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Some days it feels like it's never going to stop. It's kind of a mental war. Sometimes you just feel like it's not going to get any better. When you go through suffering, you learn a lot about yourself. Good stuff comes out of every bad situation. Dark circles all around my eyes. I was just out of it. In one moment, those three words, you have cancer, and my whole life changed. Without cancer, who am I? I feel like I could do anything. I could go to college, be a nurse, be a doctor, anything. I'm a straight-A student, focusing on getting my bachelor's degree in journalism. I'm just doing it one step at a time. I would like to go in the filming industry. It's kind of always been something awesome to me, but it's going to take some work. While I was going through chemo, I learned how to read greens. I chipped and putted. I worked on sand shots. Stuff that I would need to know. The best score I've had is an 86, but I really want to get down to 85 or less. I've been working at it, and I think that that's achievable now. I'm not the same person I was when I first went into this. I'm a better human being and individual because I went through St. Jude. It wasn't like a hospital. It was like a fun, loving community, a family. You and I have vowed that we will do everything in our power to bring about the defeat of these catastrophic diseases. St. Jude Children's Research Hospital, world-renowned. I need your help. Advancements in pediatric science. I can't do it alone. And clinical care. Please help me. We're going to treat children of every creed, nationality, and color. And by the grace of God, it shall be done. St. Jude Children's Research Hospital St. Jude Children's Research Hospital St. Jude Children's Research Hospital From Relay FM, from London, and from Memphis, this is the third annual podcast-a-thon for St. Jude Children's Research Hospital. My name is Mike Hurley, and I am joined across the airwaves by Stephen Hackett. Hello, Michael Hurley. How are you? I'm very excited. Do you know why, Stephen? Because it's the podcast-a-thon, and you have a cool jacket on? I have a cool jacket on. You have a cool jacket on. There's a cool jacket beside you, I think, that people are going to get to see soon. We have tons of activities. We have fun stuff. We have, I think, a bit scary stuff for me and Stephen. And tons of guests that are going to entertain you over the next eight hours. Eight hours! Yes! Eight hours. Biggest, was it boldest? Baddest, in a good way, this is the podcast-a-thon for St. Jude. As we start right now, we are at $373,924 raised this year. We are currently, have raised more money at the start of the podcast-a-thon than we did at the end of last year. Stephen, can you talk about how incredible that is? It really has been an amazing September so far, to see everyone getting involved and giving and giving early. There's also been a lot of challenges. The other night in the Relay Discord, you had to donate, I think, $10 for every domain name you owned. That was expensive for some of us. I think I had 73, I think was my issue. I didn't know that. I pledged to do it before I opened my Hover account. It was bad, everyone. It was bad. And so yeah, it has been absolutely fantastic. We're going to keep everybody updated on the giving. On the screen in the stream, you can see at the bottom and the top as gifts come in. And as gifts come in, some fun things are going to happen. And so we've got some milestones we're going to be doing. Of course, if you donate $100 or more, you can get a sticker of Thanks Pack, which includes these stickers that are on Mike's desk right now, which is just my face over and over. Luckily, you only get one. I have hundreds of these things. I left them at home. And I should mention, I am on the St. Jude campus. We've got an amazing support staff here today. We're all wearing masks, staying socially distant. Everyone is being safe, which I really appreciate. So $100 of stickers, $500, a gift of $500 or more, I will attempt to hula hoop. There's some hula hoops over here. I haven't done that since I was about six. And so we'll see how that goes. And Mike, what happens to you for a gift of $1,000 or more? People last year may have remembered, we're bringing it back. I will eat Bean Boozled beans. This is a pick and mix kind of scenario. Some of them taste good. Some of them taste absolutely disgusting. And if you donate a single gift of $1,000 or more, you get to make me eat one of those things. Perfect. But we also have many other things going on. So they are the individual donations. You donate $100, you get a sticker of Thanks Pack. You donate $500 or more, you get the hula hoop from Stephen. Well, you don't get it, but you get to watch Stephen attempt to do it, which I think is probably more fun. And $1,000 or more, and I eat a Bean Boozled bean. But for every $100 that's raised, two things will happen. One, Stephen will be adding a Lego brick, or no, wait, a plastic generic brick, I should say. A building brick. A plastic building block. Let's go and see what they look like. Stephen, can you show people what they look like? So for every $100, one will be added to a, what is it? Well, it used to be a Mac G3. Okay. Now the top of it comes off. Oh, look at that! And we will be filling it with building blocks. Generic plastic blocks. Yeah, generic plastic blocks. Yeah, we just had some donations come in, get them in there. Alright, so I got an ice scooper here, and they just get poured in. I'll stick the microphone in there. Okay. Get us some ASMR action. This is what the people want. Oh yeah, that's it. See, that's what you gotta do. Give what the people want. Yeah, so we will fill this machine up. Hopefully it doesn't smell as burny and melty as the bouncy ball computer did last year. Nice. But let me show you what may be my favorite thing on this set. Just before you do, also with every $100, another balloon gets added to the balloon room. The balloon room will be making its triumphant return a little bit later on in the show. But I think there's a balloon coming at me right now if you want to see what they look like. There we go. There you go. Let me show you this. We have two games we can play. Okay. So every $2,500, I will spin the Wheel of Adventure. Now, Mike, this wheel, it may look fun. It may look colorful and bright. But this wheel has a secret. Every other number is a good thing. You can see them on the screen now. But every other number also brings something bad. So maybe we do a demo of this and see what happens. How does that sound? Okay. By the way, I just want to call out that there is a $500 donation from Alex, Give Me That Hula Cox. So you've got that coming your way, my friend, very soon. Thanks, Alex. I appreciate that. Steven, please, and I'm going to do this a lot. Spin the wheel! Look at it go. Where will it stop? Nobody knows. It's a beautiful thing. Where are we going to land? It is number 8. What does number 8 say? Steven Donation Match! Yeah! All right. My favorite. Yeah. Let's pretend it was an odd one, though, for sake of example. No, no, wait. We can also do that. But I think we also need to begin number 8, Steven Donation Match. Yes. So we have Zach in the office back there. And he is keeping up with some of the things that we have to do that will unfold. We haven't really settled, I think, on what the donation match is yet. So it's just going to be one point in that column. You choose. I choose? You choose. Say how much money you want to match, and you'll match the next X amount. Don't do it for a time. I was thinking about this, because that could get real bad. Don't say for the next 10 minutes, because you don't know what's going to happen. And then someone donates $22,000, and I'm in trouble. So it landed on 8. So I would say the next $80 I will match. All right. OK, but let's say that it landed on 7. OK. So what does that mean? Well, this is not the whole story. It has a sibling right here. So if we land on an odd number, we come to, I forget what we called it, but I'm going to call it the Board of Destruction. Oh, no, Peril, Destruction. It's going to get a lot of different names. That's right. Peril. So this, I have a chip. I have a board, and you may imagine how this works. And I'm going to let you hear it, because this thing makes the best sound I've ever heard. Number 9. Number 9. So what is number 9 on the board of peril, Mike? This is a good one. We have to update our profile photos. OK, so what we're going to do, we have our phones. Andina, can I have my phone, please? My glamorous assistant has just lost me my phone. Yeah. And we have to update our Twitter profile picture with a selfie we're taking right now, which is really painful for both of us because we're too old to think selfies are cool. But I'm going to get the board in there. Use photo. And that will be my Twitter profile picture for a while. Oh, do you want to update your followers? Yes, I do. I didn't do that. No, that's good. Every time. Oh, we got a little $500 donation from the pen addict. You've got a lot of hula hoops to do, my friend. OK, so I guess I should attempt a hula hoop. I really think you should. They're EMTs. I'm hearing they're EMTs here just in case this goes wrong. Standing by. Nick is giving me the thumbs up. So I'm going to set the Bob Barker mic down. That's probably a good idea. You know, this is one of those things. So I think people know we've been talking about this. This takes months of planning. And there's lots of people involved. And we were having a meeting about things that should go on the board of peril. And I blurted out – or no, we're looking for things to do. I was blurting out hula hooping. And as soon as I said it, as soon as it left my mouth, I wished that I could retract it. Everybody on our, I think, 12-person Zoom call just started screaming at the same time. But I'm a man of my word and a man of the people, as you know, from our podcast. And so we're going to attempt this. Remember that I'm very old, so we'll see if my phone's great. Have you ever done this before? When I was like six. Do you know how to do this? Oh, keep the mic. Ooh, wow. Look at that thing. Yeah, so you can get a good look at that. It's very shiny. Okay. Do me a favor. Make sure you are well away from all of our very expensive, very beautiful props. I'll come up here. I'm standing on what will be another challenge later. Okay. You want me to do this holding the microphone? You understand if this microphone breaks, the show's over. I would put the microphone down. Grace is going to help me here. Thank you, Grace. Grace told me earlier she would not hula hoop. Here we go. Look at this. I can commentate on this. We've got a boom mic and everything. Look how beautiful this is. All right, here he goes. You ready? Okay, ready? Go. Okay, didn't even get one. All right, we're going to have to do some serious no, you didn't get one. That was not one. That wasn't one. It wasn't even one. A second attempt. Okay. Yeah, I guess you do have two to do. You could have had a much better Friday at work. All right. I got to spin it fast, right? Faster? Yeah, but I think you shouldn't move so quickly. You've got to try and match the motion. I got to move my hips? You got to move your hips. That's definite. All right. Don't put one out, old man. Okay, you still have not got one. No, that was no. No, no. Oh, $1,000 donation came in from the provost, Stan Provost, Katrina Vikesi. Thank you so much. Thank you, Provost family. So does that mean, I don't think we cleared this up. Oh, I'm part of the hula hoop now. I know that's a bean for me, but is that another two hula hoops for you? No. It sure is. I'm being told in my ear right now. Yeah. Let's get one more hula hoop from you. One more hula hoop? Come on, yeah, do one more, and I'll get the bean buzzard bean ready. We've got eight hours, man. I'm going to throw my back out in the first ten minutes. Eat a bean. Yeah, that's a good point. We'll give you a break. All right, I need to get my special box of stuff. I have a portable box of things, which will make sense later on. Here's my things. We are at $378,000 for the kids of St. Jude. That is unbelievable. The reason we do this, Mike, we haven't really said what we're doing. We just assume people know that this is what Relay FM does. Part of what we do. Part of what we do. St. Jude is a really important organization to us, and it's an important organization to a lot of people around the world. They treat kids with cancer from all around the world without charging their families a dime. That may sound incredible, and it is, but add to that some things. Add to that travel. Add to that food. Anything that a family needs during their journey with pediatric cancer, St. Jude is there meeting those needs. As a parent of a cancer survivor, a St. Jude patient, I can tell you it is an amazing thing to be able to focus on your family, focus on your kids' health, without worrying about the financial impact. That's why we do this, because they keep these doors open. They keep these treatments rolling because of people like you and me with hula hoops and jelly beans and people donating. Thank you all. Please go to stjude.org. We will be mentioning that many, many times, because that is the donation page. Mike, do you have a bean? I will apologize if you saw me making strange faces during your beautiful sentiment there, because just opening the box let out an aroma into the studio here, which is not pleasant. All right, so I'm going to spin the wheel. The wheel has landed on— Your wheel is so small. Does it even light up like mine? You got shorted on the wheel. Look how cool my wheel is. Yours is tiny. You wait until you see what I've got over there, and then we can have a conversation. All right, so I landed on peach or barf. Peach or barf? Yeah, not like a bathtub, like a vomit. Are you ready? Well, are you ready is the question. Nope. We're good. It was peach. All right, that's good news. There's this moment when I bite into it, and I'm never completely sure, because it takes a second, you know? Yeah. All right, so we'll be coming back to Bean Boozled, I'm sure, later on in the show. Yes, many, many times, I am sure. $378,789 raised. That is 95% to our current goal of $400,001. So we are just $21,142 away now. That is absolutely amazing. Mike, are you in a position where you can give a tour of your space, or do you want to hold off on that? I can do that. Okay, I gave a tour of mine, you know? So we have the desk. You're going to see the desk a bit during the show today. But that's not all. So you're going to follow me. I have my wonderful assistant, Idina, helping me. This is Balloon Room 2.0. We have received some upgrades to Balloon this year. One is some lighting, so you can actually see me. And two is this beautiful table and chair that I have just here. It's a very tiny table. Well, the plan is, you see, as the evening progresses, I want to be sitting at this table with balloons right up to here. Now, wonderful assistant Idina, I believe that we have now hit a point throughout the day. We started tracking earlier today. I think we're at a point to actually add some balloons, a bag of balloons, to the Balloon Room. You're going to have to walk past the camera. It's totally fine. Idina is pulling a lot of work here. I only have one person here in Mega Studio. We've been, well, Idina's been inflating balloons up for the last week. And so we're going to get, we've also, one of the big upgrades as well this year is we removed the roof of the Balloon. It's not really a room if it doesn't have a roof, though. Sure it is. There we go. So this is another set of balloons. This is because of, how much did we say? You add a balloon for every $100. And that was $2,500 worth of balloons. I actually think if that's how much we can put another one in. Yeah, that's a good for it. Let's keep going. We're at three, how much have we raised, Jill? $6,000. We can get another one in. Is that another $25? Yes, it is. Awesome. Thank you. So think about it. Every time $100 is donated, this will happen. And I want this entire thing full up. I also have a tripod here where I'm going to be presenting from inside a balloon later on today. I want to spend time in here. I want to get in amongst it. This is your donations. As this balloon room fills, you can see all this incredible money has been donated to St. Jude Children's Research Hospital. Absolutely amazing. I did just have a moment where I thought if Mike's landlord comes in his office right now, I'd be very confused. So there is a window on our door. And if people were just to look through the window on our door for the past week, they will have just seen tens of those huge bags of balloons. I don't know what people think I do for a living in this building, but I guarantee it's not what they think it is. We've got some new donations. Thank you, Jim. Thank you, Adam, Anthony, and Thomas for your donations. It's fantastic to see them roll in. Join the fun at stjude.org. We want to drown Mike in balloons today. Isn't that what we've always wanted? That's what I've wanted for the whole 11 years I've known you. You didn't like it last time when I was getting in amongst it. So you've got that to contend with. I've grown as a person since last year. We'll see. We've got a couple other things. $380,000. We have hit $380,000. Awesome. We haven't done one milestone, which is the button of hype, which I have here. Oh, wait. Hold on. Let me get back to my desk. I didn't bring everything with me because this was not planned. You don't have the button of hype sewn into your jacket? Probably should. We have just been told we own seven. We're going to do those in a row. We'll see what that feels like. Coming back to my desk. Here we go. We've got our button of hype. Man, look at that. Tweet Boca. We're going to do seven of these in a row, right? Yes. You ready? Yep. You ready? Three, two, one. $380,000. Your money did this. I hope you're happy. That may dissuade people from donating, actually. I'm actually now concerned about the fact that it's not as late here as I thought it was. There's definitely plenty of people in this building. That's fantastic. All right. We've seen Mike's space. We've seen this space, which is absolutely incredible. Thank you. I think that we should... Thank you, Mike and Rachel. $1,500 donated to support the kids of St. Jude. Thank you so much. Okay. That's a hype button. That's so bad. I think it's also a bean and a hula hoop, isn't it? Oh, no. Yeah, it is. All right, then. Let me go first. You get yourself ready. Thank you. We can give three more attempts. Maybe in those three attempts, you might actually succeed with one. There you go. Thank you. $500 donation. It's either going to be Tutti Frutti or Stinky Socks. Tutti Frutti, I think. That's good news. No. No, I was wrong. Okay. All right. Oh, man. It's weird because it has a little bit of Tutti Frutti to it. Tutti Frutti Socks. My favorite. Maybe I just mixed this one up. Maybe it's both. I'm sorry about that. Yeah, that's bad. So we need to do our. Oh, yeah. Oh, you want to try it again? Okay. So I got a hula hoop, I guess. Yeah. Or. Yeah, I got a hula hoop. Okay. Yeah, there's no or about this. You got to commit. You said you were a man of your word, a man of the people. There's no or. Thank you. I tell you one of the really bad things about these jelly beans. Sometimes a piece of it gets stuck in my teeth. So. Oh, no. Another one. All right. Thank you, Dustin. All right. Oh, man. Okay. Strawberry banana smoothie. That's nice. Or it could also be a dead fish. So that'll be fun. Oh, no. Oh. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. It gets worse. Oh, God. Thank you. Oh, man. You need a medical attention, Mike. Oh, man. That one's so bad. I didn't have that one last time. Dead fish. Yeah. So sorry. I mean, I'm not really sorry, but I'm. Okay, you're going to have to cut to Stephen for a second because I got to get some of this out my teeth. I can't. And you can't. You can't look at that. No one's no one should see this. No one should see this. All right. I'm going to do some hula hooping without hurting anybody. Oh, Mike is falling down. He's laying on the ground now. You don't want to see me get jelly bean out of my teeth. All right. You ready? Let's go. Hey. I didn't know how many that was. None of them were around the hip, but it is getting better. It's like five. I'm getting so good at this. All right. Maybe I need to start higher up. No, like. Start around the neck. Around the neck? Is that what you said? Around the neck. Yeah, I said around the neck. Yeah. Around the neck. I don't know. All right. Maybe that one's a later on. Yeah. An hour and seven. Watch me try that. You're getting there, buddy. See, I told you you could do. I knew you could do this. I had faith in you. I was prepared. Yep. See, you're getting better at it all the time. Thank you. Mike, are you okay? Do you need a moment? It's real bad, man. I'm not going to lie. It's real bad? Yeah, it's real bad. The taste is lingering. I wonder in this, you know, I guess this company that makes these, the, I guess they have meetings, right? They try to come up with the new flavors. You raised their hand at that meeting and said, you know what we need? Fish. I wouldn't be like, no. Would you like to know the what I'm dealing with here? The whole bad range. I say read as a select few old bandage, old band, stink bug, toothpaste, which doesn't sound too bad. If I get toothpaste, I think I can live with that. You know, it's just meant surely. Surely you'd hope so. Yeah. Okay. I'm glad you recovered. I'm going to sit down at my desk now and we got something special coming up. You know, I should have got, I should have brought some breath mints. That's what I should have done. I had nothing to bounce this, balance this against this, this flavor. I'm really sorry about that, man. I'm really, really sorry about that. I don't think you are. I feel like you say that, but I actually don't believe you. Okay. Well, we've got something really special coming up. One of my favorite things to do when we're raising money for St. Jude is meeting patients and their families, getting to know these kids, getting to know their parents, their aunts and uncles, their grandparents. It is such, it's such an amazing thing. I really love being able to hear their stories and just get to know them a little bit because each of these kids is really special and they're some of the most amazing people you'll ever meet. And I got a chance to sit down with a patient named Azalea and being able to talk with her and her mom about their journey, what brought them to St. Jude. And so I think we're going to roll that now. Life in Jamaica, it's a laid back type of thing. It's always sunny. And so, this is Azalea. Azalea is my heart. Azalea is such a happy child. Nothing keeps her down ever. And she absolutely loves the beach. Azalea is a social butterfly and Azalea has changed my entire perspective on life. Azalea at two years old, she was diagnosed with cancer and everything just changed just like that. Her oncologist sent in a referral. We packed our bags and we moved to another country. And the best thing to ever happen was coming to St. Jude. In Jamaica, our resources are a little different. So, when I heard the news that she had a tumor, all I was seeing was darkness and St. Jude kind of brought me back to life. As a father, the simple stuff that we take for granted, St. Jude gave me back all of that. Why are you riding in circles? She calls St. Jude her home now. So funny. It made us feel like we had no worries at all. Azalea has made me so strong because she's so strong. She is never sad and she is never down and I'm just so grateful to her for it. And here we are today. She's happy. She's healthy. She sees St. Jude as her next home and it makes my heart smile. Azalea, Simone, how are y'all? We are good. Thank you. Thank you for joining. Azalea, Simone, how are y'all? We are good. Thank you. Thank you for joining me. Thank you for being part of this wacky event. It's always fun to meet other St. Jude families and talk about your story. So thank you so much for coming on today. Absolutely. And thank you, Stephen, for all that you do. We're happy to be here. You bet. So tell us a little bit about your family, y'all's background, where you're from. Well, we are from Jamaica. We're from the beautiful island of Jamaica. And we came to St. Jude in January of 2016. Azalea has a little sister, baby sister. We call her St. Jude baby because she was almost born on the halls of St. Jude. Her sister Hadley. And of course, I have a husband, Ricardo, who is Azalea's dad. And we are a Memphis family, you could say. And we've been a Memphis and St. Jude family since January of 2016, when we got here for Azalea's treatment for rhabdomyosarcoma. So I'm from Memphis. I was born and raised here. I've got a poster back there. Is that Memphis on it? What was it like making that journey? I want to talk about St. Jude in a second, but as a Memphian, I'm just curious. I'd imagine there's some culture shock there. A little bit. Yes, yes. We have been to the United States before Azalea's diagnosis, but we have family that is down there in Florida. And the whole atmosphere and weather and everything in Florida is a little bit similar to Jamaica. So we were familiar with that before. But then we heard that we were coming to Tennessee. We had never been to Tennessee before. We had never been to anywhere above Florida, really. And when we heard that we were coming here, I literally had to look on the map of the United States to have an idea of where Tennessee was, much less Memphis. So it was bittersweet coming here because it was good to experience a new type of culture, but it wasn't sweet in terms of the circumstances that we needed to be here. There are no direct flights from Jamaica to come to Memphis. So we had to take two flights to get here. And we had long layovers. So we had to travel for almost, I think it was between 12 to 14 hours in total to actually get here between flights. But it was a good experience. Memphis is rich in culture and we appreciated that. And I would imagine that that first journey, I mean, ours was a drive across town. I remember being terrified the whole way. Could you tell us a little bit about the diagnosis journey and how you ended up coming to St. Jude? Well, Azalea was only two years old when she was diagnosed. She was a baby. Being an observant mother, I saw something that I was not comfortable with and I couldn't explain it. So we had several follow ups with our local pediatrician, who eventually referred us to a pediatric surgeon who decided that she needed to do a biopsy. And that's when we got her diagnosis. But just before we got her formal diagnosis, she suspected that this could be rhabdomyosarcoma. And when she said it, it rolls off my tongue now. But when she said it at the time, I was like, huh, what? I haven't typed out here and it's really long. There's a lot of letters in there. My exact words to her were, could you write that down for me, please? And she had to write it down. I still have that little piece of paper that she gave me and she wrote it down. And I had no idea what it meant. She just said, I think it could be rhabdomyosarcoma. And I went home and I did my research. And my gut feeling told me that even before we got the results, that this is what it was going to be. And when I satisfied, you know, my curiosity to say, this is what it's going to be. I said, if this is what it is, then we have to find the best treatment plan for her. It doesn't matter what we have to do, but we have to. Death is not an option. It wasn't an option. This was our first child. It wasn't going to happen. Whatever we needed to do, we're going to do. So I went online, I did my research. And at that time, it was a thanks and giving campaign. So there were St. Jude commercials all over TV in Jamaica. The commercials were just there back to back to back. And, you know, I just looked and I said, they seem to be in the business of saving lives. So, you know, this is where she needs to be. And I wrote to St. Jude even before I got the formal diagnosis that it was rhabdomyosarcoma. And they wrote back in less than two hours and they said, when you get the diagnosis, just let the doctor send a referral and we will see what we can do. And that's exactly what happened. Yeah. When we got the formal diagnosis and I said to the doctor, how do we get her to St. Jude? And she looked at me kind of bright eyed. She was saying, you know, how do we move from diagnosis to you saying that? And I said, how do we get her there? We send them a referral. And she did it within 10 minutes. She sent them the referral. She went on her computer and less than two hours from her sending it, we were sitting in our car lost, not knowing what to do. She was such a bouncy, happy child at the time. She was in the backseat of the car laughing and talking. And her father and I was just sitting in the front, holding each other's hand, feeling very lost. You know, we didn't know. We didn't even know if we were supposed to drive home. We just got the worst news we could possibly get. And we were just sitting there wondering what's next step. And the phone rang while we were in the car. And the doctor said, St. Jude wrote back and they said, how soon can you get here? Wow. Yeah. And that's where it started. We packed our bags and we decided that we were moving to another country to fix our child. That's where it all started. That's amazing. One of the true honors I have is to talk to a lot of different patient families. And one thing that is, I think it's universal with all of us, is the idea that St. Jude is this beacon of light, this beacon of hope that when you're in that car with your husband and your baby and you get this terrible news, that there is that light on the horizon. And do you remember like your first impressions of arriving at St. Jude about kind of stepping into this world? Yeah. Well, we arrived at night time. I think it was almost midnight when we actually, when we finally got to Memphis. First of all, we were at the airport. You know, when you are a parent and you're thinking about the well-being of your child, everything else is blocked out. So, I mean, they told us that they would pick us up at the airport. But for some reason, when we got there, we were expecting like a cab to be there or, you know, we didn't know what to expect. They said somebody will get you. But when we got there, there was somebody warm from the bus driver. You know, they had their sign up. They took our bags from us and they welcomed us and they said, I'm sorry that you're here, but we're here to take you. And we just felt comfortable from that car ride. And I remember driving from the airport to the hospital and I was just, you know, looking around in the dark with all the lights. It's not. Jamaica is a very small island, so we don't have all of that. And deep down, I was terrified. But then the level of comfort that I had from the just the experience of them picking us up and driving through those gates of St. Jude, I knew she was going to be OK. And we went through the doors of those hospitals and we were welcomed with open arms. And we, you know, we had all our papers and everything in one bag and we we were worried. My husband and I were thinking, I wonder if they'll take our insurance. We don't know. I wonder how much this is going to cost us. We don't know. You know, I wonder where we're going to stay. We don't know. Did we have enough food with us that she needed? Did we have enough clothes? Should we have taken some bed sheets? You know, we were just uncertain as to what was going to happen. But we were just happy that we were in a place that said that they were going to take care of her. And that night, you know, they took the information just to check her in and they made sure to check her to make sure she didn't have any immediate needs. At the time, no medical needs. And they said, OK, you know, we have everything in place. You need a good night's rest. Do you need to go get something to eat? And they just took us to the child out and we were in awe. We were like, is this real? Should we pinch ourselves? Is this really happening? Are they really providing all of this comfort just to take care of our child? You know, we were just in awe, but we were in awe. But then we also felt that level of comfort that we needed. We just knew from then on that everything was going to be OK. You know, they made sure that they took care of our needs so that they could take care of Azalea's needs. And I think that is what we appreciated more than anything else. Yeah, for people out there watching who may not know, St. Jude, in addition to taking care of medical needs without billing the parents a dime, all the needs that surround that are taken care of as well. You know, most families aren't like mine where we were local. Most people travel great distances. And so things like housing and transportation and meals, that's all part of this care that St. Jude gives. One thing that I absolutely love, and so you've been to the Memphis airport, you know it's not the biggest airport. There are much bigger ones across the United States. But one of my favorite things to do when I'm in the airport traveling for work is I just kind of keep my eye out for St. Jude families. And you see people coming and going, and St. Jude is taking care of all of that stuff and dealing with all of these logistical problems that I think you said earlier, your focus is on your child, right? You're not thinking about, I've got to book this flight, I've got to find a hotel. You don't need to be thinking about those things in that moment. And so when people support St. Jude, they're also supporting this sort of 360 degree sphere of care around us. Right. I always say to persons, whenever I'm Mitchell and I'm going through an airport, I wear my St. Jude gear. Something that says St. Jude, because it's almost as if I want somebody to ask me about St. Jude. I'm always so excited to tell the story. And I tell persons all the time, I said, you see that 30 second commercial on TV, but I can tell you that this hospital provides so much more than what you could possibly imagine. You know, they give so much to the families and the children and they extend themselves to make sure that the children that they're taking care of is OK. When we sat with Azalea's doctor for the very first time after that first night that we were there and we sat with her, we still weren't sure at that time what was going to happen because, you know, we were prepared to sell our house and both our cars and everything back home to finance this treatment that she was about to get. We knew it was going to be the best and we knew that it had to be at some cost to us, even though the commercials say persons never see a bill. They're like, there must be something we have to pay for. This cannot be real. You're looking for the catch, right? Yeah, we're looking for the