000. Whoa, that's unbelievable. I'm going to go down here now. Oh no, no, don't go under. It's so worrisome. As we say goodbye. All right. This is probably the best way for me to be seeing myself out now. All right. I need to go to sleep. All right. Well, until next year, Mike, say goodbye. Bye. Love you, bye. Thank you everybody for being with us tonight. And thank you everybody for supporting kids like me. Thank you. Bye. and thank you everybody for supporting kids like me! Thank you! There's a lot of things that I've learned and I'm really grateful for the support that I've received. I'm really grateful for the support that I've received. I'm really grateful for the support that I've received. .