catch. What's the fine print? And I think the first time that we sat with Dr. Stewart, which was her doctor, she said, you know, she put her hands on mine and she said, before we go any further, I need to tell you two things. I said, you never, she said, you never have to worry about a bill from St. Jude, housing, travel or food. And I was like, huh? I almost didn't understand what she was saying. And she said, the second thing I need to tell you is that what Azealia has, we can fix this. And I promise you, we have never worried from that point on. We knew that everything was going to be okay. And it was a lot of comfort for my husband as well, because we're an international family. You know, clearly I couldn't work. Azealia can't travel. We were going to be here for 13 months. So somebody had to work and he had to travel back and forth. And he was comforted by the fact that we were going to be okay, because he was worried as well as a father and a provider and a protector that he, you know, wasn't going to be able to protect us the way that he should be, that he's not going to be here. So he had that level of comfort to know that his family was going to be okay when he wasn't going to be there. And we were in need for nothing. We were housed. We were fed. The social worker, I found out that I was pregnant the day after I got Azealia's diagnosis. Oh, what a week. Exactly. I mean, we found out we were pregnant with our second child and then we heard that we have to move to another country. Yeah. Even then the social worker there helped me to find a gynecologist. I'm sorry, an OBGYN off campus. You know, they made sure that they took care of our every need and helped us to address all of the needs that we had so that we could zoom in and focus on Azealia and taking care of her. So there is so much more that is provided and so much more that is involved in taking care of a child with critical illnesses. And St. Jude ensures that they think of all of that. I was told that I should ask Azealia about the first time she saw snow. Could I hear about that story? Do you remember? No. She probably didn't remember because she was all of two years old. But this child has been obsessed with snow since as long as I can remember. So it was her most exciting thing. Even now when we do checkups, she always wants to know the time of year that we do checkups because she wants to be here when it is snowing. So we were here in February when you had that huge snowstorm. Back in February we had several inches of snow and can you tell her excitement? She was so excited. She wanted to be out there every day. She wanted to play with it. It's her favorite time of year when it is snowing. It's just her thing. She's just in love with it. And it was one of her comfort things as well, just knowing that she could be out there in the snow. All of her movies that she used to watch and she used to see it in, just to see it now in person and to play with it. It really made her happy and it still does make her happy. It makes her think of St. Jude and Memphis all the time. So it was just sweet and a pleasure watching her playing in snow all the time. The first time that she saw it, her dad and I were almost brought to tears because it was the excitement that she saw. Of course, we're never going to ever see anything like that in Jamaica. So just from their excitement of seeing all of that and playing with it, it was really heartfelt for us to see it. My kids are the same way. We don't get a lot of snow here. It sounds like y'all have gotten really lucky with the times we've had it. But my kids are the same way. The night before, they're asking, they want to go outside and sled and throw snowballs. So I totally understand that excitement. I share it too. Well, lastly, and then I'll let you guys get back to your day. If you could tell all the fundraisers and donors who support St. Jude just one thing, what would it be? You know, I don't think they understand the impact of their donations to St. Jude. And, you know, I would always say to someone that donates to St. Jude, I say, look at Azalea. Look at Azalea. This is what you're helping to do. This life that is sitting here and thriving and surviving. This is what you're helping to do. You're helping to save a life because your donations literally help to save her life. The surgery that was done to help to in her in her treatment. It's the first of its kind ever done in the United States. Yes, it was the first of its kind. And it has since been a part of the protocol to treat her particular type of rhabdomyosarcoma. And St. Jude freely shares their research all over the world, all over the country. And because of your type of donations, it is helping to save children like Azalea, not just in the United States, but all over the world. And we can attest to that. So this is what your donations are helping to do. You are literally saving lives and children like her all over the world. And we are forever grateful for every penny that you donate to St. Jude, no matter how small it adds up. It adds up to giving life. Thank you. I can't say it any better. Thank you so much for your time. And I hope you guys make it back to Memphis next time we have a snowstorm. I hope so, too. Thank you so much. I'll save a snowball for you. Thank you, Stephen. Thank you. Hello and welcome back. How are you, Michael? I'm in the balloon room. Yes, I'm in a shiny jacket. So we forgot for you to put on your jacket earlier. This is Stephen's very special spinning the wheel presenters jacket. That's right. Can you believe I just owned this already? It's kind of incredible, but I guess enough people have not spent time with you in nightclubs. I have seen it before. We got to spin the wheel, Stephen Hackett. Come on. All right, let's do it. All right, here it goes. Here it goes. On the wheel of adventure. Where are we going to land, Stephen Hackett? Number 10. Okay, what is number 10? What is number 10? Number 10 is... Oh. Take a swing at PC Junior. Now, Stephen, what on earth does this mean? So I have an IBM PC Junior. Which people are going to find out a little bit more about later on, right? Yes, a little bit later in a few hours, Quinn Nelson, my ghost on Flashback, is going to join me. We're going to talk about this computer and why I thought that it would be a good one to smash. So we're going to take the first swing. Go for it. I want to see it. Come on, what have you got? What equipment do you have? I have the computer itself. I have the keyboard and I have a wooden baseball bat. Okay, so you're going to use the keyboard? I'm going to use the keyboard. There it is. Look at that. How picturesque. I know, right? Isn't that nice? Do you have protection? Yes, I do. I need to hand out some protection, actually. So I'm going to set the microphone down. Okay. So obviously this is a very delicate maneuver that we've got going on here. So we've taken all necessary precautions so that pieces of PC Junior didn't find their way into the eyes of others. As you can see, Stephen Hackett now has some very fetching eye protection. This is a very professional set. It's a closed set. This is something that you should not try at home with your own PC Junior. If you have a PC Junior at home, please do not smash it to pieces like Stephen. Do not do what Stephen does. Just enjoy watching what he does. Go on, then. Here we go. Batter up. Oh my God! Did you break the bat? What happened there? I could—it looked like something flew off. What on earth happened there? Is PC Junior dead? Oh my God. Well, a corner of it's missing, that's for sure. Stephen! I had no idea you had it in you. Someone's been working out over the pandemic. I do. I don't think we put enough parp down. Wow. There's plastic all over the studio. You see? This is old technology. You were not ready for the brittleness of old technology. Sorry, everybody. Good. Can we get a confirmation that everybody in the studio does not have PC Junior as part of their lives now? Yeah, everyone is okay. Do you want to give it another spin? Huh? You want to do another spin? Yeah, let's do another spin. Come on. Let's do another spin. Let's see what we got. Ooh, that was a good spin. You're using your bat as arms now. Where's it going to land? Where's it going to land? Look. Well? Nine! Nine! Definitely not cheating, so we're going to go to the Board of Peril now. I don't think anyone can take another PC Junior swing immediately. Let's see what happens. You're going to drop into the Board of Peril. Don't forget the audio. There's terrible things to happen to me and Stephen. Number eight. TikTok challenge. Okay, so I should explain this. There are many things on the Board of Peril that cannot be completed immediately. We are continuing to raise money for St. Jude throughout all of September. So there are many things that you can see on the Board of Peril list, which Stephen can now highlight to you. Wait, you should just move your arm up and down, Stephen. There we go. You'll see there's many things there that wouldn't make sense for immediate. So, for example, a day of phone case use or a day of Android use. So these are things that are going to happen when, Stephen? Starting after the Podcastathon. And so we will be raising money all month. We also have some streams coming up after the Podcastathon sometime next week. So keep an eye on Relay Twitter account and on the Tiltify page at stjude.org. And we will be explaining those as we go. And so the TikTok challenge, there are some young people in the social media team over at St. Jude who are going to instruct us on some TikTok challenges that we need to complete. And we'll be posting those after the Podcastathon. That's right, because we're too old to know how TikTok works. Indeed. We have many, many things, and we don't understand it. But we will be doing it later on. What's the time right now? Do we want to do one more spin before we bring in our first special guest of the evening? One more spin? All right. Let's see what happens. Maybe we're going to take another bat to PCJr. Because that seems to be all the board wants to do right now. There's part of it way up here. Yeah. See? It's almost like it was a bad idea. No, it wasn't. You ready? Yeah. Give it another go. Wow. You really give that some... Around and around it goes. The whole thing is wobbling. Number seven. Back to the board of peril, my friend. I don't like the board of peril. Well, luckily, I guess so far, none of the really bad things have happened. That's true. All right. Are you ready? I'm ready. Number nine again. Update profile pics. Okay. Let's do it. All right. I need my phone again. I feel like I need to start it further over next time. Yeah. I feel like you're not giving it a fair shake. Okay. Maybe I just like changing my Twitter picture a bunch and annoying all my followers. Edit profile. All right. All right. Are you ready, Mike? I'm ready. I'm going to get some of that gold jacket in there. I am going to tell my followers. Tweet it. There we go. I'm going to include the donation page. That would have been good to do. It's a bit of context. Yeah. Mine is contextless. I have to do some live tweeting now. Next time. H-T-T-T-P. I never know whether I need to include that. Do I need to write the H-T-T-P myself? No. You do not. Okay. Well, I've done it anyway. Handcrafted. Let's hope that I spelled it correctly. With me, you never know. There we go. I'm up. We're being told we can do some more things. Stephen, I would like to see you, now you've got your jacket off, attempt another hula hoop. Come on. You can do it. I believe in you. This could be the time. It could be right now where you actually get a real sustained hula hoop action going on. I have a little stand for the microphone now. I've got an upgrade in the studio. People were nervous standing near me. Yeah, I'm not surprised. Here we go. Can you do it? Stephen Hackett, competing for the US of A in the Olympic Challenge for hula hooping. He has so far been unsuccessful in his attempts. Hey, look, this is drama. I'm saying drama. I know, but then when you do it, I can give you a gold medal. It's like chill. Here he goes. He's stepping up to the plate. He's got a hard difficulty. He's got the... and he went for the special knee trick. That's gold for the US of A. That was an interesting move, Stephen. I'm not going to lie. I've never seen someone do it on their knees before. I'm not very good at it. You know what you could try? You could try it on the arm, too. You put the arm out and you spin it around. We've got loads of options for you. We are currently at $392,014 raised for the kids of St. Jude. Thank you so much. We are now less than $10,000, less than $8,000 away from our first milestone goal of the evening, which is $400,001. That's amazing. That $1 is actually pretty special, that singular dollar. It represents the soul and the essence of just one man, one beautiful man with the greatest smile anyone has ever seen. I think many people know him as the most memorable host of the Accidental Tech podcast, the most beautiful, with the greatest voice, the warmest smile. The thing is I can see him right now, which is great because I get to watch his face getting more increasingly red. Of course I am talking about Casey Liss, and we have cooked up something really special, Casey and I. We're going to put Stephen Hackett to the test. Over the last year or so, Casey and I have really gotten back into Formula 1 because of the Netflix documentary, Drive to Survive, which I recommend people watch. We know Stephen has not. What we want to do is, and what we're going to do, is we want to see if Stephen can guess the names of a selection of F1 drivers. We've put together a little PowerPoint presentation for Stephen, and he's going to have three options. We're going to give him the person and three options, and all he has to do is guess which name is the correct name. Now I think we have Casey standing by, and if we do, there he is. Hi, Casey Liss. Hello, hello, how are you? All right, I'm making my way out of the balloon room right now because I need to drive the presentation. Yes, please. Casey, thank you for joining us. Thank you. It's a pleasure to be here. That introduction, I hope I live up to it, but I am extremely excited to be a part of this and to be the first guest. Clearly, you saved the best for first is what I'm hearing, and so here I am. We needed to pop the ratings early, Casey, so we had to bring you in. I understand, I understand. I am very excited for this. As you said, Mike, I have been getting very into F1 this last year or two, and you and I have spent a fair bit of time working on this, especially you, Mike. I really am enthusiastic about this. This should be a barrel of laughs, and if it isn't, you can make yourself feel better about it by donating and going to stjude.org. Relay, which is something you should do right now. I think it's not my show, so forgive me, but I think it would be cool if we passed $400,000 during this segment. We only have maybe 10, 15 minutes. I think we can do it. I think we can challenge the viewers and the listeners to do it. I think we can get there, so let's see what happens. I like it. All right, I have the presentation ready. Excellent. But I think we're just getting in the production room. We're just rearranging a lot of windows. This is a very complicated situation we've got going on here. Understood. Stephen, I will kill time while this is going on. That jacket is very loud. The gold one? Yes, it is. Well, you know, I was thinking about it, and I texted you, and you showed me a picture of your silver one. I said, well, I could do an old one. Did I, though? You did. I'm pretty sure that's not made up on the spot. No, definitely not. Also, you realize you are destroying what is basically my childhood. I am the child of an IBMer, an almost lifelong IBMer, and I'm watching you destroy that poor PCjr, and it's breaking my heart. What you don't know is your dad sent it to me. It's actually your old one. Oh, that's even worse. That's even worse. Why are you so mean to me? Well, that's all right. I'm going to pay you back here in a second. Okay, I can mail you pieces of it because they're everywhere. Magnificent. All technology breaks beautifully. True. Goodness gracious. And dangerously. Well, that has, what, like 40 years of wear on it, so it's just going to shatter always. Thank you, Matthew, for your donation of $700. Thank you so much. Somebody has also donated $111 that says, meet me at the PeopleMove, A'Kasie. Oh, well done. That is a Disney World reference. I dig it. That sounds like a fun evening for everyone involved. Moving around the park at four miles an hour. That's right. Maybe Space Mountain's lights will be on. You never know. Shortly. We're just handling some technical. Maybe I put some Lego in the iMac. That sounds like a good idea. That's a great idea. Why don't you do that? Wait, don't forget the Foley works, Stephen. Come on. That's the best part. There we go. Now we're cooking with gas. What? Take the top off. Oh, no. There's IBM parts in the box of Lego back here. Isn't it kind of beautiful to add pieces of the IBM to the iMac? It's true, yeah. So we're just going to... Oh, this is going terribly. I don't know if you can see it. They're Lego. I mean, plastic. Generic plastic blocks. Generic plastic building blocks. Just use your hand. Let's just go wild here. You're not keeping track. Yeah, you're not. That's not keeping track. Well, it's not a real scientific instrument. I hope you have more than that because you just used all of them. There are 5,000 of them. Okay, you got more. Yeah. Do you know you can buy plastic building blocks in bulk? It's great. I didn't know that. Okay. All right, I think we're ready. So this is going to be very simple for you, Stephen. You're going to see a picture and three names, and all you have to do is guess the name of the individual. I don't think we have the presentation visible right now. We are working on that as we speak. I will quickly draw a picture of an individual. While we're waiting, you know, I know it's plastered all over the screen, but I used this as a visual aid on something that will be happening maybe later today. Is this backwards? No, it's not. All right. That's where you should go and donate right now. We are at almost $394,000. I really think we can get to $400,000. And at the rate we're going, by the time the presentation is ready, we might be there. So we're good to go. I thought F1 racing was supposed to be fast. What are you all doing? You clearly didn't see a couple of races ago when it was very rainy. I have not. Now, Stephen, to fill some space here, are you a NASCAR fan? Are you saying that because I live in Tennessee? I would never make that sort of suggestion, but yes, yes, that's exactly why I asked. No, I'm not a big race fan. I should be. I like cars. I like football and basketball and a bunch of other stuff, but I've never really made the connection with the motorsport. Yeah, you know, for me, it never really clicked either until, I guess we're going to plug a Netflix series because they really need any more money. But Drive to Survive is a very good documentary series where they talk about kind of the people within F1 and the teams behind it. And I think I had read some rumors that they're going to be doing something similar for NASCAR in the next couple of years, and maybe we'll be into it. Richmond, Virginia, which is where I am, has a racetrack here where NASCAR races, and I have heard it is a heck of a fun time. I've never been, and I would like to go at some point. If nothing else, my understanding is the people watching is just fantastic. Oh, there's a presentation. Okay. Look at us. All right. How would you like to handle this, Mike? Am I kind of moving this along, or are you doing this, or are we going to tag team it? Why don't we do one each? All right. Shall I start? You can start. Just read the three names. Okay. So this is wrong. Okay. So on screen you see an individual. Is this individual's name? Cuckoo Marlin, Nikita Mazepin, or Papa Moneybag, Stephen? I mean, the third one sounds right to me. Well, there's some truth to it, which will explain it. I'm going to go with number two. That is correct. Well done, Stephen. Yeah. I need a bell. For himself. It's self-bell. Yeah, that's quite right. So there's an argument that Nikita Mazepin has earned his race seat by his parents donating or giving or buying a whole bunch of shares of the team in which he races. I'm getting the details wrong here, but you get the idea. You are getting them very wrong, but it's money related. It's money related. No, that's not. Stephen doesn't need to know, but- No, I don't care. Really amazing. We were really honest. That's quite all right. All right. So driver number two, is this Mick Schumacher, Prince Racing, or Maximilian Maier? Well, Prince Racing would be an excellent title, like Prince Flexi on Connected. But I know Schumacher is a racing family, so I'm going to go with number one. You may. That is correct. Hit the bell. Good work. I didn't know you knew Michael Schumacher. That's why. I didn't know you knew he was a racing family. I didn't know that. Hence Prince Racing, because he is the son of one of the most successful Formula One drivers of all time. So now we are on to driver number three. Okay. Excellent. Is this individual's name Federico Vatici, Antonio Gibonacci, or Carlo Orlan? Number one is definitely a made up name. How could it not be? It's how it translates into English. So I'm going to go with number two, Antonio. Very well done, Stephen. You are three for three. Wow. You're killing this. Did you cheat? Have you been cheating? No. I think he's been researching. I'm not. Even in our tech rehearsal yesterday, this was on screen, and I turned my face away and covered it so I couldn't see it. I did hear about that. It was very funny to watch. Okay. So the next driver. Okay. Here he is. Is this Kimi Raikkonen, Jon Force, or Valtteri Bottas? I'm going to go... This one's harder. It's not number two. Jon Force sounds like some sort of knockoff spy, but not on a good TV show. Okay. And thank you, Ed, for your donation of $1,000. That is incredible. Thank you, Ed. Well done. I'm going to go with number one. Kimi Raikkonen? You are unstoppable. Look at you. That is correct. By the way, Jon Force is a real person, was an actual... Was he a NASCAR driver, Casey? I think that's right. NASCAR or drag racing. I forget exactly where we sourced that name. Real driver. We sprinkled some real but hilarious driver names in, typically from either drag racing or NASCAR. Cuckoo Marlin was another one, by the way. Yep. Oh, okay. Here is our next driver, Casey. All right. Are you looking at Will Power, Mitchell Tremblay, or Nicholas Latifi? You know what? I've been right so far. My gut's probably going to let me down now, but I'm going to go with number three. Nicholas Latifi. Stephen, you are unstoppable. Well done, sir. Again, also Will Power, real driver's name. Real name. Nice. Okay, so this individual here, is this William Williams, George Russell, or Russell George? Wow. It's number one, William Williams. You are incorrect, and you fell right into my trap. Oh, it's on his shirt. Exactly. That was the trap. Finally, we got one on him, Casey. Okay. Still doing well, though. Still doing well. All right. Are you looking at Dagger or Dag Run, Mace Walk, or Lance Stroll? Hopefully, you're detecting the theme here. We were very proud of the theme, to be honest. Oh, we were so excited. We were so proud of ourselves in that moment when we came up with it. Mace Walk sounds like a Sith Lord in Star Wars. Mace Windu, right? Yeah. Mace Walk was his father. That's exciting. I don't know how that works. In Jedi, they take the first name? I don't know how that works. The Sith do things differently. I'm going to go with Dag Run. I'm sorry, but that is incorrect. It is Lance Stroll is the correct answer. Right into our trap there. We put Dag in to particularly trick you, so you fell right into it. All right. Here's our next individual. Is this Thotastien Sebel, Sebastian Vettel, or Fonty Flok? Number two, Sebastian. Sebastian Vettel? Yes. You are correct. Was that purely from instinct? Yes. The first one doesn't sound like a first name, and the third one sounds like a release of Ubuntu, so I went with number two. Again, real driver's name, Fonty Flok. That is an absolutely perfect description. Let me just take a very quick pause and say we are almost at $396,000. We are most of the way through our drivers, so now is the time if you're holding out, listeners, viewers, please. Put your foot on the gas. $4,000 away from our $400,000 milestone. We can do it. Okay. Moving right along, is this driver Esteban Ocon, Oconstaban Este, or Castrol Edge? See, you tricked me with the name earlier. Uh-huh. And Castrol is a type of engine oil, I believe. That is correct. Is it? I mean, what? What? Esteban, yes, his family's oil company. Esteban is my name in Spanish, which is interesting. So here's the thing. You tricked me with the name before, so this time, either it's not a trick and you want me to think it's a trick again, or it is a trick, you want me to think it's not a trick, but then it really is a trick. We're in his head, Mike. We've got him. Right where we want him. And then the second one, which is just an unusual name to me. But, you know, Stevens have to stay together, so I'm going to go with number one. Esteban Ocon? Yeah. Casey, is he correct? That is correct, I am sad to say. However, he is French, not Spanish, interestingly. But, yes, Esteban Ocon. Look, Estebans know no bounds. It's often said about us. Something like that. Okay. Is this Fernando Alonso, also Federico, or Alonso Ferdinando? Number one. Correct. That is Fernando Alonso. I'm really good at this game you made up. I was surprised everyone reminded me of Federico. This is the second. It's interesting. Maybe I just think about him a lot. Who knows? Who doesn't? Moving right along, is this Federick Petroli, Pierre Gasly, or Arnold Hybrizio? I'm going to go with number three, Arnold. I'm sorry to say that is incorrect. It is Pierre Gasly. Also, do you see the theme to this driver? Yes, it's all methods of propulsion. Yes, indeed. This is all Mike. This was very well done. One of my favorites. However, my absolute favorite is coming up, perhaps next even. So, Mike, would you take it away? No, I don't think this is going to happen. Oh, no, not next. But it's all right. Is this Kenoda Yutzi, Tsuki Yonoda, or Yuki Sonoda? Can you say those all again really quickly? Kenoda Yutzi, Tsuki Yonoda, or Yuki Sonoda? Number three. Correct. That is Yuki Sonoda. Man, you are doing very well. I should have been keeping a tally. Obviously, we did not prepare. No one keeps a score? No. Someone must be somewhere. Somewhere. Someone must keep a score. Moving along, is this driver that you see on the screen Carlos Sainz, Federico Ferreiro, or Enzo Ferrari? Choose carefully. Number one. Correct. I'm disappointed to say that is correct. Yes, that is. Enzo Ferrari is way older than that, dude. I think he's passed away. Federico Ferreiro. Come on. Is this Charlie Ferrari, Charles Leclerc, or Enzo Ferrari? Charles Leclerc or Chuck Monaco? Thank you. We'll see. Number two. That is Charles Leclerc. This is very well done. Another one of our favorite trios. The theme here made us very happy. Hey, thank you, Chris, for your donation of $5.01. $500.01. $500.00. What did I say? $5.00. $5.01, Chris. It was just a smidge more than that. Just a teeny bit. All right. Is this driver that you are seeing here, Bruce Shane, Will Power, or Daniel Ricciardo? Will Power. That is a real name. However, you are looking at Daniel Ricciardo. And I just realized he is Will Power twice. That's why I thought maybe he was coming back for a second round. That is Daniel Ricciardo. He just won a race this weekend. That's true. Good for Daniel. Okay. Is this individual here Lando Norris, Bobby Calrissian, or Frederick Mandalorian? All Star Wars names. Very good. Number one. That is indeed Lando Norris. Very well done. Again, the theme made us incredibly happy. Wow, look at this third name. All right. We have lost the presentation. There it is. Okay. We have got Sergio Perez. How did I end up with this one? Chaco Honda, or Wolfgang Alexander Albert Edward Maximilian Reischraff Berg von Trips. I will not be saying that again, so please don't ask. The third one is so specific. I lean towards that one. I'm sorry, gentlemen. I must stop right now because the creator of emoji, the owner of the smiley face has donated $3,000. Yes. Thank you, Jeremy. $400,000. Oh, yeah. Let's mash on that button. That's what I'm talking about. Thank you. See, we will be once there's a lot happening right now. Once we have finished our little slideshow presentation here, we'll talk about what is next for our campaign. So please keep donating. We're not done. Thank you, Jeremy. Mr. Emoji. Thank you so much, Jeremy. Thank you. All right. Moving right along. Number three, Wolfgang. I'm sorry to say that is incorrect. It is actually Sergio Perez. The third one is so specific. Wolfgang Alexander Albert Edward Maximilian Reischraff Berg von Trips was a Formula One driver many, many years ago. Okay. He just went by von Trips. Okay. Is this. This is easily the best one. Easily the best one. Is this Mini Verstappen, Pro Verstappen, or Max Verstappen? Is his father Pro Max? Could be. Number three. If you name your child Mini, it's like you're kind of setting him up for some heartaches. I'm going to go with number three. Steven, he does come from a racing family. That is true. He has a car, but his name is Max Verstappen. I'd also like to thank Sunit, the original upgradian, because they've said it. I have to say it. $1,000. So we're now over $401,000 raised for St. Jude. Well done. We have just, I think, two more on our presentation here. Okay. This driver. Are you looking at Leo Finnisbin, Valtteri Bottas, or Harold Petronas? Choose carefully. So the first time, the name wasn't on it. And the second time, the name wasn't on it. So maybe the third time, the name is on it. But those are usually sponsor or team names, not the name of the driver, I would suspect. I will tell you that the driver's name is on every single suit. Yeah, but is it across the belly button? Who could know? Depends how important they are, I suppose. I'm going to go with number three. And this is, Casey, who is this? This is Valtteri Bottas, I am sorry to say. We're really kind of pleased, if I'm honest, but it is Valtteri Bottas. As it turns out, a little behind the scenes here, when we were putting this together, I don't remember if it was me or Mike, but one of us realized that their names actually are on their waistlines. So Mike had to crop everything in a little bit to make sure that we weren't getting it all wrong. The original version of this presentation had every single driver's name visible. If Casey wouldn't have called it, this would have been an absolute disaster. But you've done well anyway. I feel like I've done really well. Is this Hamill Lewiston, Lewis Hamilton, or Tony Hamilsoo? Number two, Lewis Hamilton. That is correct. You knew that one, right? It's like a household name. He sure is, because he is Sir Lewis Hamilton, and he is the best. That's why. Isn't it, Casey? I enjoy Lewis Hamilton, but oh man, if there's any human being that enjoys Lewis Hamilton, it is Michael Hurley. You know how many people will know Casey as a very USA, USA person? When it comes to Formula One, I am that guy to him. Oh yes, it is so true. We have a group chat, the wives and us, and every Sunday it gets crazy in there. All we hear about is Lewis Hamilton. It is super fun. Well, that is absolutely fantastic. I don't have any chat rooms in front of me. Do we have a final tally? If I was a professional, I would have tallied them myself. Someone has to know somewhere. We can always come back to it. What we can say is he did well. You did very well. I am very impressed. Thanks again to Mike for doing most of the heavy lifting on the names there. I thought they were fantastic. Mini Max and Prover Stappin were easily my favorites, but I thought all of them were very, very good. More important than anything else, all of us, all of us viewing, all of us listening, we have crossed $401,000. Well done. Absolutely amazing. Very, very well done indeed. Casey, thank you for joining us. Of course. Thank you for having me. I am going to go spin the wheel a couple of times. Yes, please. Best of luck, everyone. Please keep donating. Thank you so much for having me, and good luck for the rest of the time, y'all. Thank you. Thank you, Casey. Bye, guys. All right. Back to the wheel, I believe. I think it might be. I actually don't have my box of stuff, but I believe I can get that, or it can be passed to me. Go spin the wheel, and we are going to see what happens right now. I'm excited. Oh, here comes the very special jacket. It's jacket time. Here he goes. I'm excited to see where we're going to land now. Me too. We have another guest coming soon, too, but we're going to do some wheel spins. Don't forget, your donations make this wheel spin, and your donations will mean that me and Stephen have to do things. Some are good things. Most are not. So you can go and spin. You can donate. Every single donation adds towards the wheel spins. Every time we pass another $2,500 donated, we will add up the wheel spins. I think we have a few in the bank. Don't worry. We will get to them. Stephen, spin that wheel. It's slowing down. This is number 10. Number 6. Number 6 is buy a URL of chat's choice. I don't know if we decided who is going to buy the URL, though. One of us has to. Oh, yeah. That's a flawed plan. You have a break next. Let's do it that way. Well, I guess it has to be bought immediately. Someone has to not buy it. We will have to agree here, chat, when we pick this domain. You can't all go and buy it. What we're going to do now is we want people in the chat to start throwing out some suggestions for domains. Then our wonderful production team is going to pick one for us, and it will be told to us. We will come back with the domain that has been purchased after our next break. How does that sound? Do you want to do one more wheel spin? Please give another wheel spin. I'm just going to keep spinning it until the voice in my ear tells me to stop. Mm-hmm. Oh, here it goes. Here it goes. Number 1. The Board of Peril. The Board of Peril. Time we go back to the board. Stephen, from the left-hand side this time. Okay. You ready? Yeah. Oh. Oh, number 1. This is Generic Building Brick of Plastic Walk. Oh, no. This is a Stephen-related challenge, wherein plastic generic Lego bricks of various sizes, not Lego, sorry, building block plastic generic bricks, will be poured over the ground. And Stephen, as a dad, is very used to what this must feel like, plastic generic building blocks on the ground. They are being poured. I believe that is Grace who is helping us out there over in Memphis. Yes, naked Grace. Oh, look at that. Now, Stephen, get those shoes off. Please keep your socks on. This is a family show. What? I want to see you walking across the floor there. Okay. Remember the episode of The Office where they do the fire walk and Dwight falls into it? Yep. That could happen to me. Yep. Oh, you're going to go the whole way? Oh, look at that beautiful camera work. Oh, yeah. Our camera crew is just on top of it. Okay. Come on. Go the whole way. You can do this. Oh! There he goes. Look at this. Oh, I drug him. Paying for your money, everyone. It hurts us. Oh, that one is actually sharp. There he goes. Good work, Stephen. Oh, that's terrible. All right. Should we get one more spin in before we move to our next special guest of the evening? Sure. Or the afternoon? Maybe one more spin. Is it daytime still for you? I don't know. Okay. Yes, it's 12 o'clock. It's definitely evening for me. It's half past six for me here in London. Okay. Are we ready? Mm-hmm. I haven't put my shoes back on just in case. Oh, here we go. Number 16. Number 16. That is Stephen Reed's An Apple History Fact. Okay. This is exciting. I know that this is one you were particularly excited about because you get to show off your great knowledge. Yes. As a big calendar boy. Big calendar energy. Mm-hmm. This is one of my Kickstarter calendars, one of the proofs that I cut up, which really was a painful situation. Mm-hmm. I have all of the dates that are on my hardware calendar all inside this Mac Pro case, and I'm going to pick one. Is that the good Mac Pro? No. January 24th, 1984. The first Macintoshed. Macintosh. What? Sorry? If I find a typo in one of these, I'm going to die. Can you call that? What was the computer called? The Macintoshed? The Macintosh. The first Macintosh warned a crowd not to trust computers they couldn't lift. There we go. That's a pretty good one to start with, actually. Start at the beginning, you know? Stephen, before we get going here, oh, by the way, I have some fantastic domains being put in the chat, so I'm going to look forward to you picking one out at the end. Thank you to Boston and Eric for their donation of $500. Should we talk about where we want our goal to be next? Should we just do it? Should we just say it? It's big stuff. Yeah. Should we just really get in right here? Adina, can you please help with apparently there's a zooming situation going on. Adina is going to have to physically move the... No, no, this is a good camera. You got to zoom. Fix my pen here. There we go. Okay, you see us here? Look at that. Look how handsome you are. But look at you with your shiny jacket. We want to do half a million dollars this year for the kids of St. Jude. So come on. Yeah, can we get some applause in the studio? $500,000. This is what we're going to do. We're going to do it. By the end of September. Well, and one, of course. $500,000, one, but you got to go over. Just to put this into perspective, this year we passed a million dollars total raised over three years, which is an incredible amount because of your support. But this year we want to go to that next level. We don't just want to pass a million total. We want to raise half a million this year. So go to stjude.org. It is a truly huge number, but we believe in our community that we can get there together. So go and donate right now at stjude.org. Share on social media, share in Discord, share everywhere. That's where we want to get to, and we believe you can make it happen for us. That's right. Do you want me to read some of these domain names? If you think that you can trust the chat not to buy them. Okay, so I'll pick one, and then I'll come back. How about that? Yeah, I think that's a great idea. Because I believe that we're now going to be having our next guest. Is that correct? I think so. All right. So, Stephen, we're going to say goodbye to you for a bit. You go catch a breath and buy some domain names, and we'll catch you in a little while. Sounds good. And Dina, would you mind zooming out? The drama is over. There we go. Back to set. All right, so I think we are going to be joined very shortly by our next guest, who is one of the very wonderful hosts of the Material podcast here on RelayFM. I'm very excited to talk to her. It is Flo Ion. Flo, can you hear me? Hi. I can hear you just fine. We are part of the Z Flip gang. I have the purple one. You have one of the great cases. I do. Have you seen the case that they have with the strap that goes around the back? I have, but I don't have it. They didn't send it to me. They sent me this one and the beige one. This is what we're going to talk about today. Okay, great. Because I think that folding phones seem quite clear to be one of the very next things in technology. Samsung, they're really pushing the envelope out. But as somebody that I know, I read a really fantastic review. Was it for Gizmodo, the review? Yes, it was. That's right. It's a really great review that I recommend that everybody goes and checks out. You can read Flo's thoughts in detail about the Z Flip 3. But what do you like about flip phones in general? I like the versatility. I know that's like a real standard sort of tritely overused answer. But listen, I'm from the camp of the 2-in-1. I went over to a 2-in-1 when Chrome OS started doing it, and now I want it for my Android life. But the thing is, this isn't my phone. I have to send this back. So I have to go back to just like the regular slate phone life after this. And basically wait and see what's next. Because although Samsung did a really great job with the Z Flip 3, there's a bunch of other stuff that we're waiting to come out. I'm waiting for some options. I'm not quite there yet. But even with all the wonderful things that I've enjoyed about this phone, I'm going to be sad to not have any more when I have to send it back to Samsung. What are some of those things? What are some of the features, I think specifically at the Z Flip 3, that set it apart for you from other phones that you've tried and maybe other Z Flips? Pocketability. We can call it pocketability. I like that. Just the ability to put it into a bag and not have it take up all the space or a pocket of which, you know, us wearing the feminine array of clothing that is out there, we don't really have pockets in those things. And even when they do give us pockets, they're not very big. So that's one thing. But the other thing is also just... So you asked me what I like about it. To be quite frank with you, there's still a lot of work that also needs to be done before I could fully transition over to this form factor. Because as much as I love the ability to just sort of like do this and maybe do a selfie confessional or my favorite thing, and this is so vain but I don't care, this is why they put it on these phones, is I love to do a little confessional with the cameras. Have this on a stand and just sit there and like talk to myself through the viewfinder. You know? You gotta document things the way that you possibly can. I know Samsung put it on there because they're really trying to sell this to the youths, of which I am not. I am no longer a youth. So there's still a couple things that need to be... yeah. I think that this is the most, and again, like maybe I sound silly here, but I think this is the most fashionable phone. I agree. Wholeheartedly agree. I'm going to see this pop up. It's already popping up on like aesthetic reels everywhere in the video tinged social media channels. But the usability... The colors as well, right? So like you have that... is your green? Is that a green one that you've got? No, I've actually got this khaki variant right here. Okay. That's what they sent me. Mine is this really beautiful lilac purple. It's actually kind of funny really. I just realized that Apple just brought out the iPad mini and there's a purple one. Samsung beat them to the purple, I think. So I really... I think it just looks so great. And also you're saying about the pocketability thing. What I also just love is just when it's closed, just how holdable it is. More than any other phone. I've just got it now and it becomes like a little fidget toy. And in case maybe people will be able to see this, one of the things Flo was talking about is that you can... Let me see if I can do this. Double tap the power button. And now I am filming the webcam. There you go. You might be able to see it there. It's now looking back at you. So you can stand it up like this. Take a little picture of yourself. Very obviously for a particular kind of user. And that's what I wanted to say about usability is that my use case is I'm running after a toddler trying to capture every essence of her life because that's why they put cameras on our phones. And this form factor is still the best. And it's all because of this darn pop socket, I'm telling you. Okay. I'm a big pop socket person too. On my iPhone, I have a pop socket permanently. I don't want MagSafe. I want a pop socket. Yep. Same here. I will say I do take this off at night to put it on the wireless charger because I do want that capability. But that's why I get a nice little soft case to be able to make it easy. But absolutely. Did you ever see the donut charger, pop socket donut charger? They're made with the little hole in it. I bought one of those. Yes, I have. It did not work. Really? Because you've got to – you also have to choose to put your pop socket exactly where it needs to be to still hit the contacts of the charger. And I just put mine in a place where I guess it doesn't work. I wanted to ask you, so you mentioned like running around and that kind of stuff. What is it that's not working for you with this device? For the camera situation, for instance. If I'm chasing after a little one, I'm not going to double tap this and just like follow her like this. I mean these are the cameras that I want to use. These are technically the rear cameras that we're talking about here. Instead, I have to do this whole mechanism, open it up. I have it locked all the time. So I put extra security on there. I think I have face unlock. No, I didn't put it on. But even with face unlock, it takes that extra second to get into the camera app to fire it up. And by then, the moment is lost. So there's still like – there's these little considerations that we have to make. And I think this is going to pop up with the next batch of foldables and dual screen devices that are coming our way. I think there's going to be a usability that people have to really take into consideration. I do think that we'll get there though. I think a lot of people, they say like – one of the things that really seems to have been mostly solved, Samsung has done a great job this time, durability. I have no concerns about this phone. Take it into the shower. Yep. And that's a big thing because I take my phone into the shower to listen to podcasts. I do too. Bless you, by the way. Just put it inside. It's fine. Who needs a speaker? You just put it inside. It's not directly underneath the stream. It's just a little bit over here so you can do a little reading while your back gets wet. And I think that's a big thing that they've done this time is making this thing waterproof, which I could not believe when they announced it. It's like, hang on a minute. These things that get killed, we need to blow on them, right? That was my understanding before, but now they've made it waterproof, which is really cool. I mean, they figured out how to stuff in all the foam and how to seal the parts necessary to keep water out, at least for up to half an hour. It's only resistant. It's not proof. That would be a super long shower. You mentioned about other devices. And obviously I know, Materia, you very frequently talk about Pixel devices. So could you imagine Google going in this direction, the foldable direction? I'm already imagining it. Based on what I've been reading about rumors, which, by the way, I don't see them as truth. I don't see it as a look ahead. Well, excuse me, I do see it as a look ahead. That's why I'm bringing it up. I have seen some leaks that are leading me to believe the possibility of a foldable Plus. And just to bring in another brand name here, Microsoft is supposedly going to launch its Surface Duo 2 next week. So that's supposed to be an Android device. It's not a foldable in the sense that the flip and the fold are foldables with the actual screen that creases in the middle. You can actually on the video, you can kind of see the little crease with the light touching it. It's there. It's a concession you have to make. But it does bring to mind all these new form factors that are coming through. And I have to say, on the Android side of things, that makes things exciting. Did you ever spend time with the Duo, the first Microsoft Duo? Unfortunately, no. That phone looks so frigging cool. It just looked so cool. But I really hope, I know that there was like, you know, the resounding reviews from everybody in the space was just, the hardware is amazing. The software can't hold up. I really hope if they're going to do this, they're going to take another run at it and really try and make their version, their flavor of Android, that little bit more responsive. Because that device just looks so cool. Well, it was also, they pitted it as a phone, which I'm still not completely on board with. I'm just not on board with the idea. I know that the idea of the phone is going away for a lot of us. A lot of us talk, we, you know, retweet the memes of how we don't like talking on the phone. But the fact of the matter is that I still think of a phone in a very, like, finite sense of, it's a thing you hold up to your ear. And so when I don't have that out of a device, it just completely throws me off balance. And the Surface Duo didn't have some of the things that make a phone a phone, like contactless payments, which everybody's moving toward this year. And it doesn't even have a decent camera, which is like table stakes, right? Oh my God, that was like a big thing. And the problem with the camera is you had to orient the Duo in a certain way to actually take a picture, which, as the example I provided with this flip, that's just not, it's not feasible. It's not feasible. It's just not feasible. How far away do you think a Pixel folding phone could be? This year? A year. From now? You think it's a 2022 product? Yeah, I do, because I think Google's going to try and reestablish itself with this Pixel 6 that they're bringing forth, which is already, apparently, you can go see it in the window in New York City. Anybody who lives in New York City. I have such a, it's like, it's not bad, it's just different. It's such a different way of unveiling their devices now, right? I think the way that they're like, hey, here's the Pixel 6, we'll tell you more about it in like three months. It's a very interesting method of putting their announcements out there. And not just like putting the phone in a window that you can go see physically. Also, the, you know, the little interviews that they've done about like, here's what the hardware is going to be like, what you have to look forward to. We're doing our own TPUs. We're doing this and that. So it's like we already know about this phone, and I think it's because, again, they really want to reestablish themselves. Look, we have a flagship. If this does really well, maybe we'll finally put in that order for all those foldable displays from Samsung and see what comes in 2022. Do you think they have a chance of it doing really well, the Pixel 6? Based on the buzz I am seeing, I mean, it's a really different device from the, I'm sorry to say this to the last two Pixel phones, but they work, let's say lackluster. Like perfectly fine phones, great camera hardware, but nothing particularly stand out in terms of design. And with this Android 12, it's supposed to bring Material You, this whole new design paradigm, and I think this is just, you know, it's like those of us who reinvented ourselves during the pandemic. Like we really had time to sit down and think about what it was that was missing from our lives, what we wanted to do for ourselves, and I feel like Google did that. Google went and got a nice haircut when the salons reopened. But they have leaned into something with Material You, which is really interesting. You know, it was like iOS 14 started all of the, like this big trend. It actually, funnily enough, happened during the podcast last year, was when Widget Smith by David Smith blew up. That happened while we were live last year, and then it set this trend around again of like more people discovering customization stuff. And it seemed like, really, honestly, Google is the company that's picked that up, and they were like, hey, you can do even more here on Android 12. I'm pretty excited to play around with that, to be honest. Yeah, I agree. I've been a little dubious just because what I saw from the beta felt very, again, half-baked. But then they just launched that beta 5 last week on September 8th, and the widgets are coming together, and finally I'm starting to see what it's going to be like. I'm excited. It's been a while since I've been excited. We've been in a lot of darkness, so, you know, it's like, why not? Some colorful new interfaces coming through. Let's see what wallpapers I can try and spoof the UI with. Flo, thank you so much. Extract color. Yes. Thank you, guys. So great to talk to you. I'm so pleased. I actually think you may be popping up a little later on in the podcast-a-thon as well. We've got a wonderful segment that's coming up a little later on, so you might see more of Flo. But, Flo, where can people listen to you, hear you, see you on the internet? Oh, my gosh. Okay. So, first of all, if you want to go, readmeatgizmodo.com, which is where I work. You can go to flowrights.tech. That is my special little domain name that I have. Oh, that's a good one. Isn't it? That's some good branding, Flo. I like it. And that's my author page at Gizmodo, so you'll just get the whole reel of everything I've written, the last thing I wrote. And then you can go to florenceion.com if you'd like links to my social media. I've also got my own little Discord. We have a nice little community made up of listeners from Material, as well as All About Android, which is the other podcast that I'm on. So, Twitter network. Thank you, guys. Thank you. Bye. I'm showing off my Romanian. Yes, you are. You sound a lot better than a lot of Americans that try it, I'm just going to say. I have like four words, and I do a good job with them. Thank you, Flo. That's all you need. Thank you, guys. Bye. All right. So, back over in Memphis, setting up for something really special, something that we've been super excited about, which we're going to get to in a bit. So, we're going to hang out together for a little while, and I'm going to thank some of the people that have donated crazy, wonderful, incredible amounts of money, like Daniel, who just donated $500. We have a $250 donation from the, I'm going to give this a go, I apologize if I butcher this, the Schacht and Schneider family, thank you for the $250 donation. We have a $1,000 donation from JD. So, JD, just for you, right now, I'm going to eat one of these Bean Boozled Beans. All right, JD, let's see what you've got me going on here. This is either going to be, oh dear, buttered popcorn, or a rotten egg. Now, I am just going to say, I'm preparing here, I have a cup that was sent to me here from St. Jude, and if it's just too bad, it's going to have to go in the cup, but I will at least get the flavor. Let's see where we go. So, buttered popcorn, rotten egg. Oh, God. Nope, I can do this. Oh, boy. Hmm. Hmm. Oh, boy, it's not going. I would like to point out, Tobias, who donated $140.87, has said it spelled Schumacher, so I must have spelled the name Schumacher incorrectly. I apologize. I knew there was going to be a spelling error in there somewhere. Oh, my God, I can't get rid of the flavor. Oh, boy. Oh, yes, we have procured some of these. This is not a branded thing. I like this chocolate very much. It's mint flavored, so it is significantly assisting with the removal. Oh, boy. So, thank you so much for your donation so far. We are at $407,075, which puts us 81% of the way towards our now half a million dollars we are trying to raise together as a community to St. Jude Children's Research Hospital. I just want to thank, seriously, not only everybody who's donated, but also for all of you that are here and watching. I was able to peek at one point during a break to see the viewer numbers, and I'm absolutely blown away by just how many of you are here, hanging out with us. I really hope that you're having a good time so far. We have so much more left for the show today. We have tons of great guests, tons of great segments, and loads of wheel spins. I think that right now we have a short video that we want to play that will give you an idea of why we're doing what we're doing here for the kids at St. Jude and why this work is so important and what it means to so many people. So, I think we're going to take that away right now. Cole, he's my miracle child. I've had 10 miscarriages, and I was never able to have any more children. So, how does your miracle child get cancer? How does that happen? So, it started off with vomiting for no reason. He was also getting headaches, and it was getting to the point where he couldn't even walk home from school because he was in so much pain. We went to urgent care. We really pushed for a CT scan. There was a mass, basically a tennis ball-sized tumor at the base of his brain. We rushed over to our local children's hospital, and they did the recession there, and that's when they told us that he had cancer. Those are the worst words you can ever hear as a parent, that your child has cancer. Our oncologist reached out to St. Jude. St. Jude knew exactly what was happening. They already had a clinical trial going on, so he wasn't over-treated. He did 30 rounds of radiation, and then he had four rounds of chemo. What exactly is it that you're doing here? When we got here, we signed up for just about every research trial there was. The discoveries that St. Jude makes are shared freely around the world. And one more. What was important to me was knowing that anything that we did would help future kids. Because no child should die of cancer ever. Nice, son. So we had busy days. Get out the door, you don't get chemo anymore. They saved his life. They gave him a life to live. St. Jude's Children's Hospital After everything, I feel a lot better. Like, a lot better. I have my dog, and I have my family, and now I'm here. Our family motto is Family Together Strong. If it wasn't for St. Jude and the people who donate and give money, I wouldn't have my boy. So, yeah, absolutely, the people who give to St. Jude are part of our Family Together Strong. By far. St. Jude's Children's Hospital I'm a teacher. And kids are my life. And there's so many great things that you can do in the classroom. But I think it's important to teach the children about childhood cancer and St. Jude. Because through doing that, you teach compassion, and you teach empathy. And you show them how to care for people who are struggling, who are fighting for their lives. You can show them what they can do to help other children. Nobody expects their child to get diagnosed with cancer. But then when they are, you are so grateful that there's a place like St. Jude. St. Jude's Children's Hospital Hello. Welcome back to the balloon room. How many balloons do we have in here, Idina? 325 balloons are now occupying the balloon room. And that is because of your incredible donation at stjude.org. Right now I cannot see my screen, so I have to ask my incredibly hard-working assistant. I have a car in front of me. A trolley. An Ikea trolley. And on that trolley I have a PC, which is powering this whole stream. I have a big screen so I can see myself. And I get a view back into Memphis while they're setting up, which I'm really genuinely excited about. I'm going to be watching it along with all of you. I think I'm a little low, so I'm just going to come up. You know what I can do? I can just sit in here with you. So you can go to stjude.org. Right now. And you can donate. When you donate, so many wonderful things happen. Not only are you helping the kids at St. Jude, you're also going to make us do lots of incredible, wild, and wonderful things. I get to run around in balloons. Look, we've only been going for a couple of hours, I think, at this point. Two hours! And look how many are in here! Can you imagine what this is going to be like in another six hours' time? I want it up here. I want it so I have to go on my tiptoes. Maybe I even need to stand on this chair. This table won't hold me. And then you'll be able to see. Okay, I think we're doing—I'm being told I have an earpiece. I'm a real professional. And we're going to be reviewing rewards and incentives. I don't exactly know what that means right now. I think it'll be talking about the things that we're going to be doing and what we're going to be giving. Ah, this is what we're going to— So, $100. If you donate a gift of $100 or more, you will be able to get a sticker of thanks pack after the campaign is over. So what that means is you're going to get a wonderful sheet of stickers and there's going to be a selection of things. There's going to be one of my face and one of Stephen's face. We have a beautiful RelayFM logo in the St. Jude— sorry, in the Childhood Cancer Awareness Month colors. We have a St. Jude sticker and a sticker of the Fever Fighter. The Fever Fighter you're seeing right there on the screen. Fever Fighter was created by a St. Jude patient by the name of Ethan. And this is the superhero that fights the fevers and the sickness to make sure that these kids get better, which is an incredible thing. You'll also note here that donation. You'll see some of these donations pop up. If you donate $100, I'll tell you something $100 can do at St. Jude. It can pay for a red wagon. And you think, why would they want to do that? Well, at St. Jude, they want kids to feel like they're having a fun time for as much as they can. And that's one of the incredible things about that place is they truly try and make it a welcoming place for those children who have to be there. So if they need to move stuff around, if kids need to go from place to place, they'll do what they can to have a red wagon help escort them. Isn't that incredible? It's just something a little fun. And it's one of the things that's so beautiful when you get to go to St. Jude. I've been lucky enough to go there a few times myself. If you donate $500 or more, Stephen will complete a hula hoop. And we've been seeing over the evening already, just in these last couple of hours, just how much he has been improving. Imagine what he's going to be like! He's really going to get that gold medal by the time we're done today. And at $1,000, if you donate $1,000 or more, I have to eat one of those really, surely horribly disgusting Bean Boozled beans. Well, I've got like a 50-50 chance, I think, of one being good and one being bad. The real sad thing, the rotten egg one that I just ate a moment ago, could also be butter popcorn, which is one of my favorite flavors of those types of jelly beans. So we also have some fundraising milestones. So every $100, Stephen will put yet another generic plastic brick inside of his hollowed-out iMac. And then more balloons will be added here to the balloon room. Hundreds and hundreds of balloons are here. We have hundreds and hundreds of balloons over there. There's a balloon-blowing machine over here. We have enough balloons to fill this whole thing right up to the top. But to do that, we need your donations. So go to stjude.org.au and donate today. Also, every $1,000, we're going to hit that button of hype. I haven't done that in a while. Can I please have my button of hype? We're going to do a mobile button of hype here in the balloons. Out on the table. What would it sound like if it was under the balloons? It's down there now. Well, it kind of sounded like how you'd expect, really. So I want to seriously again, I want to thank you all for tuning in. I'm really, really pleased that we're all here together today. We have a few more minutes at least before we're going to hand over back to Memphis. But I just wanted to again talk about some of the things I've seen in my time visit in St. Jude. Because I've been, I think, on two or three tours now. I went during our first year of the podcast, where me and Stephen were together. And I also was able to visit a few years prior, just as a personal visit. St. Jude actually has done in the past tours. So you can go as an individual and see kind of what they're about and everything that they've got going on over there. One of the things that really strikes me about St. Jude, about the hospital itself, which I would not have expected, is how kind of fun and welcoming and warm the place is. Because you wouldn't necessarily expect it, right? It is a hospital, for one, but it is focused on pediatric cancer, which is just an incredibly sad, heartbreaking thing that children have to go through, that anyone has to go through, but especially a child. But I have always come away from there with this feeling of hope. And it's definitely perpetuated in what goes on at St. Jude. They have all of these activities for children. They try and do their best to make sure that they are taken care of, and that they're able to have these full lives in the time that they're spending there. When a child is done with chemotherapy, they have a thing called a no-mo' chemo party. You may have seen that pop up on the stream, actually. There is a donation amount that if you donate, it will pay for one of these parties. And it's a celebration of the fact that that child has been through chemotherapy, which is, again, for an adult, chemotherapy is an incredibly hard thing if you have to go through it. Again, imagine a child having to go through that stuff. It's upsetting. It's sad. But what we're able to do here together is provide help, provide awareness to an institution, to a place like St. Jude, who is not just treating the children when they need that help, but also learning from it. St. Jude is a research hospital. What that means is they're able to learn, they treat, and they're able to take that knowledge and turn it into cures. In the time that St. Jude has been around, the childhood cancer survival rate has gone from 20% to 80%. They flipped it on its head. St. Jude's whole thing is that no child should die in the dawn of life. That was something that Danny Thomas, the founder of St. Jude, said. And it's such a simple thing, but it's just so beautiful as an idea. No child should die in the dawn of life. Everybody deserves to live a full life. Why should we not put the effort that we have, the money that we have, into science to help find these cures for cancer? Because we can do it. It's happened. Later on today, we're going to hear me. I was talking to a doctor, Dr. Ferlaghi, and we're going to talk to them a little bit later on. We're going to talk about some of the work that happens when a cure is actually found for a type of cancer. We've been lucky enough in previous years to be able to talk to some of the incredible researchers and doctors who work on this stuff at St. Jude. It tends to be like, okay, we're still trying to work this out. We're still trying to find a cure. But what about when you do, when a cancer can be completely treated, then what happens? What can we learn from it? What happens after that? So I'm really excited for you to get to hear that later on, because it's another example of why these donations are so important, from what they enable St. Jude to be able to complete. And again, you've heard Stephen talk about this, especially if you were in the first podcast-a-thon, where I was very lucky to get to talk to Stephen's incredible partner, Mary. And we were able to talk about what their family life had been like. We have this personal connection to St. Jude because of Stephen's oldest son. And he was diagnosed with a brain tumor very early on in his life. And St. Jude had been able to get this incredible kid to the point where he is able to live a full life. His chances were not great. And it was because of the wonderful, incredible work of St. Jude that he is around, this happy, incredible kid to this day. We were talking about this earlier on today. Josiah loves doctors. And you think, how could that be? He spent his entire life around doctors. Because these doctors at St. Jude are so good, and they believe in this so much, that it changes the view that you would have on it. And it creates this incredible chance for these children to live, and also to have a different perspective on their own lives as they move forward. I cannot say enough good things about this institution. Just from what it does for the world, but also what it has done for my best friend's family. That's why we are here, because of this connection that we have to this place. And the incredible work that they do just changes lives. And so that's why we want you to raise. So I want you all right now to go to stjude.org.au and donate what you can. But right now over in Memphis we have something really special that we've been looking forward to. Because there's a lot of really incredible things going on now, when you think about St. Jude and see what they're up to. So I'm going to hand over back to Stephen Hackett, who's over there in the studio. And we're going to have that interview for you. Just give us a few seconds. We're working on that. So as you can see, Stephen, there he is, looking really handsome. And look at the wheel behind him. And he's got a little wheel on his back. He's looking really handsome. Look at the wheel behind him. It looks like it's emanating from him. How special is that? Look at him. He looks so great right now. It's back to me. So just some technical difficulties there. This is what happens when you're trying to put on something across the entire globe we're spanning here. So we have me, obviously, in London. Stephen in Memphis. I think we mentioned this earlier on, but Stephen is actually in the St. Jude campus. And he's got a couple of opportunities there that we were able to be at together in the first year. And that's where Stephen is right now. And he's going to be broadcasting from there for the rest of the evening. And I'm just waiting to find out if we've got audio back for Stephen. And then hopefully we can get this underway. We are rebooting the sound board is what I'm being told right now, which sounds horrifically scary. But we've got a cash relay and you can donate right now. As I said, we've got tons of great stuff for you over the next few hours. We have many more guests and challenges to complete. I think challenge number one is getting back to the studio over there. But look, you can see we're going to do a quick test here. You might hear Stephen's voice. If he can hear me, I don't think he can. Stephen's looking around. Nope, he doesn't know. We're looking for him. He's now explaining to somebody and pointing at the board. And so we're going to make this work and it's going to be worth it. I promise you of that. Look, who thought that this was going to be flawless? Of course. What are we? We're a couple of podcasters. What do we know? All right. We're ready to go now. I'm going to hand it back. I'm going to give another go. A big round of applause if we can get it, everyone. Stephen Hackett over in the studio. Hello. Hello, it's me again. Remember me? Hi. I'm the British one. I'm the one that you keep hearing from when you're not expecting it. Hello, it's me again. This is going to be worth it. I promise. I promise this is going to be worth it. We're just working on microphones. You know, you know those things, right? Microphones. They can be tricky beasts. I have a view of what's happening in the studio. I'm watching Stephen run around right now. What can we do in this moment? What can we do? You see? Now I hear in my ear, you know what you should do, Mike? You should eat a Bean Boozled bean. Yeah, sure. That's what I want to do. Yeah, here we go. Okay. So. All right, we're going to spin the Bean Boozled wheel. All right, we are on. Oh, dear. Juicy pear. I don't like the sound of that. I don't even like saying it, to be honest. All right, here we go. That tastes like a pear. To be honest, I actually don't like the pear flavor. So I don't know what would be worse, to be honest. But I'm assuming that's a juicy pear. Hello, Mike. Oh, hey, there he is. You can hear me now? I can hear you. I don't want to tell you what was wrong because it's embarrassing to me. But we're good. Oh, we just got a wonderful donation from Robot MLG. Is that like Major League Gaming? Of $1,024. Stephen, I don't know if you know, but that brings us up to $411,000. That's awesome. Praise for the kids of St. Jude. Thank you, Mr. Robot. Now, I believe I can safely pass over to you. Yes, third time's the charm. Goodbye. Hello. Oh, Mike's gone. Well, we're back. I think everyone can hear me now. I have to confess that was my fault because I had muted my laptop when I got up. So my bad, everybody who ran around, my fault. Okay. I'm joined today, it's a real honor to talk with you, Rick Shadyack, the CEO of Allsack. Good to see you, Stephen. You too. Thank you for having me here. Thank you for joining. I'm really sorry about what we've done to your room here. I think it looks really cool. Yeah. I think it looks really cool. You can pick a bouncy ball. Okay. To take home with you. I'd like that. Okay. We're both vaccinated. We're safely apart, so we can do without masks. I'm vaccinated. You say you're vaccinated. Yes, sir. And we're socially distanced. Let's do this. Okay. Conversation. All tangled up here. There we go. Okay, so I've got a few questions I want to ask. I have index cards because I'm a professional. Okay. Even though I was the one who screwed up the audio a second ago. It's all good, man. I use index cards too. It's all good. So my history with St. Jude's is long. I've got a survivor son. He's getting ready to be 13. Josiah. Josiah, that's right. I love it. He was diagnosed as a six-month-old. And we've learned over the years that St. Jude's is a really special place. And I think for different families of different people, that word special may mean different things. What about St. Jude is special to you? Well, certainly the families that I get the privilege to meet every day. You know, what I think is particularly special for me is the whole founding story and why St. Jude was brought into existence and why it was put in Memphis, Tennessee. You know, it's a story, Stephen, that I'm familiar with because my father was one of those persons that before there was a St. Jude that Danny Thomas talked to. So I reflect back on that and the decisions that those guys made back in the 50s. And I wonder what decision I would have made back in those days. So that's something that I think about. And I think about also all the families that have passed through our doors and all the families that are going to still come. So there's a lot on my brain when it comes to that. I'm sure. I'm a native Memphian, so St. Jude's always been in my backyard. And I wonder if you could tell a little bit about that founding story, because 1950s is a very different time in a lot of ways. So how did St. Jude end up here? Yeah, so, you know, the story as recounted by my father, and I did have the privilege of also getting to know Danny Thomas. And so, look, they were going to build a specialty children's hospital. So they had gotten word that they didn't want to build another general children's hospital. They wanted to build a specialty children's hospital. They decided that they wanted to tackle an incurable disease. And that's why they decided to take on leukemia, which had a survival rate of 4 percent back in the 50s. Right. So 96 out of 100 kids that would be diagnosed would pass away. And, you know, it was so bad back in those days that moms and dads were told to celebrate half birthdays. So just imagine hearing that news. And then, you know, there was this idea that we wanted to make sure that we were providing access to quality specialty health care to all kids, regardless of race, regardless of economic status. And unfortunately, our wonderful city, Memphis, Tennessee, like much of the South, was a segregated city in the 1950s. And we said, you know what, we're going to put it right here. Danny Thomas said, we're going to put it right here in Memphis, Tennessee. When we open our doors, we're going to welcome kids from all backgrounds, races, creeds, religions and economic backgrounds. And that's the story. And Cardinal Stritch was really instrumental in guiding Danny Thomas here as well. Yeah, it's amazing. I can, it's hard to imagine how radical that must have been. And I think in a sort of a similar vein, St. Jude is still a radical place because all these families that come to the doors, like you said, those kids are all treated without being billed. Absolutely. To show you how radical it was, the community didn't like this idea. OK, the community actually said, yeah, you guys may be able to open your doors, but, you know, where's the separate bathrooms? Where's the separate water fountains? Then we didn't have housing facilities back in those days. So, you know, we had to use hotels and the hotel said, well, we'll take your white families, but we're not going to take your black families. And, you know, Danny Thomas and Dr. Pinker were like, what are you talking about? OK, and then they said, well, maybe they can stay here, but they can't eat in the same dining rooms. And so what don't you get about this? Right. You know, so but ultimately they capitulated. We were instrumental in helping to integrate the hospitality industry. There were never any separate bathrooms or anything like that. And from day one, no family received a bill from St. Jude. And as someone who's been on the receiving end of that, it's it's an amazing thing. I remember when we first came over to St. Jude and, you know, I had heard that right. Grew up around here my whole life. I've had family in and out of here as employees over the decades. But when you're at the the the end of a gift like that, of a blessing like that, it really is life changing. Yeah, I've heard that from many, many families. And, you know, we're blessed. That's all due to the public support. Right. This model is so unique. Right. So the fact that the public has continued to support us now for almost 60 years, when you think about that, it's just an incredible mission. We're blessed. So you've spent quite a few years around St. Jude, talked about your dad. Do you have a favorite story or memory that that comes to mind and thinking about your time here? Look, there's a couple, if you don't mind. I mean, look, there was one just the other night, you know, when Haley Arsenault and three other people took off to outer space. I said this to a couple of my team members. I wonder what my dad and Danny Thomas would have thought about us joining hands to do a mission to space. So it was definitely that. But, you know, I will never forget my father's retirement party, probably for a very weird reason. But, you know, my dad is literally given 50 plus years of his life to St. Jude before he passed away. And and his retirement party was not very long. He died not that long afterwards. And so many families like you came up to me and my brother that night and said, thank you for sharing your father with me. And, you know, dad missed some stuff. There's no question about that. That's cool. That's totally cool. Right. But, you know, he did always try to make it back for our Tuesday or Friday basketball games. And when we were in high school and things like that. But so many families just said your father was a father to me when or a grandfather to me when, you know, I was going through all this. Just total strangers. I hadn't met him before. OK. So as a son, you know, I saw my father in a different light. And then there's also special moments, Stephen, of of families or one individuals that you spend particularly critical periods of time with them during their cancer journey. Sitting with young Markell the day before, just shortly before he was going in to get his leg amputated or sitting, sitting with Bridget and her amazing mother. Right after she got her leg amputated. I mean, these are memories that will be forever burned into my brain. And I feel so I feel so blessed to have had those experiences because it's made me a better human being and a better father and a better husband and a better person. Yeah, that's been my experience as well. I would not be the person I am today without this place. Yeah. So that was the past. Let's talk about the present a little bit. Yeah. I went to journalism school so I can do clever things like past, present and future is going to be next. OK. Pretty good. I got it. OK. Really logical. I do what I can. OK. Not all journalists are logical. Well, that's a topic for a different interview. Probably not supposed to say that. OK. So obviously, in 2021, the world's a different place than it was a couple of years ago. Yeah. What if some of the challenges been in shepherding an organization of this size and this importance through really an unprecedented couple of years? You know, Stephen, and I've talked to a lot of CEOs about this. There's no playbook for a pandemic. And this particularly unique pandemic, there's just absolutely no playbook. So we were all kind of flying by the seat of our pants. Right. The good news from our perspective was that I think that you were we were as prepared as you could be. We had made substantial investments in technology and our digital fundraising capabilities. So we had firmly started our ourselves on a journey to be a digitally transformed company. So we were well positioned. Now, look, to to move 1500 employees to remote work, to working from home was a major task. But, you know, because we were so far along on our digital transformation, it made that it made that, you know, change a little bit easier to accomplish. And I'm just so proud of our team members. Our team members were incredible. They've been so resilient. We had to change the way we operate. I mean, you know, we couldn't do in-person activities. You and I couldn't be doing this right now. We thankfully both have the vaccine. And but but, you know, when you totally change your business model, I mean, that that causes a lot of angst. And we knew we had to be nimble. We knew we had to be agile. And I will tell you, Stephen, the last thing I'll say, because I could talk about this forever. I hearken back to some advice that my father gave to me because I started as a CEO here during the Great Recession. And he told me point blank. He said, Rick, you're not going to cut your way out of this alone. OK, at that point, not for profits and businesses were just cutting expenses. OK, Dad said, you've got to make investments. And if you believe in something, invest in what you believe in. And, you know, truth be told, we did that and we were able to weather the pandemic and actually raise more money than we've ever raised. Yeah, that's amazing. I know it's an hour little fundraiser here. We've seen 20 was higher than 19 and we're on our way to that again this year. And it's it's really amazing. You know, one thing that we've talked a lot about in our campaign is that St. Jude's not going to stop. You know, we've the mission continues. Regardless of what's going on in the world. And, you know, I'm sure that you all felt that weight of we've got to show up and do this because, you know, St. Jude can't stop because cancer is not. Well, first thing we have to do is correct the journalist and say this is no small fundraising campaign. Y'all have raised four hundred and eleven thousand four hundred eighty seven dollars in your 82 percent year goal. Amazing. That is amazing. So that's a tribute to you and everybody that follows you. And so that's just absolutely incredible. But you know what I was really worried about, too, though, Stephen? I knew that cancer wasn't going to stop during a pandemic. I knew kids were still going to get cancer. We were obviously incredibly worried that these kids that get cancer obviously are immunocompromised and we needed to make sure that they were safe and taken care of as best we possibly could. Then I was worried that would people still remember about St. Jude during a pandemic when rightly all of the focus should have been on how are we going to get through the pandemic, how we can help people that are experiencing hunger and food insecurity? And then, of course, we had George George Floyd happen during that same period of time. And and I was like, man, I hope people can find a place in their heart for St. Jude Children's Research Hospital and families like yours and Josiah. And guess what, man? They did. It's that power of the power of human compassion. Man, people just stepped up like you couldn't believe. And we feel so, so fortunate. We've been around St. Jude for 12 years and I reflect on our more than a decade here. It's a really sort of like simple ways, like there are a lot more buildings here than there used to be. Just wait. Just wait. That's what I want to ask a little bit. I know that that St. Jude and Allsack have charted a course for growth in the coming years. I wonder if you could share maybe a little bit about that. Yeah, I'm so proud to you know, that's the Dr. Downing and the St. Jude leadership have announced an eleven point five billion dollar. That's right. Billion dollar investment in our mission over the next six years. I can share with you and all your listeners that that's just the start. I have reason to believe that we'll be spending more money than that, God willing, over the next six years. And, you know, what I'm super excited about are a couple of things. First of all, we're going to try to tackle those particularly difficult to cure cancers. So why do some brain tumors have survival rates below 20 percent when the overall survival rate for brain tumors is 70 to 80 percent? Why does a young infant, a baby that gets acute lymphoblastic leukemia have a less than 50 percent chance of survival when the overall survival rate for leukemia now is 94 percent? We've got to do better. Right. So those are areas that we're going to focus on. Another area that I'm super excited about is our global initiative. And we're going to make material investments in our global mission. You know, around the globe, Stephen, 400,000 kids are going to get cancer this year. And most of those kids live in low and low and middle income countries. Survival rates are completely different here in the United States, due in large part to the work done at St. Jude. We've taken survival rates from 20 percent in 62 to 80 percent today. And that's not good enough because still one in five die. Right. Right. But low and low and middle income countries, that survival rate is 20 percent or less. And St. Jude has announced a bold initiative in partnership with the World Health Organization where we seek to raise the overall childhood cancer survival rates for the six most common forms of childhood cancer from 20 percent today to 60 percent by 2030. Yeah, that's this decade. It's coming up. Yeah. So I just think about the millions of kids that could be impacted by that. And I get excited because I know one thing that our founder would want to want me to say today, our founder, I believe and I bet you believe that I bet everybody listening to us would say where a child lives should not dictate that child's health care outcome. Absolutely. A child in El Salvador should be saved, just like a child here in the United States or a child, you know, in Russia or even, you know, in China or wherever it may be. OK, every child, every child deserves a chance to live. And that's what we're all about here. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. It's a it's a it's a beautiful picture. And as a Memphian, it makes me proud. You know, this this seed that was planted here is going to show flowers everywhere. It's really pretty cool. I love hearing that. I want to help kids everywhere. That's right. This is all about. And we can only do that, Stephen, because of the support of the public and incredible fundraisers like the one that you're doing right now. Yeah, our audience has been amazing this year. It's been really humbling to see. God bless you guys, because it is it's incredible what you all are doing. It's absolutely incredible. A lot of what we talk about in some of our podcasts is sort of the productivity space. A lot of us are interested in sort of the science of work. And I know you're a busy guy. You got a lot of obligations. And I wonder if you could talk a little bit about some of your decision making frameworks that you that you run through throughout. I'm sure it was a very busy week to week schedule or hour to hour schedule, probably. Yeah, it's a minute by minute. Yeah, as it goes. But so, you know, I'm trained as a lawyer. I practice law for 27 years. So one of the skills that I think I've built up over time is kind of having that mental checklist. You know, every time I start to a decision making process, I want to think about all of the stakeholders. So who's going to be affected by this decision? And many times people just don't understand that that is a broad set of people. OK, so you don't just make a decision based upon, you know, one particular subset. You got to think about the overall brand, the overall business, the overall effect, the overall mission. And then, you know, I tick through in my brain a couple of things. You know, I think about brand. I think about obviously revenue expense. I think about risk, reputational risk. I think about legal issues. So there's a whole checklist that I have in my mind. And my team members will tell you that I ask them all the time whether or not they've thought about this, whether they've thought about that. And then we go back and forth a little bit. I'm a big, you know, since I am a lawyer, I love people to play devil's advocate with me. I want to understand what the other side of the argument is and always want to understand what the business objective is behind any decision that I may be making. So that just gives you a little sense of what's. It sounds like you're sort of into the where the time is right, that collaborative work environment. Oh, you get those voices in. Absolutely. Yeah, it's hard. I mean, I'm sure that, you know, I run a little company of about 40 people and it's a lot smaller than Allstack. But even a company that size, you know, you think about everything from the top line, the bottom line to the food people are putting on their table at the end of the night. You know, and that's that's without the burden of trying to rid the world of pediatric cancer. We're not doing that at Relay FM. You know, we're doing podcasting. That's not just podcasting. You're you are you're helping us and you're helping St. Jude because right now you're creating awareness and you're raising funds. So you are in the same business that I'm in. Right. Right. And also, you know, the other thing people should understand is is make sure that you're seeking a diversity of perspectives. OK, so, you know, I want to make sure that the team I surround myself with is different than me. If everybody looks like me and you, OK, as two white males, that's not going to cut it, man. OK, that's not the world. OK, so you want to make sure that you've got diverse people around you that are not going to be afraid to get, you know, bring a different perspective to the table so you can consider all perspectives. Absolutely. Well, I had a suggestion. I mean, you don't get to talk to the boss very often. Sure. And then we can maybe spin the wheel and see what happens. I'll do whatever you'd like to do, man. All right. So I also have been completely inspired by this private civilian space mission that's going on. Inspiration for a big space fan, big space nerd myself. And so watching that the other night, I mean, yeah, right here in the chat. Oh, my God. And I think it would be cool. You know, I'm down on campus a good bit. I think it would be cool to pull in one day and see that Falcon 9 rocket, see that Crew Dragon capsule here. I think this would be a great final resting place for that space hardware. I love that. Now, what do you think Elon would say to that? I think he should say yes. OK, well, I think he should say yes, too. So I'll let you make that phone call. OK, I'll tweet at him. I can do that. I can do that. I'll tweet back at you. I can guarantee that. And you might not like the answer. Well, thank you for your time today. My pleasure. Thank you. So the way that this is working. OK. The even numbers are good things that Mike or I get to do. OK. The odd numbers, we come over to what we're calling the board of despair, board of peril. And all those numbers are something not so good, like the Lego walk or Mike has to eat a jelly bean that may taste like death. You know, whatever it may be. Oh, boy. So I thought maybe we give the wheel a spin and see what happens. And that's for you to do it. Not me. Right. So we're perfectly clear. That's for me. I'll take it for the team. So do you want me to do you want me to shoot for something that might be positive or. Yeah, absolutely. Positive vibes. Yes. We can. OK. We can spin the wheel over here. There we go. Oh, you get the Bob Barker microphone. All right. Well, here we go. Never have a microphone. You feel powerful when you hold it. I've discovered like kind of bigger than me. OK, so we're going to spin this and the good the good ones are the even. Yes, sir. Even number. Let's start on one. There you go. Better vibe. Yeah. And you got to let it rip. It really it wants to go fast. So go for it. There we go. Come on, even. Come on, even keep going. Oh, look, it's a 10. It's a 10. There you go. And what is number 10? I don't have I don't have memorized. What's number 10? Take a swing at the PC. Oh, boy. Take a swing at the PC. Yeah. So you're going to need these. I've been told that you have to wear these. OK, I'll do that. So we have we are Apple fans as a group. And so I have an IBM computer back here from the 80s. Got it. And we've been taking swings at it. I see that. And so I mean, if you want to take a swing, you can. But I'm happy to do it. I'll let's both do it. This sounds like a terrible idea. OK, everybody will both do this is good. Nervous looking people out here in the studio. OK, so we got to come if we have enough microphone cable. Do we have the clearance for this? Try. Yeah. Oh, boy. I'm watching. I'm just as nervous as the rest of you. All right. You go. You go. I want to see how you're going to be. Go gentle, Stephen. OK, looks like a pretty bad hit. You got the corner, man. OK. Oh, that's pretty good. That was pretty good. Oh, Rick's got better than that. So, OK, so you want all the little pieces to come flying out at me. Is that what you're saying? I got the goggles. OK, well, here we go. OK, here we go. I said we all this is fantastic. Oh, my God. It's going to be better. Absolutely. Let's see. Fundraiser guy, I would say that. Oh, look, it's going up right there. Let's do it. All right. Thank you, Patrick. OK, here we go. This bat baseball bat kills cancer. That's right. How about that? Custom made. OK, I play baseball. Oh, my God. I've been doing down. Yeah. Hey, that's good. Yeah. Yes. Well done. Incredible. Thank you so much for joining. All right. That was the best moment. We're not going to talk. Thank you. Wow. Right. All right. Well, we are going to pick up some broken pieces of plastic and roll a video. And we'll be back in just a second. That was amazing. All right. She said, Mom, when I grow up, I'm going to raise money for St. Jude. And she wrote a speech. And I'm going to ask people to support the hospital. And this is what I'm going to say. Haley was in the fourth grade. She was 10 years old and she was into everything. I loved spending time with my friends watching Bruce Lee movies because we were all really into martial arts. She was doing Taekwondo and she started complaining about her knee hurting. So I took some ibuprofen, felt a little bit better. But then it started coming back and got worse. We were leaving school and she was kind of limping, kind of dragging her leg and limping. And I was like, what's the matter? And she said, my knee, my knee hurts. At that point, my mom looked at my leg and saw about an orange sized tumor above my left knee. And I just knew something serious was wrong. The doctor like took one kind of look at it. She said, you need to go have an X-ray like right now. And I'll never forget, she immediately brought us into her office, showed us the X-ray and said, this is bone cancer, osteosarcoma. That was the first time we heard the word cancer. I just felt so helpless. And I just said, I don't want to die because everyone I had known at age 10 who had cancer had passed away. And I thought cancer was a death sentence. My disease is called osteosarcoma and it's a bone cancer. It's very serious. If you don't catch it fast, it spreads. It wasn't until we went to St. Jude a few days later when I actually started feeling hope. When we walked in the doors of St. Jude, we walked up to the front desk and I'll never forget, my mom tried to say my name and just burst into tears. The receptionist came from around the desk and gave my mom a big hug. She goes, it's going to be okay. She said, you're part of the St. Jude family now. And we're going to take care of her and we're going to take care of you too. And that's when I knew I was at the right spot. And honestly, truer words were never spoken. We really became a family. The tumor is both inside the bone and grows out of the bone. So her tumor was in the end of the thigh bone, just above the knee joint, all the way to the knee joint. So it involved the growth plate. The biggest growth plate in the leg is the one right above the knee, which we had to resect. So we put in a fairly, at that time, fairly new prosthesis called the Phoenix, which allowed expansion of the prosthesis to keep the legs equal until she reached skeletal maturity. It would expand my leg about two centimeters in 30 seconds, which ultimately saved me several surgeries and just gave me so much more quality of life. Without having to go through surgery after surgery, the prosthesis could expand every time I needed to grow. I'm trying to lift my leg like my right leg, but I can't do that yet because my muscle isn't strong enough. It's her enthusiasm, her determination that we saw, the way she rehabbed, the way she fought her disease. It really is, it's a fight. And she took the fight to the osteosarcoma and she won. I think Jude made it so that we really didn't have to worry about hospital bills and those kinds of things, and we could just focus on having time with her because nothing was guaranteed. When you're dealing with a catastrophic illness like this, it is something where you have to try to live in the present. And you have to enjoy those moments because that might be all you have. My dad died of kidney cancer two years ago, and it was so difficult watching from the sidelines. And I remember whenever I was going through treatment, just really feeling like I was the one going through it. But whenever I saw him suffer and just feeling so helpless, I realized what a hard experience it was for the families. I just loved you. Cancer made me who I am. But not just cancer, St. Jude. I knew from when I was in treatment that all I wanted to do was work at St. Jude. So when I got my dream job, it was the happiest moment of my life. And it's the happiest thing that's ever happened to me. It's truly the biggest honor of my life, getting to work with these kids. What's your move? St. Jude gave me my child's life, and they kept her spirit. St. Jude saves lives. I mean, not only did they save my life, but getting to work here, I see these brave kiddos. I wrote this speech when I was 10 because I wanted to grow up and raise money for St. Jude. And I told my mom, I was like, this is what I'm going to say. They saved my leg, and they saved my life. For me, St. Jude didn't feel like a cancer hospital, but a place where I was surrounded by love. And we are back. Oh man, that video, Stephen, I don't know if you could see it, but that one was a real... It was about Haley, who's on the Inspiration Mission now. It was her story. Oh my god, man, I'm tearing up over here. It was a real rough one, but an incredible story. Like, truly, I'm so inspirational. Yeah, she's incredible. The whole mission is blowing me away. But we've got some catching up to do. I want to thank the Payne family for their gift of $1,001. But we've got some wheel spinning to do, Mike. Let's spin that wheel, man. Around it goes. Here we go. It is number three, so I've got to move over. Oh, is this apparel time? It is. Oh boy. Board of Peril. You know, if this board was made up of clothes, it would be Board of Upheral. Yeah, I know. I heard that before. No one in this room laughed at that. Not a single person. I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised. Here we go. All right, here we go. Number two. One day of Android use. Okay, so. Right? Yep, one day of Android use. One day of Android use. So that will be our primary phone. Yep, can you explain that? I spoke over you, I apologize. Explain that a little bit more. Well, it's going to be a day long, and we have to use Android. That's it. So if you see how we're going to, I guess we'll start from tomorrow? Probably, yeah. We'll work that out later, but things are going to accumulate, and we'll talk about it at the end of the stream today. Yeah, and if we're in that time period and you see Twitter for iPhone, you know that we're sinning. So don't want that. That should be a $200 donation if we're caught. If you catch us. If you catch us. That's really good. If you catch us, $200. That's really good. We'll talk about later on when we're going to do that. Steven, spin that wheel again. Okay, I want to do it from here, so I don't have to move. Okay. What URL did you buy, by the way? Number one. So we've got to come over here. I bought the Mac and whatever it was, whatever I said. Oh, that was great. I forget. We'll have to come back on that. Does anybody know what URL you bought? But it redirects to the campaign page, whatever it is. Excellent. Number four. One day of phone case use. Yes. Okay. I'm so excited. Okay, Adina, please pass me my surprise phone case. No, me and Steven picked for each other phone cases that we need to put on our phones. Again, also for a day of use. I figure we will start these concurrently, maybe. I think we should start, actually, what we'll do, we'll definitely do the phone cases first. And then we might wait until that's done and then start Android. Because we're going to be changing our phones in like a week. And these probably won't fit anymore. Yeah, okay. So are we opening our boxes together? Yeah. So we chose these for each other. Neither of us know what's going on. I actually don't know what one you ended up with. You can see this? Yes, the furry one. It's big and fuzzy. And it's got rhinestones on it. You know what? I can see mine. Oh, look at this. Yep. It's nice. I want you to understand what it's like to use that kind of phone. So I knew this was going to happen. I was thinking to myself last night, what's Steven going to get for me? And I'm 100% correct. It is not only a Stars and Stripes. Adina, can you please show the people? It has an eagle on it. Is the flag on fire? But it's the fire of burning freedom. Okay. Or something. Mike, I have to get to a football game tomorrow. Well, you can say, Adina, please pass me my phone. I know that you're posting to social media like a champion for me right now. Wow. This is just – it matches my shirt. That's incredible. Why is it like that? Can you get me a tissue, a paper towel? There's oil in the case. Why is there oil in there? I don't know. I didn't pack it. Do we want to do one more spin before we bring on our next special guest? Sure. We have a lot of these to get out of the way. Yeah. And there's a lot of things that we want to do. I want to – I'm ready. Okay. All right. So here we go. Number seven. Board apparel time. There's so much weird oil in this case. Why is it so greasy? It's very American. America. Yeah, I guess. Oh. Number two. Another day of Android use. So that's now two total days. I will ask someone in our production team, please, to keep track of these days for us. Yes. What Android phone will you be using, Mike? Z Flip, baby. Z Flip? I have a Google Pixel 5a I'll be using. One of the reasons I bought the Z Flip this year is because I knew this was coming for me. Okay. Do we have time for one more? Okay, one more. Thank you. I have more balloons. Jason Snell, the one and only. Jason. The one and only with donation. Jason Snell. Jason. Jason Snell, signing his donation just right. That's what I love about him. Jason wants you to eat a bean. So I'm going to go do this and you get a bean ready, Mike. Idina, can you get me a handful of bean? You can just spin and – Number eight. TikTok challenge. That's another TikTok challenge. That's two TikTok challenges, two days of Android use, and Mike is going to eat a jelly bean of fear. So this one's either going to be – And one day a phone case. This is going to be either the peach or the barf. I didn't get the barf last time. Peach again. Unless, you know, peach and barf taste the same. No doubt. I just got a peach one again. So thank you for that, Jason. I would like to thank Jason Snell personally. Thank you. So Jason, thank you very much for that. Quinn. Thank you, Quinn. Quinn, with a $1,420.69 donation. Very nice. Is that some kind of nerd joke? Probably. I can see Jason Snell right now and he's nodding his head. So it's a nerd joke of some kind. It's probably like, that's a bit. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. A gigabit? Gigabyte. Gigabit. I'm going to be joined by my Liftoff co-host right now. Mike, you go take a break. Hello, Jason. I'm going to go have pizza. Jason, I'm eating pineapple and pizza. It's going to happen right now. All right. That's not a punishment either. That's good. Good stuff. That's just straight up what I want. Hello, Jason. Hey, Steven. I thought I would make my donation right before appearing. That's what we all have to do, right? We all have to give money through a podcast. Sure. So let's talk a little bit about space stuff. How about that? You know, I think it's great that we timed the St. Jude Relay FM fundraising period for the time that they were going to launch people. Other way around. They saw our date and they said, let's go to space. Okay, great. That makes sense. That story checks out. I'm not going to. Who would deny it? Yeah. So tell me a little bit about the inspiration for Mission. Yeah, so this is remarkable for people who don't know what's going on. Don't listen to our podcast, Liftoff on Relay FM. What's wrong with you? You should. It's super fun. But it is. We're sort of having a revolution in terms of commercial space. The idea that companies and not just governments are going to be doing a space mission. And this all started as the space shuttle was fading away. This is all connected. So space shuttle was fading away in 2011. Last mission. I was there for that. That was really awesome. And the idea was, how do we replace the space shuttle? And NASA decided rather than build its own spacecraft, it would contract with a couple of companies to build a spacecraft for it. And then they would buy rides on those spacecraft, but they would be owned and operated by the company. Those are SpaceX and Boeing. Boeing still working on it, but they're going to get there one day. They will get there. One day, maybe. Let's see. So SpaceX is there though with their Crew Dragon capsule, and they have run a couple of test missions and now are fully operational. They're on their third mission to the International Space Station where NASA pays them to fly astronauts on their spaceship, on their rocket to the ISS. However, SpaceX owns the rocket and they own the spaceship and they own the keys. So they don't just have to take NASA astronauts on there. Wait, do spacecraft have keys? I'm sure they do somewhere, right? Otherwise, somebody could just get in and take off, right? Like hit the button, go to space. That seems they might even have two keys like in war games where they have to turn the two keys simultaneously. Or maybe, well, it's a missile, but a rocket. Or maybe it's, I think Ford is the company. They have like the keypad on the A pillar or the B pillar. So he's like, you know, you put in your code. Put in your code. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. You put in your space ID on a rocket. That would be another way you can go. So it's version four. Yes. Anyway, so inspiration for the idea here is that SpaceX can also just have random people by space and they can fly them. And that seems weird, but this is the world we live in. Now, if you've got the money, you can buy a space mission. And so this guy, Jared Isaacman had the money and he spent a certain number of millions of dollars where it's not entirely clear. I think we know it's bigger than a bread basket, but he spent money and what he wanted to do was fly with three other people. That's the capacity of this Crew Dragon ship. And he wanted to use it to raise money for Dude. So they created inspiration for. So Jared Isaacman, who's an entrepreneur, he's on there. But what he also did is bring some other people, whether they want a contest or they want to there were a couple of different contests for like a tech person. And also there was just kind of a contest for Don't eat to St. Jude and you get a chance to win you and I didn't win. That's why we're here on Earth right now. And also somebody related to St. Jude. So those are the four people on the mission. They are orbiting at, you know, a little bit above the level of the altitude of the International Space Station. Actually, it's fairly, fairly high up there for three days. They're up there right now. And so in addition to Jared Isaacman, a guy named Chris Somborski, who is a data engineer, he was chosen to be on. Sian Proctor, who is a geoscientist. One of those two actually didn't win and their friend one didn't want to go to space. So Chris Somborski, his friend from college calls him up and says, Hey, you like space, right? Well, how would you like to go to space? Is this a joke? He said, No, I won the lottery. And then, of course, there's Haley. Haley Arsenault, 29. She's a physician assistant at St. Jude, and she is a former St. Jude patient. And she's also the first person with a prosthetic of any kind, a body prosthetic to be in space. And she's one of the youngest people in space as well, because usually it takes a long time to be an astronaut. But at 29, she's actually a relatively young space goer. And then she's also got some metal plates and stuff in her legs because of her cancer treatment. She has breast cancer. So a lot of interesting kind of research that is going to come out of this medical research where they're doing tests stuff, but also they get this kind of amazing ride in a spacecraft where they just get to spend three days weightless, looking down at the earth and orbiting the earth, you know, a half dozen times a day or more like a dozen times a day. It's a lot. So they're going to get a lot of views 15 times a day. So times three. So 45 orbits or so a lot of time to look out the window at the earth, which is kind of the other story, right? Is that you know all about Stephen about the international docking adapter, right? Which is the standard. You saw one blow up. I did see one blow up once. Yeah, yeah. It was a bad day. And that's how you connect to the ISS. You got to have it's like, you know, if you think like a lightning port or USB port is complicated international docking adapter way more complicated. Yeah. So dongles in space is what we're saying. It's the biggest it is the space dongle actually, but they don't need it because they're not going to the ISS. So instead, they've got this thing called the cupola. That is a module that SpaceX built. Basically you pop off the dongle, but now you've got an open like cap. It's like you took the cap off your Apple Pencil one and lost. So then you put the this cupola on and basically it's just a giant window. So that's what inspiration for gets to do is they get to look out the big window that the NASA astronauts don't get used. Yeah. Yeah, the pictures of it or seem really inspiring. I remember when they showed it off maybe a couple of months ago for the first time and it's just this glass dome and so really your view is unobstructed and I'm sure it's a breathtaking site. Yeah, and they're doing some press conferences stuff. I think they're also recording a lot of video that we'll see on their Netflix series that they're doing. So I think that's the idea but also just that these are four regular people and again, well, okay three regular people and a very rich guy, but who's a world-class pilot. Yeah, right. He's not he's just you know, walk off the street and into a launch facility, but still the idea that he that SpaceX a private company and this guy just decided to do a mission and you could do that now which also means that companies that want to send their their their employees to space maybe they've got reasons whether it's marketing or it's actual research they don't need to you know, big NASA for some research time with an astronaut on the ISS. They could literally just go to SpaceX and write a check and go to space. We have reached that point now, which is pretty amazing. So for example, Steven if you wanted to make a movie in space, I do yeah, you could write a check and you could choose who to write it to you could write it to SpaceX, which is the rumor that Tom Cruise is actually going to do and we're not making this up that they might make a movie with Tom Cruise where he goes to the ISS. That's interesting. And if you go to the ISS, you got to get approval of like the space right then you're in their space you're not just floating around your space, but you know, have you heard about this Russian movie that they're apparently they're like two astronauts up on the ISS or an astronaut and a cosmonaut right now on the ISS who had to stay up there for basically a year because they they there's a ride coming for them a Soyuz capsule and they can't go on it because instead of it being their relief. It's an actor and a direct going from Russia to the eye. Yeah, they're shooting this full feature-length film in space the the first one there. They lift off in just a couple of weeks, right? I think October 5th is the the launch date and it's going to be called the challenge and the plot that they've announced is basically a doctor is launched to the International Space Station to save the life of a cosmonaut. So I think it's a fun twist, you know, we've seen movies obviously where there are emergencies in space and there's usually a doctor on board, but I guess this film is going to be a little bit different and filmed at the International Space Station. I'm really excited to see how this looks. I don't speak Russian. So hopefully there's a version that I can understand, but I can't wait to see what this looks like. Should make an international version available. I think the question is how much of it's actually going to be shot in space and the counts of what it's going to look like talking about, you know, only bringing up a crew of one. So I read that the actress has to like do her own makeup and you know, she like they're the only ones there. Although I guess the cosmonauts are also going to act in it too. That's part of the deal. But it's going to be feature-length and they announced that after the Tom Cruise thing. So I think that Roscosmos, the Russian space agent be out in front of it a little bit. But that's so that's going on. And then there's other commercial stuff, right Blue Origin and Virgin Galactic both made headlines when their billionaire owners flew themselves into space. Depending on your definition of space, you know, Stephen, do you consider that the Jeff Bezos and Richard Branson to have gone to space? I mean, it feels like the is it the hundred, is it a hundred kilometers? The the I want to say the Mason-Dixon line, but that's not right. The Karmann line. The idea is that the US drew a line on stage a long time. Yeah, I know at 50 miles and the the the international definition is different and they're above the 50 mile mark but not above the international definition. I mean, you know, you're in space. I think, you know, I think if you're at a point where you can float around and it's dark out the window that feels like space to me. You're probably now the difference for people who are wondering like what makes the difference between that and inspiration or the idea there is that inspiration is orbiting the earth for days and blue origin when you read about blue origin that was a capsule very much like like Alan Shepard the first American man in space it goes up and down and then it goes back down and that's it. So you're up there but you're not orbiting and then what Virgin Galactic does is a little bit different but it's very similar which is they basically drop a little plane with a rocket on it from another plane and it zips up that high altitude and it glides back down again not the same inspiration and SpaceX really kind of have that lockdown right terms. Yeah, if you want to go around and around and around and nobody has NASA is like redefined what whether you earn astronaut wings or not, you have to actually be not just be a passenger but so that that's another new wrinkle in this but you know by any stretch of the imagination inspiration been in in space are continue to be in space get those pretty awesome. Absolutely. So it is an exciting time in this private space fight commercial space flight you and I when we started lift off which is like six years ago now and it is people should give it a listen if you enjoyed this conversation every two weeks on relay FM. We were worried that even every two weeks we would not have enough real to talk about and we were going to have to spend time like rifling through the history books and talking about black holes and stuff which we have done a little bit of but as as the six years has passed it's harder and harder to even a fine time to go talk about history or about sort of like more esoteric science because the pace of innovation in space especially by small to medium sized companies that are building their own rockets and firing them off like it has completely surpassed I think any of our expectations about what we would be able to talk about on lift off. Yeah, absolutely. Well Jason, thank you for joining me talk a little bit about space. Up next we have a famous snail game show. Do you want to introduce this game for everybody? I think this is my third in a row. So this is it is a game show we're going to show it in two parts. So the first part is coming up and then the second part will be a little bit later on. It is relay FM post balderdash. Now let me explain if you don't know what balderdash is. It's a game. I'll explain a little bit in the video but it's a game where basically the players are given words and they need to guess the definitions or make up their own and then everybody needs to see if they're going to be fooled by the fake definition or if they can suss out the real definition. And I collected five relay FM hosts. So Andy and I'd co Casey list Kathy Campbell Mike Schmitz and Simone de Rochefort and also making her debut. It's Kerry provenzano relay FM is business manager. So they all had to match wits and maybe make a soul connection while guessing words. And also I make fun of Casey a lot. So if you like trolling Casey watch closely. Yeah, so we're going to roll part one of that part two will be coming a little bit later on and there may be a another version of this that comes out post podcast a thon. So we can for that as we may have a stretch goal of some sort where there's another set of hosts playing the game. So I hope people like it. That sounds good to me. Well, Jason, it was so good to see you. Thank you for your donation and your time today. I will talk to you soon have fun on the rest of the podcast a thon. I just keep hitting that button. Bye Jason. All right. Welcome back to relay FM host balderdash when we last left you Casey quit the show, but we've talked we've we've teased him back. Let me tell you the point total so far. I am in the lead with eight points. You can't let me win people don't let me win. Mary right behind at seven and he has six on the back of his fake answer that people just he got a point for admiration. Casey has five Mike for Simone three and Kathy are most experienced player in the back with one. I mean, to be fair, my experience remains being in the back. Okay, that's fair. Yeah, any any listeners of low definition know that I am most comfortable. Anyway, this in the back in order to we're going to move on. We have four more rounds. We're going to crown a champion. Hello everybody and welcome to relay FM host balderdash. I'm your host Jason snow the host of upgrade here at relay FM and lift off here at relay FM. Look at that two whole podcast and I'm joined today by six wonderful relay relay FM luminaries to play a game. It's balderdash the game of real words and fake definitions. Let me introduce our players first up and this is the order there in which they will play by the way. It's Kathy Campbell host of Robo ism and conduit. Hi Kathy. Hi Jason. I'm so excited to get all of these really low definitions. I know that we have bonded over balderdash in the past with our friend Tiff Armand who couldn't be here. So I'm looking forward to seeing you play with this group up next the co-host of focused it's Mike Schmitz Mike welcome. Hey, thanks. I am both excited and terrified to be here. That's about right. Also joining us one of the hosts of rocket Simone de Rochefort Simone. Oh, you were one of my favorite parts of the hostmaster thing. We did last year on the podcast a thon. So thank you for being back on a game show with me again. I am so excited, but I think I'm also even more scared than Mike. So right. It's not a competition, but if it were if it were Casey list would be the most terrified of analog. Of course ATP. Hi Casey. Hello. Hi Casey. Nothing like having somebody say, how do you play this game right before you get started? Then we have from material Andy in not co who actually wrote a book about obscure tech terminology and may know all the answers. Hi Andy. I'll take Charlie Weaver to block Jason. And really excited not a relay FM host, but one of the people who makes relay FM happen. It is the sales manager of relay FM coming out from behind the scenes. It's Carrie proven Zano. Carrie. Hello. Yes. Coming out from behind the scenes. And I would like to say I'm going to represent the every man today who perhaps isn't only say with all the technological terms, but I'll give it my best. Well, the good news is most of these terms hopefully are not guessable and you just have to sort of figure out what sounds right. So the way this works is I will give you a technology term that I have picked. I swear it's related somehow to technology somehow. And then all the players get to guess what it is or send an alternate definition. I will then read the definitions. Nobody knows who they're from. Everybody will have to guess what the real definition is. If you guess it right, you get two points. If you guess it right, right off the bat, without any options, you get three points. If you guess it wrong, you're giving a point to whoever wrote that fake definition. It's that simple. And we're going to play, play eight rounds and crown a winner, crown a champion, because that's what game shows are all about, right? Winning? Maybe not. Maybe it's just about having fun. That's what I hear. Let's get started with our first word. How about that? Words are fun. So let's play this word game. And the first word is nearsourcing. Nearsourcing. Please send me your definitions for nearsourcing now. All right, all the definitions are in for nearsourcing. Nearsourcing. I will read them now, and then you will all have to tell me what you pick, beginning with Kathy. Here are your definitions for nearsourcing. The ability to find files locally. An online image crediting system that relies on crediting a similar but inaccurate source bypassing copyright infringement. Using a source control server that's geographically close to your current location. The act of outsourcing jobs but to countries that are nearby. The practice of forming a design or development team comprised only of local talent. A euphemism for sourcing an item from the neighborhood recycling or trash pickup. And using first party software to store information. Those are your definitions for nearsourcing. And Kathy Campbell, it's time for you to tell me what you think nearsourcing really means. So many great definitions here, Jason. Weren't they? So many. Weren't they? So many. And clearly, the correct answer is the one related to copyright. And that is the one that I am guessing. Okay, that's the online image crediting system that credits an inaccurate source to bypass copyright restrictions. Exactly. Very clever. Okay, Mike. Can you reread that last one? Sure. Using first party software to store information. I'll take that one. All right. First party software. Simone, what do you think? I am going to go with the first one, actually. The ability to find files locally? Yeah. She says with utmost confidence. I feel like I'm tricking myself because it feels wrong when you read it, but it's also the first definition that I thought of. So whoever's out there thinking like me, I see you. I cannot tell you how many times it turns out that a couple people are on the same wavelength and they're constantly picking each other's answers in this game. Happens all the time. I'm here to find my soulmate, so I'll take that one. The big reveal is, really, FM host Balderdash, it's a dating game. Who knew? Yes. Casey, what do you think? Near sourcing. I think, forgive me, I don't recall the exact wording, but the one about basically outsourcing but to a team that is geographically close to you, I think that's my winner. Outsourcing to countries that are close by. Yes. Yes, please. All right. Andy? I'm sorry, I got distracted. I was just thinking about how beautiful the world is and how we must all love each other and that our egos, we can just put it aside. We just put ... They just get in the way. That we should really just focus our attention on taking care of ... Not buying it. Okay. I'm going to go with the ability when you're looking for ... That one about when you're looking for a source, you can't quite find the one you're looking for, so you'll find something that's close enough. Is that the online image to a similar but inaccurate source? I would say that. I like that. We all have to bypass our copyright bots. And Carrie, what do you think? I am going for the one about first party software, please. What was the wording of that one? Using first party software to store information. Yes, let's go with that. A lot of reluctant pickers here. Let's see how they did. How's it to me? Simone was searching for her soulmate or the right answer when she suggested it was the ability to find files locally. Her soulmate may be Kathy Campbell. That was her answer. Let's see. We got a couple of two person guesses here. Kathy and Andy thought it was the copyright bypassing system using an inaccurate source. That was Carrie's fake answer. Nice. Well done, Carrie. I'm taking that one. If I can hoodwink the guy who wrote the book on tech jargon, I'll take that as a win. Consider me done for the evening. What I didn't mention is that deadline really struck up me. I'm expecting so. A lot of those words I really did make up. Yeah, all right. That's a different game show, although actually that would be a good one. Let's see. Mike and Carrie thought it was the last one, using first party software to store information. That was Simone's definition. Two points to Simone. And Casey thought that it was the act of outsourcing jobs to countries that are close by. It's like outsourcing, but nearer. If he's right, he'll get two points. If he's wrong, I'll get four points. That's a terrible definition, but it is the correct one. Is it less evil or more evil when you're near sourcing to nearby instead of far away? What a terrible piece of jargon. And our first word. I really want to know where that line is between near and outsourcing. Who did this? Our whole city lost their jobs plunging us into a recession, but hey, at least those jobs went to Canada instead of someplace overseas. That makes me feel a whole lot better. A small victory. I think you've really nailed the PR aspect of near sourcing as a word right there. That's exactly how people are using it. All right. So after one round, here's where we are. Simone, Casey, and Carrie all have two points. Kathy picked up one point from her soulmate. Maybe Simone. We'll see how that goes. Mike, Andy, and me back here in the back where it's very pleasant and well lit and there are pillows with zero points. That's fine. It's fine back here. It's the best. Let's move on to round number two. It's in time for another word. Maybe this word will be less disappointing or maybe it won't. The word for round two is Batmobiling. Please send me your definitions for Batmobiling now. Okay. All of the definitions are in for Batmobiling. I wonder what that means. Let's find out. Here are your definition possibilities. Bolting additional features onto a product without considering the overall user experience. Creating software that has a large variety of customization options. When the parameters of a project change partway through development. Using a showy but ultimately useless technology to satisfy arbitrary requirements. Putting up an emotional shield just as a relationship enters that intimate vulnerable stage. I'm not going to ask who said that, but you deserve a hug. It's not that bad all the time. The act of repurposing someone else's software by adding one major element, a practice commonly used by students. And a software project management term describing what happens to an app when it becomes overloaded with esoteric features that will rarely be needed. Those are your definitions for Batmobiling. These are all really good. Yeah, they are. Pretty good. We can make some new words here. Well done, everyone. Well done. And Mike, unfortunately, you got to go first this time. What do you think Batmobiling is? I'll go with the last one, the project management one. All right. Features that will, esoteric features, we'll say, is the highlight of that. Simone? They're good, right? They're good. They're really good. I'm tempted by a lot of them, but I think I am going to go with the one about students. Adding one element to an existing piece of software in order to make a new piece of software. All righty. Got it. Yeah. I know, everybody feels regrets afterward. It's how the game works. Casey, what do you think? So I really like the student one because the original Batmobile, to the best of my knowledge, was basically just bolting a bunch of crap on a regular car and making it look different. But I actually agree with Mike that the esoteric features one rings most true to me. So hopefully I will not regret these words in a few minutes. I'm going to like a software developer. Andy, what do you think? Can you read the first one again? Sure. Bolting additional features onto a product without considering the overall user experience. Yeah. I think that's the one. I'll pick one over one. Add features. We don't care about the users. Just put those features in there. Carrie, what do you think? I'm going with the esoteric features because it sounds most like a definition. And even if it's not, I think points to whoever is using esoteric in this friendly game of Boulder Dash. So I'll happily give them my points if I'm wrong. All right. I mean, look, that's how this game is played. Sometimes you just got to admire the game of one of your competitors and give them a point. Kathy, you are our last to pick. I would like to choose the term that's showy but useless. The showy but useless. Which one is that? That was the second or third one. Oh, yeah. There it is. Using a showy but ultimately useless technology to satisfy arbitrary requirements. Right. That one. Very nice. Arbitrary. Another good word. Yeah. Well done. Esoteric, arbitrary. All right. A lot of people on this panel who have been wounded by that. Oh, yeah. Let's see how everybody did, shall we? So Kathy thought it was showy but ultimately useless technology to satisfy an arbitrary requirement. That was Casey's answer. Point to Casey. Simone thought that it was the act of repurposing someone else's software by adding one major element like a student might do. Simone, got to add Carrie to your list of potential soulmates. God, why? What's really going on here? Andy thought it was bolting additional features onto a product without considering the overall user experience. That was Mike's definition. Very good. Point to Mike. And well, Mike and Casey and Carrie all thought that it was a software project management term describing what happens to an app when it becomes overloaded with esoteric features that will rarely be needed. And yeah, that was Andy's fake answer. Oh, well done, Andy. Andy gets three points, which is great, but you know what's greater, everybody? I get four points. I don't know. Is that really greater? Because you know, Batmobiling, sometimes your heart is like the Batmobile. And at that moment where you need to get intimate, instead you put up your emotional shields. What? That. What? Is Batmobiling. You liar. You said this was all technology related. Are you kidding me? Everybody made up a much better definition than that one. I thought that was Kathy letting me down softly. If only I could be that good of a writer. It's like an online culture term, apparently, and that's why it's in here. It's not all about software development. I talked myself out of points there because I thought, you know, I bet whoever, that's clearly a made up one, but I'll make that person feel better by making sure they get at least a point for that. I appreciate it. But then I thought, no. I appreciate your compliments to the writer of that definition. All right. Well, after two rounds, yeah, I got four points. I'm the villain here. You guys need to beat me. Casey, Andy, Carrie all have three. Simone has two. And Kathy and Mike each have one. Nobody was zero. Everybody's got points. Everybody's doing great. We're all on the board. That's good news. Let's move on to round three. Another word, or this is actually a phrase. I want you to tell me what Zenmail is. What is Zenmail? Z-E-N-M-A-I-L, Zenmail. Please send me your definitions now. All the definitions are in for Zenmail. Let's see what they are. These are good. These are really good, people. Zenmail, the feeling of peace when forwarding an email, thereby making the original request someone else's problem. Email messages that elicit a peaceful or positive emotional response. Automated responses from the CRM Zendesk, usually used to confirm receipt of customer support queries. Email messages that arrive with no text in the message body. A message that was implied, but not actually sent. The person in the message thread thought they already understood what they meant. Emails that make you feel joy when you archive them. And making peace with the reality that you will never maintain inbox zero. These are seven excellent definitions for Zenmail. Only one of them is real, you know, for whatever goes for real in this game. And let's start with Simone this time. Simone, what do you think Zenmail is, really? I feel like I am falling into a trap, but I am going to go with the Zendesk one. Zendesk. It does sound very specific. Very, again, very specific. Specificity is the soul of narrative. I should know, because my IT department uses Zendesk. So, but you know what? The Zenmail is coming from inside the game! You going with it? Yeah, yeah. All right. Okay. Casey. I feel like I am falling deep, deep, deep into a trap, but I concur with Simone that the Zendesk email sounds the most plausible to me. I will fall into that hole of despair with Simone, and I will join you there. Let's just be cool about it, Casey. You're in a CRM pit down there. It's a ball pit. It's fine. It's a CRM ball pit. You're having a great time. Andy, what do you think? You know, on some of these, I feel like I'm not trying to guess what it really is. I'm registering a vote on what the definition should be. I love it. I'm going to go with a message that arrives without any text. All right. That's the most Zen of all emails. Carrie, what do you think? I'm going to go with the one that was about just accepting the reality that you will never maintain in boxing. That's right. We all need a little bit of Zenmail acceptance in our lives. Okay. Kathy. I think I need to join my soulmate and Casey in Zendesk, please. In the CRM ball pit? You're down there in the ball pit now. It's delightful. That's going to be great. And Mike, you get to wrap this one up. Man, had I not just discarded the emotional answer for Batmobiling because it had nothing to do with tech, I would discard the Zenmail one as well. I don't know. I'm going to go with the Zenmail one because I will kick myself if that's really it. Which one do you mean? You mean the Zendesk? The Zendesk one. The Zendesk. Interesting. All right. Well, Andy thought that Zenmail was a message that arrives with no text in the message body. What could be more Zen? That is the correct answer. Hey! All right, guys! What? Frickin' A! Are you kidding me? If I got a message that was blank, I'm not feeling Zen. Yeah, seriously. I'm alarmed. Let's see. So, Carrie thought that it was making peace with the reality that you will never maintain inbox zero. I'm sensing a little soul connection with Simone right there. That was Simone's answer. That's the second time you've fallen for one of mine. And everybody else thought that it was a Zendesk email deploying her CRM knowledge. Carrie Provenzano gets four. Carrie! I'm not even, you know, I don't even feel regret for that. You fell right into that pulpit. I would like to point out that I have both Zendesk and the empty email as my options to choose from. And yet I went with Zendesk. You got fished in. You got fished in. I don't even care about no one picking my definition. All I care about is that I feel as though I stole four points away from Jason. And isn't that my biggest fault? So Andy tried to out-Zen me by having the message that was implied but never sent. That is amazing. But a Zenmail, yeah, Zenmail is just an empty email message. I think people would get these empty accidental emails and say, oh, it's very Zen. It's Zenmail. Okay, here we go. Last round before our halftime break. And it is this. Words are fun, but we're going to do something slightly different. I am going to ask you to play a game called What Error Is This? In which you get to diagnose an error on the internet. What error is HTTP error 418? Give me an HTTP error, a web server error message. I'm going to be really pissed when I get this one. Oh, man. All right. We have error codes, everybody. Yay, error 418. What does it mean? Here are your options for error 418. Unexpected header content. The server is a teapot. The user has temporarily forgotten that humanity was born into suffering just as surely as sparks fly upward. This world is but a veil of tears and the creator, if one even exists at all, is aware of our suffering but entirely indifferent to it. The server recommends that the user just accept all of this once and for all. Give up on hope. It's an anchor that can only pull you under. Attempting to diagnose networking problems is just a childish distraction from the terrifying inevitability of the open grave that awaits us all. Also, contact your system administrator because this could be a CloudFlare thing. I don't know what you're talking about. That's boom. That's good. Well done. That's good stuff. Well done. I mean, whoever cut, copied, and pasted that after a Google search, you're not supposed to cheat, but... An unknown server error. Unsupported protocol. Connection interrupted. And the server you're trying to reach is offline. Those are your options for error HTTP 418. And for this round, we get to begin with Casey. Yay! Casey. Which one of those is real? I am so perturbed by this because I've done enough web programming in my life that I probably should know the answer. I'm also frustrated because I know there are some very weird and esoteric... Now I'm saying it. I know there are some very weird and esoteric errors... Show title. Errors within the HTTP spec. However, I'm going to go with something that's a little more vanilla, and I'm going to go with unexpected header content. Unexpected header content. All right. Andy, what do you think? I'm going to go with unexpected header content because it's of absolutely no use whatsoever. It's a classic internet error, isn't it? Very much so. It tells you nothing. I mean, although I will point out that unknown server error, also an option here, just as helpful. A lot of good, helpful answers here. Any of them could be right. Carrie, what do you think? I am going to go with the answer that I have called the essay of existential dread. All right. Just because it's in a weird place. Who knows? It could be real. And you're giving a point to somebody for their hard work if it's not real. Kathy. Exactly. Yeah, Kathy, what do you think? Could I hear again the two after the essay of existential dread, please? Sure. An unknown server error and unsupported protocol. So we've got, among the answers, we've got headers, we've got protocols, we've got unknowns, we've got everything is here. Thingies. So many. The thingy went like the deal. The protocol one. The protocol one. Okay. Mike? Can you read the second one again? The server can't. No, the server is a teapot. Oh, the one after that. No, I can't. I can't read the third one. Fourteen. User has temporarily forgotten that humanity was born into suffering. Yeah. I thought there was another. Et cetera, et cetera. I just thought it was just so perfect. I just happened to remember it. It's something about the musicality of the last- You're giving it away, Andy. Well, I have to admit that one- I'm not giving it away. I'm charging a point for it. Please. About 10 words into that one, I thought, that is Andy's, but I almost want to vote for it just because of the effort that went into it. It's quite a gambit. What was the second to last one? I think that was the protocol one, right? Unsupported protocol, connection interrupted, and the server is offline are the last three. Let's do the unsupported protocol. Unsupported protocol. And, Simone, what do you think? This is so tough. I think I'm going to follow the Pied Piper Casey list onto whatever that first one was. Header content. Unexpected header content. Yeah. All right. Is that everyone? That's everyone. It's okay. This doesn't obviously mean anything, but I think Teapot actually could be it. I wasn't confident enough to choose it, but there are some weird HTTP errors. And so I'm going to be doubly angry and quit the show if Teapot is the answer. Well, Casey, you're remembering right, because there is an HTTP response for that internet server that makes coffee that they had in a university in England, I think, somewhere. They had the internet coffee pot. So there absolutely was a coffee related HTTP error. Okay. Maybe that's what I'm thinking of. Okay. So, all right. Kerry gave a point to Andy. Well done. When you're in the lead, you can afford to do that. Which one was the... Can you read that out again? Paid by the word. It starts with user and ends with Cloudflare, and there's a lot of words in between. I think it ends in Cloudfair thing. Cloudfair thing. Could be. Yes. I think there was the... And Jason, bless you for not editing me. I was going to... It was very fake. You knew what you were doing. All right. Kathy and Mike thought it was unsupported protocol. That was Casey's fake error response. Nice. And that means Casey, Andy, and Simone all decided it was unexpected header content. That was Mike Schmidt's fake response. Mike Schmidt. Well done. I just threw together every term I could think of from my web development days. Exactly. God bless you. Don't ever, ever, ever come near the user portion of any interface ever again. This means... And it's good that we've reached the halftime point where we take a brief break back to the podcast-a-thon before continuing. Oh, no. Because we're going to need that time to get Casey back, because HTTP 418 is their response to the internet coffee pot, and it says that this server can't make coffee, not because it's offline, but because it is a teapot. I hate everything. I quit. Everyone's fired, and I quit. Oh, I'm so gross. What a cliffhanger. Will Casey return in part two? Stay tuned for that. But for now, that's Relay of M. Host Balderdash part one. Back to the podcast-a-thon. And we are back. Part two of the game show will be airing in a little while. If you're just joining us, we are raising money for St. Jude Children's Research Hospital. You can learn more and donate at stjude.org slash relay. We are at $421,892. That is 84% of the way to our goal of half a million dollars. This money goes to treat pediatric cancer patients, but also for research to end this terrible thing that affects way too many families. Now, we got some fun stuff coming up this afternoon or this evening or this morning. I don't know where you are. It's afternoon here for me. But up next, we have a very, very special guest, Quinn Nelson. You may know him from the Snazzy Labs YouTube channel or my podcast with him called Flashback. Oh, it's raining and thundering. I heard thunder a second ago. Anyways, Quinn is going to join me and we're going to talk about a very special slash not special old computer. Hey, Quinn. Hi, Stephen. How you doing? Look at that beard. Oh, well, you know, I got to match the king over there. Well, you know, I'm going to start cutting it here pretty soon to raise money. So. Oh, well, I don't know that I can join you in that endeavor. I'm hiding too many chins behind mine. So, Quinn, one of the things we have been doing today is smashing an IBM PC Junior. I've seen it. Yes. It's a little sad. There are little like shrapnel pieces all over the studio. It's going to take a long time to clean up tonight. But I thought we could talk a little bit about this because the story of IBM is really interesting to me in the personal computer space. Of course, IBM had been mainframe company doing these really big, expensive machines that would take up, you know, the half the size of a house to, you know, do everything from banking to making sure that the mercury capsule, the first astronauts were in, would go in a circle around the earth and not hit the earth. But in the 70s and 80s, things began to shift, right? You had personal computers, personal technology. And that's, I think, kind of where we're going to pick up our story today. Yeah. So, as you mentioned, a bunch of time spent in kind of the enterprise and in the mainframe, the personal computer industry was really picking up steam. You had competitors from Atari and Commodore and Apple, and IBM wanted a piece of that market. And so, well, they kind of joined as being the more professional computer that they were. They figured, well, let's start in enterprise. And they released the IBM PC. And this was intended for use inside of businesses for, you know, as rather than a terminal, a dedicated computer that workers and office people could use. And I think they expected it to do well, but not as well as it did. I mean, it's difficult to understate how much the IBM PC dominated that kind of enterprise business market. It sold like crazy. Yeah, they sold 750,000 machines in 1983. I mean, that's pretty good. That's pretty good. You know, you had other companies selling a tenth of that, you know, if they were lucky. Of course, IBM had the name recognition, and they had all of this relational strength because all these companies either were already using IBM or they knew the name. And so they were able to use their brand, if you will, to really move into this new market. And by 1984, of course, the year the Macintosh comes out, their revenue in the PC market was $4 billion, which was twice as big as Apple with the Apple II, which up until this point had been one of the biggest names in town. Right. Yeah. And so it's only reasonable to understand that as kind of IBM dominates this business market that they want to kind of trickle downstream a little bit. You have, obviously, Apple that's very much doing well in kind of the higher end home consumer market. You've got Commodore and Radio Shack, frankly, with the TRS-80 on the low end that are just killing it. I mean, their volume is crazy high and the computers are not very good, particularly, especially the TRS-80. There's a reason it got the nickname Trash-80 that it did. I have one and you compare it to even a Commodore 64 and you're like, wow, this is not good. But they wanted to kind of come downstream. The problem is the hardware that was in the IBM PC was just way too expensive. And so they wanted to bring it down market. And what they had noticed was that the IBM PC, while very expensive, was finding its way into homes, the homes of people that had a lot of money. But even though this was a computer designed for the office employee, it was making its way into consumers' houses. It's estimated that 50 to 70% of all IBM PCs sold were going into the home. And so they figured, well, let's capture this market better by creating a cheaper option that can compete more directly with the Apple II and with the Commodore 64. And they called it, as you've seen smashed on stage, the IBM PC Junior. That's right. It's a cute name. It's a pretty good name. It's a good name. Yeah. So like you said, they were going after this home market. For a lot of people buying the Commodore or other systems, it was really about home gaming. And so part of this was, we want to bring the price down. We're going to make it more suitable for gaming so it fits in better with these other systems. So what does that entail? What did they add to make it gaming capable? RGB lights, right? RGB lights. You got to have that. You got to have high refresh rate display. No, no. Things like cartridge slots, things like better graphics and sound, joystick ports. So you could have these other things. It was a computer, but also a gaming system. But they didn't quite get there, I don't think, in reading about it. I mean, they had two models, the 004 and the 067, just 64 kilobytes of memory. It had these cartridge slots, but the cartridge slots weren't perfect, right? There were some issues with that? No. Yeah, because a lot of the programs were larger than the capacity of those carts anyway. And so much of, especially IBM's kind of office suite, just didn't fit on those cartridges. And so that base model was really kind of, and that's the one you have that's clearly got the cart slots on, at least from what I can tell. Well, it used to have the cart slot, cartridge slots. There you go. Yeah. They're in there somewhere. They're not attached to the frame anymore, probably. And then you had the model 67, which on the higher end, that had 128K of memory, which was double that of the lower end model, and had a more practical five and a quarter inch floppy disk drive instead of those cartridge slots. But they were very expensive. I mean, they were $1,300, which was even beyond what kind of the high end Apple II models were priced at at the time. So it was still kind of priced above market, but frankly, even with the high end model, they were really kind of hobbled together and couldn't run much of the software catalog that you could run on the IBM PC. So you had this fragmentation from within the platform itself, which is not good. Yeah. It's so interesting because they wanted to come after these gaming computers and the hardware they built in for that wasn't sufficient. But they couldn't at the same time, like on the other side of the coin, they couldn't break free of building the business machine that they had a few years before. I mean, this thing had the same CPU as the PC, but it did not have the complete... Thank you. ...compatibility layer. And so I think in an ideal world, what IBM saw was you would have an IBM PC at work. You have a PC junior at home that your kids could play games on, on the TV. But then when you need to get work done, maybe after hours, you could bring those programs home. But they didn't make it compatible fully with the PC. It's like, it blows my mind that this is how this went down because you have this amazingly popular platform. The second computer in that platform should be compatible with the first one, and they just missed the mark. And so you end up in this situation where for people who wanted to buy a computer for gaming, it's not as good and more expensive than the other options. For people who want a PC at home, it's not compatible with the PC at their desk. They're still going to buy an IBM PC or in reality, a PC clone. It's like the goals they had for this machine, they just fell short of. Yeah. Well, and that's the real irony is that they were priced above those kind of lower end gaming computers, but because the software catalog didn't really work that well, they provided ultimately a worse experience. And so despite the press kind of being excited about it at the beginning, thinking maybe this is finally the machine that can dethrone the Commodore 64, which keep in mind that by 1984, it had been on the market for a number of years. But no, it just didn't really pan out. As if the software issues were not difficult enough, there were other hardware issues. The keyboard in particular, because this had a TV video out with the idea that you would be using this somewhere other than a dedicated monitor on your desk. They figured, well, why don't we design the keyboard so that you can take it a little bit away in terms of distance from the machine. And the solution to that at the time was infrared and like a TV remote. And infrared back in the eighties was a lot worse than infrared is today. And infrared today is still not very good. And so they had two models of the keyboard. The original one was awful. It had these like little tiny chiclet keys that were kind of similar. Yeah. Do you want to see them? I've got one here. Yeah, let's see it. Let's see it. I was going to walk over here surprising everyone in the room. You've got this keyboard with these little tiny chiclet keys and it communicates via infrared, which in theory allows the user to sit back from the machine. But it was pretty terrible to type on for any real length of time. And it kind of sucked through batteries. I think it had four double A's. Oh wow. Yeah, four double A's on the back. I mean, I can't describe to you how bad these keys feel. Like maybe you can hear them. You know what they feel like Quinn? They feel like buttons on a cheap TV remote. You don't want to type on this and you have all this spacing between them. It is, it's bad. Like I understand why people hated this. But the thing that really gets me about this is IBM made arguably one of the best keyboards of all time. Yeah. And then this comes out. And this, right. Yeah, it's rough. And to make matters even funnier, they did, I think, especially the American market was like this is not acceptable. And so in the US, they had a US specific model, a keyboard update for the IBM PCjr that was more kind of traditional, but it wasn't a good kind of tactile keyboard like you would see on the model F or the model M. It was a very mushy kind of membrane keyboard. It was still infrared. And apparently those were even less reliable at transmitting data over IR than the original membrane keyboards were. And so, yeah, not great. Yes. So you have all of these factors, right? And by the time March 84 rolls around, you know, three months after the Mac is announced, sales are already lackluster, you know, for all of these reasons, right? No matter who, no matter what type of potential customer you were, this machine would let you down in some way. And pretty soon there were a lot of conversations in the press about, you know, IBM's got a flop on their hands. This was a mistake. And it really ends up being, I mean, is it being discounted? Like within six months of being on sale. And that's just not a good look for your new like flagship consumer product. Yep. And even on sale, it still doesn't sell. And so March 1985, which is this is a year after it enters the market, it gets taken off the market from sale, which is like crazy that from a year they could go from this, hey, this machine is going to define home computer usage. This is going to compliment the IBM PC you have at work to just not even existing. They didn't even take a second whack at it is pretty crazy. And one has to kind of think, well, what would have happened had they tried again and made more compelling hardware? Because the clone makers were doing it. I mean, you could get a clone of an IBM PC that was fairly close in price to a PC junior and they were great. I mean, they didn't have the fit and finish and the polish of a standard IBM PC, but they weren't bad at all. And they ran full PC software, right? Yeah, right. They were capable. Yeah. So this thing ends up basically lasting a year on the market. Spring of 85 IBM calls it quit. Calls it quits. People compared new Coke, which is like the most 80s burn you've ever heard. Like if you're the new Coke of computers, you blew it in the 80s. Right. And the PC junior, PC junior definitely was a mess. IBM ended up coming back to the home market in the 90s with the PS one. But that's a story for a different time. But this, this first kind of official inroad to the consumer and home market, IBM just couldn't get it done. Yeah. Rip. And that's why I could sit with a baseball bat during the podcast. It's hard to say it doesn't deserve it. I know it does. Uh, well Quinn, thank you for joining me. Thank you. Season. Yeah. Season three of flashback, uh, we'll be back in October. I think it's coming. Probably. Yeah. Coming soon. I told Quinn the other day, I was like, I have to get through the podcastathon and then we can do season three. And I think I for one, want to get into more IBM history. I think it's all really interesting. So let's do it. We did a OS two already, right? So just trying to cascade down the, yeah. Wait, is OS two at the top? That's that's rough. Well, the cascade up, I guess. There you go. Yeah. Uh, well Quinn have a good weekend and thank you so much. Thanks guys. You're awesome. All right. See you. Bye. All right. So that is my friend Quinn Nelson. He's very tall, very handsome. Uh, we've got a few things to do. So maybe if we can get Mike back, I think we've got, uh, some wheel spinning to do. I think there's probably some hula hooping and beans to do. I think we got a lot of stuff to catch up on. Hello. Uh, I thought what might be great right now actually is to say that we have just passed $430,000. Yes. Raised for the kids of St. Jude. I think that that's somewhere between, I think 50 to $60,000 that we have raised during the podcast with on so far. Which is pretty incredible. And there's a lot left. We've got a lot more left. We do. We do. I do want to point out that, uh, if you, and I've gotten emails all day today, I glanced at my email during the break, but, uh, if you have, uh, you work at a company that has corporate matching or donation matching, uh, send me an email with a verification of that and we can have that amount added, uh, to the campaign as well. So I thank you all who have done that and just send me a note and we'll get, we'll get that done. Uh, this also, Mike, is the time in the show where we bring back what has become a podcast a thon tradition. Ah, yes. Where as we, uh, as we raise money and, uh, as we continue to climb through the milestones, I have less and less facial hair. So at $435,000, the first section of beard will come off. I have my height button in front of me right now. I would have pressed it. I'll hit mine. I'll just, you go for it. So $435,000, I will be at Sideburns and Goatee and then we'll work our way down through Goatee, Biker Stash, Biker Stash, which is everyone's favorite, Mustache, and then we will vote shave or save. See if I keep a mustache through the rest of September. So go donate at stgu.org slash relay so I can get started in on that. So Mike, do we want to, uh, do we want to spin the wheel? Do you want to eat a bean? Spin the wheel, my friend. Spin the wheel. Okay. Spin the wheel. I noticed you said you didn't say you wanted to eat a jelly bean. Spin the wheel, Steven. That's what I would like you to do. There's a jacket, jacket, jacket. Oh, okay. Okay, okay. Jacket. Come on. If you're going to do it, do it right. Look at that thing. Sitting over there all nice and shiny. It's like, it's like my iMac. Oh yeah, I also have some stuff that I'm going to be doing when Steven shaves. I've got like a bunch of adornments that I will be attaching to my face. So as Steven loses, I will add, that's as much as I'll say for now. Okay. Beautiful jacket. Thank you. Looking very good. Very snazzy. I see what you did there. I'd like to thank Eli and Elaine for their $1,000 donation and the very kind corporate matches for $6,000. Yeah. Thank you, corporate matches. Thank you. Seriously, though, that's what we've been talking about. That's really amazing. Where is it going to stop, Steven Hacker? Number eight. Steven donation match. Yay. Okay. Yay. So the first one we did $80, I believe. And so the next $80 given, I will match. So we're doing another 80. So you're up to 160. Up to 160 and matching. Yep. All right, spin it. I'm going to spin the other way this time, see how that goes. Do me a favor and hold the microphone a little further away from your face. But that's also good. Yeah, that's no good that way. Number 12. Steven gives Mike a compliment. Come on. Steven gives Mike a compliment. Mike is a really fast learner. When he gets interested in something and wants to learn about it, he can dive in and become really, really familiar with all the details. I'm very impressed by that. Good job. Oh, thank you. That's so nice of you. I appreciate that. And thank you to Charles Thomas. $1,000 donation. Very good. Thank you. My hype button is lost in the balloon room somewhere. Oh, no. I will fish it out. So there is currently 500 balloons in there. It is aggressive, to say the least. I need to add some more Lego to the iMac, I think. I think you should do that. I'll tell you what, I'll do that. Why don't you go to the balloon room and give us an update from there? All right. I'm on my way. Getting in is a struggle now. Because as I try to get in, all the balloons try to get out. Very delicate. I hope that they don't notice. It's kind of like dinosaurs. Like, the less that you move, the less that they notice. I'm in. And here's my hype button. Found it. What do you think? You think I found it? All right. You join me in the balloon room. See, I'm out. I think I'm now at the point, Stephen, where the table and chair makes a lot of sense. Here we go. Oh, no, there goes the table. I've lost the table. Oh, no. So there goes a microphone stand and the hype button. Just, they are in there somewhere. Let's see if I can. Oh, the microphone stand is standing up straight. How perfect. It's good. It's heavy, right? It's falling to pieces. There we go. We have a fallen soldier. And I stepped on the hype button. I know where it is now. There we go. Oh, thank you, Mallory and Scott, for your donation. That's fantastic, Mike. That looks really good. Yeah, so we're about $2,500 from our first beard shaving and beard decoration. It's going to be real exciting. Look at this thing in here, man. Thank you, Stephen's shiny coat. I haven't in the time of my life. Stephen, spin that wheel, will you? Okay. Let's see what we got. That thing is so loud. Here it goes. We'll spin it. I can't see the numbers this time. Come on, come on, come on. Number 15. 15. We got to come over here. Board apparel time. That's right, board of apparel. Number one. I believe that's the profile picture. Lego walk. Lego walk. Yay. Lego walk. Lego walk. Sorry, generic plastic brick walk. Generic plastic building brick walk. Look, since last time I did this, people put more Lego on here. It does look significantly more plastic brick. It looks like there's more Lego. No, plastic bricks. Plastic brick. Generic plastic bricks. Oh, I hate it. Oh, look, here's a nice little empty space. Oh, come on, get in amongst it. Okay. Oh, by the way, Stephen, I cleaned all the grease out of my phone case. Oh, good. That's good. Stephen, can you show the camera my amazing phone case? I don't know if everyone can see that. Say hi to Adina's arm. Here it is. You see it? There it is. Oh, that's nice. It's terrible, man. The whole thing is like kind of sticky. That's perfect. That's perfect. Thank you, Thomas, for your information. I don't know why. It's all kind of a little sticky. Let's do some more spins, Stephen Hackett. Okay. I'm going to leave my shoes off in case. You spin me right round, Stephen. Wow. Right round. That got a laugh in the control room, and I do not approve. Let me see. Good, good joke. What was the joke that you made earlier that nobody liked? Oh, I know what that one is. PC Smash. Oh, yeah, we've memorized number two. I'm going to put my shoes back on. I think this board is rigged. Yeah, it's probably good. You need maximum shoes. You need eyeglasses. By the way, can we talk about Rick's PC Junior Smash? Can we talk about that now that he's not around? That was kind of incredible, right? Yeah. Thank you. He really took that, I think. I'm hearing that there were many people in the production room that were very. I think people really enjoyed that. He has quite a swing on him. I think you've got to try and mash that. Okay. I'm going to set the microphone down. That is definitely a good idea. All right, so here he goes. Microphone is down. He's going to leave the special jacket on, I think. He's going to be all nice and shiny. Let's see what makes him swing. I think Steven's trying to find his eye protection. Oh, no, it's the bat. He was trying to find the bat. Glasses off. Eye protection on. Look at him go. I want to get closer to the screen. I need to see this thing. Here he goes. All right. Batter up, buddy. Show them what you've got. $500 on the weirdest fish. Oh! And he's gone. Junior, no. Junior, no. What did I do to you? What did I do to my boy? Oh, VC Junior. That poor thing. That poor, poor thing. Mike, I have an important update. You've got to send Jude to org slash relay. What was that? I have an important update. Okay. What is it? McIntoast.com is the domain that I bought. McIntoast.com. That's a good domain. Yes. Yep. And it goes. And this goes to the donation page, which you can go to at StJude.org slash relay. Or McIntoast.com. McIntoast.com. If DNS is working. If DNS is working. Sometimes, me and Stephen go quiet for a moment, and it usually is because we have our incredible production team helping us out, who have been around for the third year, and the team keeps growing, and we're very grateful for them. So, I just wanted to, right now, we'll do it at the end, but I want to give a special shout out to everybody who's helped put this on at Olsak and St. Jude, because they're very good for us. Yes. Weirdest Fish, Andrew, Cara, thank you all for your gifts to St. Jude. That's a $500 one, so we know what that means. You know what that means? What does that mean? Oh, it's hula hoop time. Hula hoop time. Come on. Let's get in on it. Okay. So, hula hoop in this. I also don't remember what's coming up next. If somebody could tell me what's coming up next, I would love that. Amazing. More spins. Oh, fantastic. We're spinning it up for a while. Oh, yeah, I forgot about the mic stamps. Oh, it's hula hoop time, too. Are you going to go for the traditional hip hula hoop here, or are we going to mix it up? I think arm could be fun, you know? Like an extended arm, and you like try and do that? Or do you still feel like you've got some work to do on the hip hula hoop there, Stephen? I think at the moment he's trying to deal with the hula hoop of cables that he's got himself caught in. Oh, he can't hear me. Stephen's very good at this. There he goes. Look. Then everything would be destroyed if he tries to get out of these cables. Oh, here he comes. He's nearly there. Come on, buddy, you can do it. We believe in you. No, he's still he's very cabled up right now. All right, okay, here he goes. Stephen Hackett with the two? What is he? Oh, okay. This is going to be a disaster. They're going to go everywhere. Try one first. There you go. That's a good idea. Let's try one. He's going to try. Yep, that's it, that's it. Ready? Let's do this thing. Oh, there he goes. That is going to fly off and something is going to be destroyed. Hey, that and there. Very nice. Good work, Stephen Hackett. Oh, okay, you trying to show us that there's no string around something? You're going to saw someone in half now? What is this? Here he goes. Oh, boy, this isn't going to go well, is it? This isn't. No. Oh, it looks like there you go. Hey, Stephen, when you're doing that, you're the ringmaster. There he goes. I'm done. He does look like one with that jacket on, too. It's really good. Stephen, spin the wheel. Oh, yeah. Where are we going to land? Oh, it's still going. Oh, where can it stop? Oh, where's it going to go? Where's it going to go? Oh, it's going to go. Number three. Three. Amazing. Now what's going to happen? Oh, wow. Wait a second. Oh, where's it going to land? Number three. What could it mean? What could it mean, Mike? Somebody tell me. Oh, I was lied to. I have a segment wearing a onesie. How could this have happened? I don't know. It's so strange. All right. Okay. Microphone goes down. All right. So we're going to see Mike change into something that I picked out for him. I have no idea what this is. It's really weird. It was harder than you think to find a onesie that looks like an American bald eagle, but I was very successful. There we go. Yeah, give everybody a good view of that thing. I know Halloween's not for another month, but I thought you'd get a jump start on it. Thank you. Is this glowing, Doc? I hope so. Thank you, Scott. Donation of $500. That puts us very close to the beginning of the beard talent. I'm just trying to put this thing. Okay. You're definitely going to fall into the balloon room. I guess I got a chair. This is what you tuned into. Watch a grown man try to put on a onesie in a room full of balloons. I mean, this is someone's thing. We're at $434,000. I'm going to be so warm in this, right? Yeah, you're going to get very sweaty. Man, I already could be. You should... All right. He's really struggling there. You can do it, Mike. I can't get it off my shoes. You can do it. We're having a good time today. We're about halfway through. We'll be running until 8 p.m. Eastern. Got a ways to go. It's thunderstorming outside here in Memphis. Maybe you've heard that. That's been fun. It's dark where Mike is. I can see out the window that it's dark, and so I hope... I might be speaking a little bit higher for the rest of the... A little small? Thank you, Joe. $500 for the kids of St. Jude. Mike, you just have to wear it for one segment. Did you leave your tie out of it? Not intentionally, but... And we need the jacket, I think, back on top of it. Do you want me to die? It's so good. It's so good. Oh, man. This has made my afternoon scene this. Look at him go. Maybe you could give us a little skeleton dance. Hello, I'm Alfred P. Skellington. There we go. This is so incredibly uncomfortable. Oh, don't worry. We're all comfortable about it. All of us. That's fantastic. So what are we doing now? Oh, we got... Go spin the wheel again. Okay. It's so hot, though. Thank you. It's so uncomfortable. I'm going to spin the wheel again. I'm going to spin the wheel again. Amazing. Also, as well, we just passed $435,000, Stephen Hackett. Yes, that means during the next segment, I will go do some shaving. But first, I got to put a onesie on in front of a room full of people. At least it's just you and your wife. I have a room full of, I mean, not strangers, but not spouses. This is actually hilarious, just seeing the likes like this. It's very funny, actually. I like it. You picked pretty well, I'm not going to lie. It's so hot, though. Me too. I can't wait. I'm so excited for this. Stephen, this is going to be so good. It's just like your essence. It's going to look great on you, man. Oh, it's your color. It's like your color in everything. I know you love yellow. Hey, Stephen. Yeah? Name that Pokemon, buddy. It's Pikachu! Yes, it is. Oh, look at it. Oh, this is going to be good. This is like completely wearable, you know, like just in the average day to day. Go down to the grocery store, you know, people are going to get it. I can't really describe to you. This is made out of sweater material. Oh, yeah. Yeah, well, I'm not going to lie. Oh, yeah. Yeah, why do you think I'm sweating over here? Because it's sweater. I've got like a jacket on. I've got a full suit going on with this thing. Okay. Mike, you've got to talk while I'm doing this, buddy. Okay, so Pikachu is Pokemon number 25. An electric mouse type Pokemon is the way that it is described. Pikachu, of course, is well known for being the partner Pokemon of Ash Ketchum. It's funny, his name is Ketchum, but it's like catch him, like catch them all. It's like a F1 driver named Max Fast. Yeah, it's just like that, really. Or Pit Stop with two Ps. And here he goes. So Stephen's now going to... Really, the evolved form of Pikachu, Raichu, which evolved with an electric stone. I think this might be the most unfortunate Pokemon, because nobody ever wants to evolve their Pikachu, because everybody wants Pikachu. Oh, that looks like he's a little snug there, bud. Look how tight it is on his legs. Oh, man. Oh, boy. That's a form fitting Pikachu right there. Look at him. Oh, yes. I need to go here and get a better look at this. Oh, this is everything I ever could have wanted right now. Look at you. Do it up. Do it up. Come on. There it is. Oh, it has buttons at the front. How interesting. So you can easily remove it, you know? And yeah, you've got to put the hood on. It completes the look. And I think you have a tail, too, right? Go on, show us it. There he is. Perfect. Yeah, we want to hear you. I hate this. This is good. Nick's hat is kind of like Ash Ketchum's hat. I thought he was coming in to catch you for a minute. Yes. Yes. Look at him. Oh, come on. This is fantastic. There he is. That's a happy boy right there. Oh. Oh, look at that. Fantastic. Should we do one more wheel spin? Thank you.org.relay, I think, is where people need to go. Did you say another wheel spin? Oh, Stephen, I love you so much right now. We've got minutes to go, baby. Let's spin that wheel. Spin the wheel. You can use the microphone. I keep forgetting. Okay, spin the wheel. If this one ends up landing legit on one of the wheels, we want to do this right. Obviously, it was very legit. Fifteen. Okay. Let's see what happens. What's it going to be? We've still got some great stuff on here that we haven't hit yet. I know. Four. Four. Number four. We've got another day of phone case use. So this is an extra day. So tomorrow and the next day, we will be wearing- Mike, I have pockets. Me too. Oh, amazing. Great. This is fantastic. Okay. Well, I think I'm going to go shave. Oh, are you? I think so. All right. It's so hot. It's so hot. So what do we have coming up next, Mike? I don't know because I have no devices in the balloon room with me. Okay. Well, I don't know. Part two of Balderdash. Yes. Is coming up next, we were just told. So that was fantastic. I really enjoyed the first half, so I'm really excited to see. Will Casey rejoin the Balderdash team? Who's going to know? I don't know. We'll find out together. Right now? Welcome back to Relay FM. I'm Balderdash. When we last left you, Casey quit the show, but we teased him back. Let me tell you the point total so far. I am in the lead with eight points. You can't let me win, people. Don't let me win. Carrie, right behind at seven. Andy has six on the back of his fake answer. He got a point for admiration. Casey has five. Mike, four. Simone, three. And Kathy, our most experienced player in the back with one. To be fair, my experience remains being in the back. That's fair. Any listeners of low definition know that I am most comfortable in the back. In order to, we're going to move on. We have four more rounds. We're going to crown a champion in this half, and we're going to start with a word. I'm going to admit that I picked this word. This is a tech-related term, but I picked it because I knew Casey would be here. Oh, no. The word for round five. Why are you so mean to me? Thanks for coming back, Casey. Is Velveeta. Wait, this is tech-related? Velveeta. It is tech-related. There is a tech-related term, a jargon term for what Velveeta is. Please send me your definitions of Velveeta now. Why are you so mean to me, Jason? I thought we were friends. It comes from a place of love, Casey. I thought we had a rapport. I love Casey. Does it though? Yeah, sure. That place has love in it. I hate you so much. All right, all of the definitions for Velveeta are in. I'm going to read them to you now. Velveeta. To post the same thing to an excessive number of different channels. When a program runs smoothly with no errors the first time it's run. Unnecessary code. A community of tech enthusiasts who insist on matching all hardware colors, often using wraps to cover laptops and tablets. A fork of an open source project that bears a loose similarity to the original, but adds no new functions and is generally not considered a suitable substitute. This is unacceptable. A false password used when testing out login procedures. And a technology that is superior to the most popular alternatives, but has a poor reputation. Those are your definitions for Velveeta. And we'll start with Andy. I'm going to go with code that runs smoothly, because coders who are really, really hardcore into it, probably have lots of experience with Velveeta, and they actually would think it's a good product. And they would think that's a very, very kind thing to say about anything. Look, I'll say this about Velveeta. It's smooth. Carrie. Especially when it's ripping through your insides. Carrie, what do you think? I am torn between the smoothly with no errors, and also the one about the false password. Can you read that one again, please? A false password used when testing out login procedures. Okay, in the interest of forging my own path, I'm going to say that. All right. Very nice. Very nice. Kathy? I am so torn between the people that want all of the same color, the wraps, because that is creative. But I also really like the pun about the fork. Whether that was on purpose or not. So I'm going for the fork answer. Going for the fork. All right. Mike, what do you think? I may be overthinking this, but if I... I'm asking myself why you chose this word, and I think it's tied to a definition that is somewhat trolling Casey. So I'm going to go with the open source one. Which one? The open source one. Open source fork, that one? Yes. All right. Mike on the fork with Kathy. Simone? I've pushed on my nose so hard making my thinking face that I look like an old timey drunk. WC Fields, let me know what you think now. Really? Okay, what was the one that was right before the fake password one? Fork of an open source project. That's the fork. Good. The fork one. Okay. I'm going to go with Carrie on fake password. Fake password. I couldn't tell you why. But it is. It seems like that's what it is. All right. And Casey? I quit this game. Velveeta is superior to Kraft Mac and Cheese. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. This game is rigged against me, and I am filing a formal protest when it is complete. However, even though I think Mike's point about trolling me is excellent and is probably the correct answer, I have to go with, I believe it was Andy that said, running smoothly without errors on the first crack. That is zen for a developer, and that is what I would like to choose. Zen male. All right. Let's start with that one, Casey. Casey and Andy thought Velveeta was when a program runs so smooth that you may be soulmates. Simone's answer. Very well done. May I also compliment you that between that, I'm sorry. I was just going to say that that is absolutely perfectly. Again, I'm voting for the ones that it should be. That's Velveeta, baby. No, you can just see it, right? Somebody present, but let's just build and run it and see. Oh, man. Velveeta, yeah. It's going to be the new. That's now what it means. All right. Kathy and Mike thought it was the fork of an open source project that looks like the original, but actually doesn't do anything new. That was Andy's definition. Good job. And Carrie and Simone both thought it was a false password used when testing out logging procedures. Kathy's already said, oh, no, because that's Kathy's fake answer. I win again. Damn it. Velveeta. Was it wrapping the colors? No, no. That was Carrie's answer. You can change it to that. Velveeta, when you think Velveeta, if you think about a mass produced product that is just a same homogenous nothing, that would be when you cross post everything to a whole bunch of places, but it's always the same post. That's a Velveeta. Come on. No. Velveeta. No. Sorry. We're going to turn this around, everybody. We're going to turn this around. Under my authority, Simone, I'm giving you authorship of that term. New definition. Yeah, that's way better definition. As the author of a random house tech dictionary. Listeners out there, you know what to do. How will I troll Casey next? I probably am done now. Probably. I'm in the lead now with 12 points. Andy has eight. See, that's the trolling right there. Andy has eight. Carrie has seven. Simone and Casey have five. Mike has four and Kathy has three. Things are really moving along here. Let's move to round six. The word for round six, it's a phrase, really, is backhoe day. Backhoe day. B-A-C-K-H-O-E. Day. What is a backhoe day? Please send me your definitions now. All of the definitions for backhoe day are in. Let me read them to you now. Backhoe day. Taking a personal day to organize your digital files. Popularized in a Medium post from tech journalist Daniel Roscoe. When employees are sent home from work because the office network is down. The first day on a project when the team lays the groundwork for what is to come. When everyone in an office works on that one project they don't actually want to do in order to get it off the to-do list. Taking a day from delivering new features to instead clean up technical debt. A day spent focusing on and refactoring inefficient code. And the last day before a major software project goes to release candidate status. Features with major unsolved issues are cleared out in bulk. Those are the definitions for backhoe day. And to get us started it will be Carrie Provenzano. Carrie, what do you think backhoe day is? I am going to go for the one that was about the team spending a day working on a project for the work yet to come. Something like that. Laying the groundwork for what is yet to come. Yes. Yes, laying the groundwork. Let's go with that one. Great. Kathy? Let's do the one where you take out the features that don't work. Like the day before a project. Ah, last day before a major project goes to release candidate you clear out unsolved issues. Right. Okay, Mike? That first one was very specific and is either correct or Andy's. This is my problem. I'll take that as a compliment because when I don't know what I'm talking about I do try to sound as though I'm being authoritative and I know what I'm talking about. So that means that. What does that mean? It means that. It means that mail order. I saved $80,000 by going for the mail order course in journalism instead of going to some fancy Columbia school of journalism or something. Well, Mike, what do you think? Yeah, the first one. You're going to do that. Whether it's real or Andy, you're going with that one. Got it. Simone? Ah. Not one of the definitions. I agree. Concur. Is that with four As or five? Does anyone else, this might be cheating if it is don't answer, does anyone else recognize the name of the journalist that was referenced in the first answer? All right. No, but that doesn't mean anything. Sure, fair enough. I will go with Technical Dad. No, you know what? I'm going with the first one. I'm going with Mike. Same answer. Go with Mike on the first one. Okay. Forget the spread. Casey? I'm sorry, the first one was which one? A personal day to organize your digital files popularized in a Medium post. Okay, okay. I don't know. I think it's going to be the one where the network is down because I know that like undersea internet cables will get cut accidentally or whatever and then, you know, the internet collapses. And so I'm hopeful that maybe because, you know, a backhoe is like sliced the cabling going into a building or something like that, then everyone gets their backhoe day. And that's what I'm going to go with. All right. And Andy? You know, I was going to go with the clearing of technical debt because I'm not 100% sure it is the actual right answer, but I really love the craftsmanship of the term technical debt and how it was used. And I wanted to reward that. But after Casey talked about the idea of you get an unexpected day off because a backhoe cut through a line, that actually sounds familiar. And if it's not familiar, it sounds like something that would be the obvious. Say, oh, we got a backhoe day. No, it's not as though there was a huge emergency. It was like, no, someone did something stupid and now we don't have any lights and they decided to send us home. I'm going to go with that. High five. All right. Well, let's start with that one then. When employees are sent home because the office network is down, Casey did such a great job selling that that he stole that point that would have gone to his answer if Andy hadn't switched to this answer. I know. It's so true. Good news. That is absolutely the correct answer. It's like a snow day for office workers. Yes. The backhoe cut the line and now we get work. You are welcome, everyone. Thank you, Casey. It's a backhoe day. I'm not lying. That really did totally turn me around. Casey got it. He nailed it. He got it exactly right. Good job, Casey. You're all on fire. Andy fortunate to follow him in that round and able to jump on. If Casey had been first in that round, everybody would have probably jumped on it there because he perfectly parsed it out there. All right. What else did we have? We had the Medium post. Taking a personal day to organize your digital files. Who doesn't love a Medium post? Again, showing that specificity can get you points. Carrie Provenzano for Mike and Simone. Yeah. But you know what? Are we making a soul connection here? Because Carrie picked Simone's answer about laying the groundwork. So we know who you're doing your podcast with. That's excellent. That's it. Problem solved. At least that's solved. Two people who are good at making stuff up. They used the backhoes to clear out the unsolved issues before the release candidate. That was Andy's answer. So Cathy gets a point or gives a point to Andy there. It gives it, yeah. We'll move on to round seven. I'm still in the lead, but Andy is right behind me with 11. Carrie very close behind with nine. Casey has seven, Simone six, Mike four, and Cathy has three. Two more rounds to go. Still a lot of points out there on the board for people. And let's go on to our next word. Our next word is a phrase, actually. Angry garden salad. Angry garden salad. What is the definition for angry garden salad? And what does it have to do with technology? Something. Please send me your definitions for angry garden salad now. All right. All the definitions are in for angry garden salad. I can't wait to see what these are. Angry garden salad. The complaints received when software changes or removes a popular feature. Disgruntled employees when forced to take a meeting outside when a meeting room is double booked. A software project without a project owner that combines a large number of features from multiple teams. A deeply derisive and dismissive term for a horribly written piece of source code and what it looks like to another programmer. When commercial off-the-shelf software is configured wrong and causes a complete system failure. A poorly designed website. And when the project lead asks you to work through lunchtime, causing you to throw out your lunch in futile rage. Futile rage! It's the best kind of rage. Those are the definitions for angry garden salad. And to guess first, we're going to go back up to the top and Kathy. Leading the parade is Kathy. Let's lead the parade outside because our meeting room has been double booked. Now you're just an angry garden salad. Now I'm just an angry garden salad. Mike, what about you? Can you re-read that source code one? A deeply derisive and dismissive term for what a horribly written piece of source code looks like to another programmer. That one feels right. I'll go with that one. You've seen some angry garden salad in your time, haven't you? Simone. What was the one that came right before the source code one? Software project without a project owner that combines a large number of features from multiple teams. Now that's an angry garden salad, am I right? I'm doing it. Casey. I have no clue what the correct answer is. None of us do, Casey. I am deeply lost. We're going to put a brave face on all of this for the past hour and a half. Golly, I am lost. I like, however, and I wish for the correct answer to be not only because I want to score points, but because I think it's great. If you wouldn't mind re-reading it, but whichever one was the one about removing a popular feature, I thought that was very well crafted. The complaints received when software changes or removes a popular feature. You should see the angry garden salad we got today. That one's really good. I really like that one. You guys are spreading it out here, which I guess you're trying to block me. Andy, what do you think it is? I am going to go with the one that ends with throwing your lunch salad in the trash because that's such a beautifully evocative word picture that, again, I might be correct, but I just want to honor whoever made that up, if someone made that up. The feudal rage. I got the angry garden salad today. Bob gave me the angry garden salad again. All right, Carrie, what do you think? I've written three question mark. So, please, could you re-read number three for me, please, because I think I heard something in there I liked. A software project without a project owner that combines a large number of features from multiple teams. Yeah, we'll go with that. All right. Carrie's on that one. Okay, let's start with Casey. Casey thought that angry garden salad was the complaints received when software changes or removes a popular feature. That was Cathy's answer. Nice. You got the point, Casey. Cathy thought that it was disgruntled employees forced to take a meeting outside. That was Carrie's answer. Lots of good, like, little novelettes happening in this one. I really did enjoy this one. I'd read the book. Carrie and Simone thought it was a software project without an owner combining a large number of features from multiple teams. That was Mike's answer. That was a good answer, Mike. Yeah, it was. Mike thought it was a deeply derisive and dismissive term for horribly written source code as viewed from another programmer. That was Andy's answer. Uh-oh. Goodness. Andy thought it was when you throw out your lunch in futile rage because your boss makes you work through lunchtime. That was Simone's answer. Oh, no. Even with the spread? You know, it doesn't really matter who wins. It matters which contestant wins because I, again, have defeated you all. Unbelievable. Angry garden salad is when you click on a bunch of links on a website and they go to the wrong place. It's a poorly designed website. An angry garden salad. Poorly designed website. That's a terrible definition. It really is. I don't like it. No. Yours were all better. Yours were all better. All right. One more round to go. Andy has 12. Carrie has 10. Simone and Casey have 7. Mike, 5. Kathy, 4. I think it's still all to play for. Andy's definitely got a little bit more on the rest of you. We're going to do for our last round something a little bit different. It's one of my favorite rounds from Low Definition hosted by Steve Lutz over on the Incomparable Game Show, which we are using his spreadsheet and his rules. So thank you to Steve for doing that. This is called Goo Complete Me. Yes! In Goo Complete Me, I am going to give you the first few words of a Google search that I made in private browser mode. And you need to tell me what the top ranking auto-completion was. So, for example, if I searched for, why does the Death Star, the answer would be, have a hole. Seriously, that's the answer, why does the Death Star have a hole. Here's what you all need to guess the auto-completion of. Why does the iPad please complete this Google search now? All right, all the definitions are in, or should I say all the auto-completes are in for this Google search. Why does the iPad, again, everybody's trying to guess the number one auto-complete on Google for why does the iPad at my house in a private browser window, you know, it changes over time. But when I recorded this and put it down for posterity. Here are your options. Why does the iPad not have a headphone jack? Why does the iPad not have a keyboard? Why does the iPad have a camera? Why does the iPad not have a calculator? Why does the iPad cost so much? And why does the iPad not rotate my app? Those are your potential answers for why does the iPad and now we will start with Mike. Oh, geez, I'll go with the first one about the headphone jack. All right, Simone. I am going to go with calculator. The James Thompson answer. Why does the iPad not have a calculator? Always with us in spirit. Andy. I think that was a very good very well formed question. Because why. To me, the way I'm breaking this apart is that why is a they're not expecting an actual practical answer to solve a problem that they're having, they're just be funneled and they don't know why this is. So I am torn between the headphone jack or why does it cost so much. I'm going to go with the headphone jack. I think that's the number one answer I think most people would universally think I can buy a whole Chromebook or I could buy a whole Windows notebook for this amount of money. So I'm going to go with what is the iPad cost so much cost so much. All right, Carrie. Yeah, I had similar thinking. I think that's a very generic question that people are going to ask. So I'm also going to go with why does it cost so much. All right, and Kathy. Well, I felt socially obligated to give the James Thompson answer. But since it has been provided by two other lovely hosts on this show. I'm instead going to go for why does my iPad or why does the iPad not rotate my app. Not rotate my app. Good question. Also, also good one because that would be an answer to a question. Right. All right. I didn't think about that. All of the answers are in for our final round. Let's see how it worked out. Mike thought it was why does the iPad not have a headphone jack. Andy almost picked that answer. He agreed it was a very good answer. That's because it was Andy's answer. Well done. Well done. At least 2% of my my weekly rage output is still on my iPad Pro and damn it. It's huge. It has room for it. Kathy thought it was not rotate my app. That was Carrie's handcrafted fake answer. Had to give it more thought. I probably would have picked that one. That was very, very good. Andy and Carrie thought that it was why does the iPad cost so much. And that was Simone's fake answer. Well played Simone. That was good. Thank you. Worthy of a Romulan. Very good. And Simone and Casey both thought it was the James Thompson answer. Why does the iPad not have a calculator? Say it. Say it. And they're right. That was the answer. Why? Why does it not? I'm just happy that it's an exclamation of frustration and anger and not just simply a rational sort of I don't know how to convert a PDF file into this. Yeah, because it's not like how do I get a calculator on my iPad? It's just like for the love of God, why? Why is it so dumb? Google searches sometimes they are. What was the phrase? It's just a feudal rage. It's an outlet for feudal rage. For your angry garden salad. Yep. Well, that brings us to the end. I got the most points, but that doesn't really matter. Andy is our player winner with 13 points. Congratulations, Andy. Simone and Carrie end up tied for second with 11. Nice. Casey had nine. Mike had five. And Kathy, comfy in the back with the pillows with four. But you all did great. Lots of room to spread out. Your definitions were fantastic. This was a lot of fun. So one last time, I want to thank my players, Kathy Campbell, Mike Schmitz, Simone Derochefort, Casey Liz, Andy Anako, and Carrie Provenzano. Thank you for being on Relay FM, host Baldrige, and thank you to Mike and Steven and everybody at Relay and everybody out there who's donating to St. Jude. We appreciate you, too. And that ends this year's Relay FM Game Show on the Podcast-a-thon. Goodbye. Bye. I'm going to do the reveal. Hey. Oh, that's clever. Hello. That's really smart what you've done. What have I done? Nothing. I'm just being pandemic safe, I guess. Oh. Oh! Oh, that's bad. Oh, man. Where's my area? Oh, I don't even think you can see what I'm doing. Hold on. Yeah, Mike, you've got to zoom in, man. We can't see yours. You kind of look like Pirates of the Caribbean guy. What is his name? Let's see. Let's get a good look at that. Wow. Do they make noise? Not really. You look like Jack Sparrow. That's what the studio says. I've realized I need to move my camera because I can't see the screen anymore. Okay. While you do that, what if I go to the board because we're at $439,000. Holy moly. Pretty good, right? We're just under $11,000 away from $450,000. That's true. Can you imagine? I know. I really hope that we have to take new Twitter profile pictures. Okay, Mike, are you ready? Here we go. Yep, here we go. Here we go. Number 12. What is 12? Compliment time. Again. It's hard, you know. Why are you so close to the camera? Because I want the compliment? Wow. You look so eager waiting for love. I want the compliment. Come on, give it to me. It's not a prize. Well, earlier I said you're a quick learner, right? Thank you, Emily, for a $500 donation. Sorry, I got distracted. Also, MPU fanboy, thank you. Okay. Thank you. I have to say that Mike is a very caring individual. He's a very good friend. He's a good listener. And he is a much more empathetic human being. Oh, you're a sweetheart. Thank you very much. Good job. Give it a rest. Stephen said something like that when he gave my best man speech at my wedding. That's true. In fact, I just looked it up in Apple Notes and re-read it, so we're good. I'm just kidding. This is horrible. It's really bad. What are they? I can't really tell. It's horrible. Wow. I think bringing the camera inside here was bad. I'm going to do some terrible things. All right. I'm getting my table ready. Okay. You're going to see if you can sit down again? Spin the wheel again. It's going to be the plan. Okay. I'm going to spin this thing again. Yeah. What I need to do is probably just lean it. That was a good spin. I think that may have been my best spin today. Number seven. That's apparel. Board of apparel. I forgot to put my jacket on. Number three. It's difficult to put the chair down when the... Mike Ponzi. Oh, come on. I just... Do you want to get that together? Why don't you get that together, and I'm going to come here, and I'm going to sit down. Oh, Steven, that beard is so bad, man. It's fine when... But then when I see you from the side, when I walk in... Yeah. Oh. Well, if more people donate, more facial hair will go away. So, thank you. Okay. So, I'm going to sit down here. I'm going to talk for a second. I'm also going to tell Ricky in the control room that the monitor with the fundraising has died. So, maybe check into... Look into that. I don't know what happened there. It's fine for me. I see that Carrie Provenzano, who is just out of Boulderdash. Is that 500? Hey, thank you, Carrie. Thank you. I think I'll have to do some more hula hooping in a minute. Okay. Well, Mike gets that together. I want to talk a little bit about what we're doing, if that works for everybody. We are raising money for St. Jude Children's Research Hospital. They have a life-saving mission of finding cures and saving children. So, what does that actually mean? You know, those are fancy words. You could see them on the side of a building, but what does it actually mean? Well, it means that St. Jude is leading the way, that the world understands, treats, and defeats childhood cancer and other life-threatening diseases. And they can't do that without the help of people like me and you. Because of generous donors, families never receive a bill for St. Jude. What that means is that treatment, travel, and food are all covered by the donations that we are making here today. All a family should have to worry about in this season is helping their child pull through this. And for a little bit of context, and this is really cool given how much we've been able to raise this year, the average cost to treat just one child with acute lymphoblastic leukemia, which is the most common form of childhood cancer, is $203,000. And so, this year, the RelayFM family has paid, more than paid, for two children to go through that treatment. And it's amazing to me. It really does blow me away. Because when you meet these kids and you see their pictures and video, it is just an incredible thing. To make this possible, 80% of the funds necessary to sustain and grow St. Jude must be raised each year from generous donors. So please go to stjude.org and donate today. We are on our way to half a million dollars. We are currently at $441,000. Thank you all so much for that. Got a round of applause going. It's been such an amazing campaign this year, and we're excited to keep going. We have many more hours of the Podcastathon to go, and of course, we'll be doing this all throughout the month of September. So, Mike, maybe we could check in on London and see how Mike is doing with the... Oh! That's just... so bad. Hello, Howard J. Skellington here. Yes. Has this ever happened to you? I'm a Skellington lawyer. Are you? So, character here. Skellington lawyer, Howard J. Skellington. Okay. I don't know if that was the name I used earlier. That's a situation to sit down in. Yeah, I think you need some more balloons in there. I think we probably do. Idina's very excited. She has been very diligently, every time there's... when I'm not on it, she's been... I think we have gone through all of our original... balloons in here now, maybe? Mm-hmm. There's 500... this is going to be 550? Wow. This is going to be 550 balloons. Just remember, a balloon for every $100. Here it comes! There it goes! Oh, my gosh! I'm going to... while you're doing that, I'm going to get some more Lego to put in my computer over here. I love it. I mean, plastic building blocks. Plastic building blocks to put into your electronic communications system. I'm going to do some... what they call some Foley work. Plastic building blocks. Oh. Oh, that was... that was disgusting! That wasn't good! I think there was a screen from the top. That's the opposite of ASMR. Okay, let's see here. See this? It's like having my own cooking show, you know? Is it? Put them in there. Ooh, it looks nice! Which color iMac is it? Say what? Which color iMac? It's graphite. It was graphite. You can hear them. Isn't that good? Do a little bit more. Oh, yeah. There we go. I have no idea how I'm going to get this home safely. I've just realized that, that I have to take it home. I guess I don't have to take it home. Don't have to take it home. It's making somebody else's problem. It's like that ball pit we got. It's just hanging around over there. Yeah, Jill, can you take this home? Yeah, the ball pit from the first Podcastathon is still floating around. I saw it a couple years ago. So, Mike. Mike, how are you doing? Oh, that's fun. You doing okay? Yeah, I'm doing pretty good, actually. How long have we been going for now? Four? Six days. How long? It's like, wait, nearly five hours? Yes, coming up on five hours. All right, so usually we would be starting our final hour now. Yes. But not this year. Not this year. We have three more hours, and we're at $441,575. So, let's just keep that given up. We're $8,425 away from $450,000. At $450,000, Stephen removes more hair from his face. I add more of, I guess, these things to mine. Imagine what I'm going to look like, face full of these things. But really, what you want to see is that what is next for you? Goatee. Is it Goatee Heisenberg? Yes. That's what we're going to call it. It sounds better than Goatee. Why don't you spin the wheel? Okay. We got a lot of things we can do from the wheel spinning. Put a lot of work into that as a custom wheel, you know? Here it goes. Oh, my microphone stand just broke. So janky. Number one. Bullet of peril. I have the list in front of me now. Oh, good. Number nine. Mike, what's number nine? Update profile pics. Woo! All right. Hold on. Here we go. Okay. Let's edit profile. I need a better background this time. Hang on. I got an idea. But I have to sit the mic down. Okay. I'm going to go ahead and do that. I need a better background this time. Hang on. 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I apologize for the silence. But real art takes focus. And then Mike will be back with a special friend. **Sounds of a drill** Number 9. I was hoping for 10 again. Board of Peril. **Sounds of a balloon popping** Oh, it's not on a balloon. Number 1. Building brick. I'll tell you what, Stephen. While you get ready for that, I'll bean boozle. Okay. Why don't you bean boozle. Spinning, spinning. Oh, I just dropped a bunch of them. Oh no. I just dropped something. But it's going to be peach. Maybe. Hey. 3 for 3 on peach. No bar. A lot. I think you have to eat all of them that you drop. But all in one handful. Look at where I am situated. Do you think I can find them? No. Okay, are you ready? Oh, it's not any better. Please donate. At StJew.org. Slash Relay. Oh. A harp. Get out of here. Okay, that's done. It's terrible. Mike is still looking for his beans. Oh, I found another one. Should I just eat it? Okay, so we're going to be right back. We're going to show a video about the life-saving work of St. Jude. And then Mike will be joined by a guest. Let's roll into that. Stela, definitely a fiery one. Very strong little child. And she never lost her spunk. She had a very strong personality from the get-go. Very independent. She was my first star. And then to hear her sing, I was like, I'm going to be a star. And then to hear that your child has a rare type of cancer, it can be really, really, really scary. It takes you to a really dark place. This was all around Thanksgiving. Stela was only four years old. She wasn't feeling too good. So my wife wanted to get her checked out. We then ended up a couple days later at the hematologist signing so many scary forms. And the one paper said, if we can just get an extra 5 mL, we'd like to send the sample down to St. Jude. December 16th, we received a phone call from the hematologist. That little sample that they sent down to St. Jude showed that she had AMLM7, which was a really rare type of leukemia. Pretty much, it's devastating. It's devastating to hear and very, very gut-wrenching. It was just like your whole world was torn upside down and all the life and happiness and joy was shaken out of you. I wasn't sure how we were going to get through this or how she was going to survive through this. But as soon as we ended up on those front steps at St. Jude, we were ready to fight this. It's on. This is a big one. You ready? Okay. Let's go. She had two rounds of chemo. I won. She went through a bone marrow transplant. So we were there on the transplant floor for a month. There were some ups and downs as far as not feeling well. This is my belly. We put tattoos on the head. We never received one bill from St. Jude. So the main thing that we focused on was being there for her. And every day was special. You can't imagine your child having to fight for their life. I wasn't sure if we were going to have Stella. So we spent every minute having as much fun as we possibly could just in case she wasn't going to be around. One, two, three. Yay! But she is now eight years old and doing great. Playing like a normal child. Nobody would even have known that she had gone through what she'd done four years ago. She's happy for every day that she has here and really taking advantage of every moment on her second chance. My name is Stella. I go to school now and I also want to be a teacher. I know that I have a St. Jude story because they helped me with cancer. They saved my life. She's doing fantastic. She is succeeding. She loves to read. She loves the color. There's never a dull day with Stella. So she's doing great. As a parent, we need a cure for cancer. Our children need a cure for childhood cancer. And St. Jude won't stop. So hopefully one day, with Stella's diagnosis, the next children would be able to get better quicker and the survivor weight will just keep increasing until AMLM7 is not even existing or any cancer. St. Jude is hope. St. Jude is family. The people that donate to St. Jude, they mean everything. It's very heartwarming to know that there's that many caring people out there and I can't express how thankful I am for all the compassion that people have for St. Jude. Hello, welcome back to the RelayFM podcast with Arm for St. Jude. I am Howard J. Skellington and I'm here to introduce my friend and yours, Federico Vatici. Ciao Federico! Federico, I just want to say thank you for being here. I know you've been through a lot. Federico, I do hear you. There he is! Hello my friend, how are you? I am doing fantastic. I see you are doing well. It seems like... I mean... It seems to be happening over here. That's a look. Okay. So Federico, I know you're an incredibly busy man right now so I appreciate you taking the time to join us. Of course! I believe you will be publishing your iOS review on Monday. Is that correct? That is correct, yes. It's been what? Three months in the making? Three months, yes. I started writing it essentially the week after WWDC. And yeah, I've been working on that ever since. It's shorter than previous years but it's still a 50,000 word story. So technically it's shorter than before but it's still quite a bit of work. I finished my screenshots, hundreds of them, and I'm on lock for Monday at the moment. So I'm just putting the finishing touches on the story. But it's complicated because it's two operating systems, both iOS and iPadOS, in one story. And now that Apple is doing so many things, they have so many system apps. It used to be easier years ago. Now it's a complicated task to try and understand how can you put it off in a single story that doesn't destroy your life in the summer but that is also an enjoyable thing to read. Obviously I speak to you a lot and it does seem like this year has been much more manageable for you. Does that mean... Hmm. Were you better prepared or is iOS 15 boring? That's a good question. Well, I feel like... I feel like I have a better setup than in previous... So I think it's a bunch of things. I think there's some... Part of my reality this summer was the necessity to try and do things differently. Because in addition to my review I also worked on the major relaunch of the club. And so with Club Max Stories and all the different things that we have launched I knew that I would have less time than in previous years. So that was that reality. There's also the fact that I've been doing this every year since iOS 9 So this is my sixth review, I think. And so over time thankfully, with experience I've sort of progressively started to know myself. It took me a while to figure that out. But there's also that part. There's the technical aspect of it, which is I feel like more than ever the setup that I had for producing this kind of story this summer has been so much better than in previous years. And, you know, having a tool... This is essentially like a novel, right? And, you know, having a tool... This is essentially like a novel, right? Imagine that instead of characters I have apps and features. And there are like common themes and threads and, if you will, plot lines sort of storylines that you have to pull together throughout this massive story. And so having a tool that lets you do that easily that was very helpful. And lastly, to your point, yes, iOS 15 and this is also like the theme of my review, iOS 15 is not a massive update. I mean, there's a bunch of... There's a lot of things, for sure. There's a lot of features. There's a lot of changes to apps, but it's more of a sort of quality of life improvements throughout the OS. And that made it easier, you know. I didn't have... Yes, iPad multitasking, there's a new menu but it's still the same split view, it's still the same slide open. I didn't have dark mode, which is brand new. I didn't have drag and drop like in iOS 11, and that was brand new. I didn't have the widgets like last year and those were brand new last year. So it felt easier because of what iOS 15 is. Yes, so it was a combination of things. You mentioned iOS 9. Was that the one with share extensions? No, that was iOS 8. Huh. So you said you... What did you do around iOS 8? Did you not have a review? Well, so with iOS 8 I did... That was last year. That I did sort of like a personal story that was not labeled a review. Technically, it was a review. I believe I did a story called Living with iOS 8 or something silly. I consider that one like my most Federico review because I read that on a beach in Palermo in Sicily. Really? On Kindle, yeah. And I have vivid memories of reading it. And I'm pretty sure it was the share extensions year. I don't know which one it was, but yeah, I remember I was on vacation really. Nice. Yeah, that was iOS 8 if you remember share extensions. That was iOS 8. I think I noticed the same time as the iPhone 6 because that was also when upgrade launched when I was on vacation. Because it was 2014. So 6S maybe? I think it's 6N. And I started doing this officially with iOS 9 in 2015. So this is six years that I've been doing this every summer. And it's always a struggle to try and balance also because I tend to have a very Italian summer, you know, like going to the beach and spending a lot of time at the beach. So it's always a struggle to balance this big responsibility, this big project that I have that a lot of people thankfully expect. But I'm very happy this year because I was able to hit day one of iOS 15. Last year with iOS 14 I was late by a month. Exactly. Like it took me an extra month. I don't remember it being that long. To me it was a week. No. Do you think that iOS 15 is actually Apple's pandemic release? Oh yeah. Yes. You actually hit on one of my final sentences in the conclusion of the story, which is I think we're seeing the pandemic release with a one year delay. You would have thought that last year's iOS 14 was the pandemic release. But I actually feel like it's this one. Because the way that Apple puts together these updates, you know, they start I don't want to say a year in advance, but it's basically that sort of timeline. And I think more than ever we're seeing now the effect of being in the first lockdowns and adjusting to work from home last year. And I think we're seeing the effects now. I don't know what that says about Apple and their sort of monolithic ... And I say that because it would have been nice to see the new FaceTime app last year instead of in 2021. Instead of fall 2021. It would have been nice to get SharePlay, you know, last year when we were in lockdown. But I also understand that Apple likes to do things a certain way. But yes, I think, you know, you see it in FaceTime and you see it in other features like the integration with Zoom and WebEx meetings in the calendar, right? All these little things. They seem to suggest to me that this is indeed like the pandemic release we're getting now. I didn't know that about the integrations. Is it kind of like how fantastic ... It's basically like that. It pulls out the little icon for the meeting that you have in your calendar event window and it shows you a join button and you can click that. It's actually very nice. But yeah, it's pretty common practice. You said a minute ago about that you have a bunch of people that wait on the story. They have an expectation for the review. Obviously it's a great feeling to have people that want something. Does it add pressure for you? Yeah. Or, also, would you put the same amount of pressure on yourself even if you had a tenth of the people read it? Does it make you of how you are different that you have a large audience to read it or would you always be particular? That's a very good question. I feel like at this point in my life it's impossible to answer because it's impossible to separate the two things. But what I remember is that when I was getting started with Mac Stories ten years ago, I've always been putting a lot of pressure on myself because I've always been a perfectionist with my things. I've always, honestly, I've always overworked myself and I'm not proud of it. It's something that I'm still learning how to balance better. Especially since I'm growing older and I have other responsibilities at home. I'm still sort of learning my way around that. But I feel like I've always been this way even when I was in school. For example, I always needed to be perfect in all my things. But with an audience that becomes a much bigger problem. Because if you tend to have that thing about yourself where you just cannot accept being wrong or in my case having a typo, for example, or having the wrong screenshot, or not covering a specific detail. If you have that trait already and you add an audience to that as an ingredient, that just becomes a lot worse. It's like gasoline on a fire. Yes, it's exactly that. And now I feel like it's not just about me being a perfectionist because these reviews, I actually use them myself, like years later to try and reference, you know, oh, when was it that Apple rolled out this feature? And I find it in my reviews. So it's not just me but also there's other, now there's also people checking out the review and expecting the review. And I remember the pressure of last year when iOS 14 came out and I wasn't ready for the first time. And there were people on launch day saying, oh, where's the VT review? And I don't know, it just kind of, you know, it wasn't, it was not a good feeling. An audience makes it better but it also makes it worse because now I feel like I cannot let people down. Yeah. That's a question that's part of you, right? Like, it's not... I know what you're saying and I'm not trying to correct you but it's the audience isn't the issue, you're the issue, but there's... And I feel I have the same kind of stuff, right? I have the same exact same kind of things. And it is like when we were... old men... When we were 10 years younger that is an easier trait to have because we had more energy and less response. And as you... Yeah, and it becomes a constant balancing act. I'm sure many people watching can... Man, I was expecting to talk to you about notifications so I don't know. I'm sorry that I've gone into this. This is so much better. I do want to ask before I let you go. If there is one thing that you would suggest for people to look out for in iOS. Obviously I don't want you to spoil the good parts of your review, but what is maybe one of the things that you have been most surprised about? About your enjoyment of it or your usage of it that maybe you wouldn't have necessarily expected? Or it could be in the inverse, something you thought you really were going to get a lot of but actually you haven't much out of. What really surprised me and what I think I would recommend people check out is not just the new focus system which would be the new Do Not Disturb, but really looking into focus and setting up automations for that and setting up custom home screens. That's one of the things that you can do with focus if you really go down the rabbit hole of checking out all the settings and all the options because now you can try and think of your iPhone and your iPad, if you will, as being able to adapt to different parts of your day. Right? And so something that I've started doing is I have a music focus and now my phone just shows me stuff for music or I have a gaming focus and it shows me just games and Apple Arcade and a bunch of things like that. So I would recommend... I think one of my favorites is Matt Bischoff posted a travel focus and it changed their home screen to have like flight widget like travel app. I was like oh that's so smart, like that's something I know I'm going to steal and set up myself. I thought that was like a perfect use case where it's like you need things at your fingertips that you need so infrequently otherwise. So I thought that that was really cool. Yeah, I've been in... I've been liking setting them up, but I still have a lot deeper to go. Federico, obviously the best place to get the information about this is in your iOS and iPadOS 15 review, which is coming on Monday at maxstories.net, right? Yes, sir. That's correct. On Monday afternoon at some point. I love you. I love you my friend. PrinceFlexy everyone. Thank you for joining us. Thank you. Go donate. Thank you guys. Bye Federico. Have fun. Good night. Alright. We're back. Hello. It's me. Hello, it's me. I left this on the whole time. I figured we could maybe now... are we going back to... oh, have you done more shaving? Or we haven't hit that yet. How far are we away from shaving? We are about $4,500 away from the next shaving. We're going to do that at $450,000. So please save me from myself. sanddrew.org. I'm going to try and take this onesie off now. Do you want to... Are you going to do some wheel spins? What are you going to do? I think I'll do a wheel spin. We do have a $500 donation, I think. I think Tim deserves a wheel spin. Okay, are you going to wheel spin? You're not going to hula hoop? Come on. Do a hula while I take this off because he's going to take me ages. Come on, go do your hula. If I take all this time, take this thing off, and then it comes back on again... ... Is this what you thought you were going to see today when you decided to tune in? ... All right, here he goes. Get it, Stephen. ... That was bad. ... Did something terrible happen? Did something bad happen? ... Okay, here we go. ... No. I lost it. ... All right, let's do a wheel spin, and then I'll leave a bean. ... Hula hoops are silly anyways. ... All right, you ready, Mike? ... I don't know what's happening to Mike, but we're going to spin this. ... Number 12. ... I give Mike another compliment. ... Let's go to 16! ... Yeah, Mike's busy, so we landed on 16 here. ... I keep talking as if you can hear me. I can't hear you. No. I have a bean. It's a juicy pear one, or a booger one. ... Pear. That's good. I'm going to pick an apple history date. Oh, fantastic. ... June 18th, 2007, Apple announced the iPhone to ship with glass display instead of plastic. That's a good one. Which iPhone was that? The original. Oh, what? Was it originally going to be a plastic display? Uh-huh. And then on June 18th, they announced it was going to be glass. Very last minute. I guess this is the stuff that I'll find out when I get your calendar. Yeah, I should ship them. You should ship them, yeah. I got an email from the printer today. They're almost done. And I thought, I cannot worry about that today. That's good news, though. It is great news. You want to do one more? Yeah. ... Thank you.org slash relay. That's where you can go and donate. There's so much stuff happening. We're at $446,000 right now. Stephen, what number are we at? Twelve. Compliment time. ... Mike's pretty funny. Thank you. You're welcome. ... Oh, man. ... I enjoyed your talk with Federico. Oh, thank you. I basically used none of the notes that I prepared. ... I guess that's always the best kind of conversations, though, really. I was in the control room. I was like, oh, it's like, therapy with a skeleton. Yeah. Well, I guess maybe Henry J. Skellington is actually a therapist, a lawyer. Or he's just multi-trained. I mean, he's lived multiple lives. You can't put him in a box. Wait. Someone tried to, and then he got out. Someone tried to. Yeah. No one can keep him in. That's right. Emma, thank you. Your uncle, thank you. Your name is very confusing. Justin M. John, if you guys want to join, stjude.org.com, join in this fundraising effort to support the life-saving work of St. Jude. So, as we said before, we're going to be raising money all the way out throughout September. Something that we're going to do, I guess we should pick a number for it, is there is a second Boulder Dash episode coming up. A Boulder Dash episode with a whole fresh set of people. So what should we say? Maybe pick a number when we reach that number? Let's do 475. Great. So once we reach 475, that will become unlocked, and it will be published on the RelayFM YouTube channel shortly after. Hopefully it will happen today. We'll get it done in the next couple of days. So can we get a reminder? Two days of phone case usage, right? Yes. Two days of Android use? I think so. Two TikToks. Two TikToks, and I think you have $160 in matching donations. Yes. Very good. This has been great for me so far. I just had it confirmed in my ear that they were correct. Yeah, I feel like this is a little uneven, to be honest. Well, you get to spin the wheel. I would love to spin the wheel. That's true. You got to be in the room when Rick destroyed the PC Junior. Well, let's see. Maybe you can spin the wheel through me. Let's see if we can make this happen. Oh, okay. Am I going to possess you? Do I need to dress up as Henry J. Strayhorn again? Okay. Paranormal. Tell me where to put my hand. Uh... Four. Four? Down here? And push it away from me, or pull it towards me? Push it away from you. How? How strongly? As strong as you can. In three, two, one. Ah! Ha ha ha ha ha ha. That went about as I expected. Of course. You're not getting another compliment. Let's try that again. It's on that one. Which one? The crew wants you to give me a compliment, but that's on the Board of Peril. Yeah, but the reason for this, by the way, in case you wonder why one isn't a good one and one isn't a bad one, I love compliments, Stephen hates them. So this is a good thing for me, a bad thing for him, so it couldn't be. Let's do another spin. Number two. Go backwards. So back towards me? Yeah, in three, two, one. Oh, that was a good one. Number two. I have to do a donation match. See, it worked. I will match $100. The next $100 donated, I will match it. That sounds good to me. I feel like we should get you on the Board of Peril, too. Let's say that we had rolled a three. You can see what I do over here. Okay. So you tell me where you want it. Sort of in the center now. Should I move to the right or left? Right. How far? Stop. Right here? That sounds good. Number nine. Update profile pics. Was that nine? Profile pic time. We do that one a lot. I feel like it's a little graphic. It's also a good one, right? Yeah, it's good. Not like those TikTok challenges. Yeah. I'm going to do one from up high. That's a good idea. There we go. This beard is so good. $446,000. I'm going to be rushing towards $450,000 where I get to shave some more. There we go. That's done. So, Mike, coming up, we have an interview that you did. Oh, wait. Hang on. I'm going to go back to the chat. Mike! Mike's gone. Don't worry about me. Adina, can you hear me? Go save Mike. Here he comes. I took a good picture. I'm up. I'm up. Don't worry. I'm up. Do we have my interview now? Yeah, we do. We're going to do a quick one. Do we have my interview now? Yeah, tell us a little bit about this because I think it's really interesting. Yeah, I spoke about this a little bit earlier on. I got to talk to Dr. Jamie Ferlaghi who works at St. Jude and is a doctor and researcher. They have an interesting job where they're kind of split between research and patient care. One of the central themes of this conversation is around how do we share research and look at treatment for cancers that we can successfully treat. What is it like for somebody after their time of having gone through cancer as a child and what comes next for them. It was really interesting, as I mentioned, because this was a very different type of conversation to the one we usually tend to have with some of the people that work at St. Jude where it's very much focused on how do we cure, how do we cure, we need to learn more. This is like, well, what can we learn afterwards? If we've got that to play now, that would be really great and we'll be back afterwards after this really interesting conversation with Dr. Jamie Ferlaghi. Dr. Ferlaghi, thank you so much for joining us. For our audience, could you please share a little bit about what your title is and what does an average day look like for you at St. Jude? What are you working on? Absolutely. Thank you so much first for having me. It's my absolute pleasure. My title is I'm a doctor here at St. Jude. My specific title is that I'm an assistant member, which means I'm part of our faculty or our core doctors here treating patients. I work with our Leukemia Lymphoma Division. My focus here is that I see patients primarily with lymphoma, which is a cancer of the lymph nodes. That's what I do and what I research. My typical day has no typical aspect to it, except that I come to work every day and get lots done. In the morning, I usually focus on patients, see who needs what and what needs to be done and start there as it's always a priority. Then it hits research and meetings and how do we do what we do better and to the best we can. I do a lot of coordination and working with other groups. A lot of my day has Zoom at this phase of life and a lot of online meetings to see how we're doing at other places and to bring together research from many different aspects of the world. One of the things I love is that a lot of my day involves people in other time zones at all sorts of times during the day because we can literally from here collaborate with the world. It's part of what I love with my job is that lymphoma is a little bit more rare. My day changes day to day because as we work together with the world, we learn something new and then what we thought we were going to work on tomorrow, totally different. I see patients and I do research and it's mixed every day and I love my job. That's super interesting that you have that mix. I think some of the people that we've spoken to in previous years, they seem to fall on one side or the other. They're either patient focused or research focused and I can imagine that that provides something a little bit different that you're actually able to put people and their faces and the work together. It must be really interesting. It's super interesting but it's also really powerful and motivating for me because my research I feel very honored that it gets to be revolving around patients which we usually term as clinical research. I'm literally studying patients to figure out as I treat them how we can do it better tomorrow. It merges the two really nice and it's just something that I'm really proud of because as we sit with patients and we learn from them even when they go through hard things, I can promise them that when I go upstairs back to my office, I'm figuring out how we can do this better. What is the focus of your work right now? Are you able to explain to our audience what the things are that you're most focused on? Yes. I am lucky. The disease that I get to treat is Hodgkin lymphoma. What that means is the cancer of the lymph nodes it happens for really no good reason and if we get those cells to go away, it stays away. The really interesting thing is that unlike a lot of types of cancer, we've actually been able to cure Hodgkin lymphoma for years. A lot of the focus at St. Jude and around the world is on things that we can't cure or treat and how do we figure that out. Hodgkin is the reverse. We've been able to cure it for years but the problem is that the cure comes with lots of side effects. The first cure for Hodgkin was radiation and you can actually just radiate people and it will cure them but there are a lot of side effects so people die early in life. Sure you achieve the cure but they're not living out healthy lives after. Every time my research and what we're doing for Hodgkin is to try to cure them but with less to do it better. It's a very different focus which is fun because every time we're hitting the next phase of treatment for Hodgkin, it's actually trying to get the same outcome or cure but by giving them either less chemo or less of something that's toxic to their body so that not only do they live but they live and carry on great lives. So it's really different than a lot of types of cancer that we treat. Oh definitely. I mean, I guess that makes it kind of interesting because you're living in the future in a way right? Like the goal, the plan, the work that everybody's so focused on at St. Jude is to get to this level for all cancers. So I guess it's super interesting to think that the work that you're doing is, alright so we hit that point that like such high lofty goal has been hit for this type of cancer but that work doesn't stop because then there are more efficient, better, healthier, gentler ways to make this better for people, right? Absolutely. And that's a silver lining and shining star that we have at St. Jude is our survivorship program. So you know a lot of emphasis back when we couldn't cure patients it was okay how do we cure them? But now that we've cured them and there are more drugs coming out every day to let us do it better, what are those side effects later on? Okay so maybe it worked in the short term but if it's creating lots of heart problems later on and people are dying early well that's not a full win. And our survivorship program is second to none at St. Jude and it's one of the reasons that I work here is we have had Hodgkin patients who are living in her as survivors that literally they've studied for their life. So in the St. Jude Life program they follow the patients that we treat forever so we know what happens to them not just on paper but literally we've done the tests and we know. So our survivorship program lets us inform our changes based off what they see truly years later and there is nothing like it in the rest of the world and I'm so proud of our survivorship group because it really informs what we do. What was it that brought you to St. Jude? How did you find out about St. Jude? What was it that made you want to be a part of this work? So obviously lots of people know about St. Jude because of its wonderful reputation for being a leader in catastrophic illnesses and most importantly cancer. For me I came to St. Jude because I actually have a love of international work in international oncology. So at the time that I first started here we didn't have the global department of pediatric medicine that it is now. It's expanded immensely since my time. But we still had an international outreach program and I came to join them during my training time as a fellow here in hematology oncology. So I spent every other month for the month in Guatemala City. I flew back and forth and lived in two places because we have an amazing site there. They're exemplary. They do incredible work. And so I was actually going there to learn from them not to bring them knowledge but to learn how they're doing it so well. How we can emulate that. How we can teach others how to do that. And so it was really fulfilling for me. So I came to do international work and that's actually how I fell into Hodgkin. So Hodgkin's not just easy to cure it's easy to cure anywhere. So these patients don't actually need to be dying no matter if they're in the middle of Africa or if they're here in St. Jude. And so because of the international applicability, sort of like I was mentioning we're on calls with all sorts of people all the time, we can help cure Hodgkin anywhere. And so it's been really fun to be able to share our knowledge to help the lives of people everywhere. Some cancers are really hard to treat in low and middle income settings. Hodgkin is not one of them. I think that these kinds of stories I think help really resonate. We have a global audience and it's so interesting that St. Jude by and large appears to just be in one place. It's one hospital in one place. But I think it really helps people understand if you live in Scotland, you can donate to St. Jude because one day you or someone you love may benefit from the research that happens there because it's so widely shared. And it's such an incredible thing that is I think quite rare in this type of medicine. And it's what makes St. Jude I think such a beacon. And we didn't talk about this in my typical day, but one other thing that all of us do all the time and it's a huge part of my week is consults. So a lot of times we are able to share the knowledge that we have, not just by bringing a patient here. Often I don't need them. And in a digital era, I can look at their pictures, I can look at their labs. I actually don't need the patient in front of me to be able to provide the same level of care I can to a patient here. So we do consults all over the world all the time and we're able to share our knowledge, help educate, help train and help treat patients literally from St. Jude or here in Memphis, anywhere in the world. And we do that every day. You know, we have, our audience has a keen love of technology that's kind of the main focus of a lot of our content. And it sounds like technology plays a really big part in your role. And you mentioned it earlier that like in these current times you find yourself relying on it more. Is that helpful for the type of work that you do that you have them digitally? Does it help you see more patients that way? It does. It is helpful in the technology era that we can readily share things. For instance, for Hodgkin, it's all about what the pictures look like. The pictures being of their body and of the disease and what it looks like during treatment and after. So it's really important that we can freely share those because you can't put anything in words that helps you see enough, understand what the response looks like to give you feedback. But if you can show me the picture, that is everything. So technology has connected us and allowed us to actually treat patients adequately and help consult on patients no matter where they are. We even do that within the US. So I run our Stanford St. Jude Dana-Farber Consortia with a bunch of sites. But primarily with those groups, we run our own clinical trials that I lead. And we, even just here, meet with patients. This is not just helping other countries and helping other places. There are a lot of tricky questions that are really important on an individual patient level to know whether or not that patient needs radiation, to figure out how they responded. It's not all black and white. And even people who have been doing it a long time, we need each other and lean on. So we have a meeting every week with all of us together just to help talk about cases and look at them. So technology helps not just in America, but also within the US, because it really does take a village. So when a patient is straightforward, that's great. And they follow the cookbook. They read the textbook. They do exactly what they were supposed to. But that's not a lot of patients. And so when they deviate from that, when it doesn't go as planned, the question is, what do you do next to make sure you cure them, but maximize benefit and all the things? Those are hard questions. And so technology actually connects for all patients. I assume that you've probably been a part of or been around or involved with many other pediatric cancer research facilities and care facilities. What makes St. Jude different? I was thinking about this question in preparation for today. It's that this place shines. And if I could impart one thing to people, I wish almost like I can't convey the pictures and PET scans in words, you can't convey what it's like to be here and work here until you walked in the door. People sort of joke about Disney, that this is the Disney of cancer. It is. Why? Because people understand that every patient and family who's here is going through a really challenging time. And it doesn't matter if you're in the coffee line, at Starbucks. No matter where you are, people care, how are you today? And they're not just asking how are you because it's the thing you do when you pass somebody. They're asking, how are you? How are you as a person? How's your kid? How's it going? You look tired. How was your night? And so it's just this whole sense that every single person who's here is dedicated to the mission. We are trying to help no child die in the dawn of life, no matter what they have. And that if you are helping to clean the floor, if you are helping to give them chemo, if you are helping to order that, if you're leading the whole thing, all of us are equally as important. And everybody feels dedicated to the mission. And it's not something you can totally put into words until you walk in the door and you're like, oh, got it. It literally is glittery and sparkly and beautiful and calm and hopeful. And that's something that you can only get by walking in the door. And so I wish that for everybody. But it really is a unique and special place that tries and is able to help thanks to donors and people who give tons of support to be able to do every single thing possible we can to help people's journey be the best it can in the middle of a really challenging time. I've had the chance to visit St. Jude twice. So I've been to St. Jude twice. I've been to St. Jude twice. I've been to St. Jude twice. And I could not agree more with what you're saying. It doesn't feel like a hospital. And it's a place No. And it's a place where I think your natural assumption would be that it's a place of sadness or a place of pain. And that, of course, exists in the building. But it feels like a place of sadness. And it's a place of pain. And it's a place of sadness. And it's a place of pain. And it's a place of sadness. And it's a place of pain. And it's a place of sadness. And it's a place of pain. And it's a place of sadness. And it's a place of pain. And it's a place of sadness. And it's a place of pain. And it's a place of sadness. And it's a place of pain. And it's a place of sadness. And it's a place of pain. And it's a place of sadness. And it's a place of pain. And it's a place of sadness. And it's a place of pain. And I even knew what he meant. And we went outside. And there's a circle when you first drive in, in the main entrance, that usually has flowers. And so it was covered with snow. We made the biggest snowman. And every patient came by and took their pictures. And so what that showed for me, from the people who are leading the clinical trials, to the people at the bedside, the focus is on the patient. That day could not have been more fun. In the middle of a total disaster. And I'm not even going to say a total disaster in Memphis, with shut down roads and all the things. For every patient, they felt none of that. We went outside. We made it fun. We made it a special time that nobody will forget. I will never forget that day. And my boss, who really probably could have been in his office that day, working on immense amounts of projects and things, recognized, you know what? Today that all goes on pause. And I think that level just shows you that all levels at St. Jude are committed to the same thing. At the end of the day, there are patients going through cancer treatment here at St. Jude. How do we make it the best it can be? And literally, everyone does it. And this picture I leave in my office, because it just makes me smile. Dr. Falagi, thank you so much. You are a great ambassador, I think, for St. Jude. And I thank you for the work that you do, and also for spending some time with us today so we could tell our listeners and our viewers, give them a bit more of a glimpse about some of the stuff that goes on. So thank you so much. You're so welcome. Thank you, and I really appreciate all of your efforts. I promise we'll put every dollar to good work. Thank you. And we are back. Hello, Mike. Hello. I really enjoyed that interview. Good job. Thank you very much. It was very different. And Dr. Falagi has the best glasses I've ever seen anybody wear. That's true. Very good. It was so cool. The big glasses goals for me. So, Mike, now we're going to play a little bit of a game. And it's a game that I... I've never won? I don't think. Historically, you have performed very poorly at. Yes. So it is time for another installment of RelayFM Co-Founder Trivia. It's going to be hosted by our community manager, Kathy Campbell. And it's going to pit our knowledge of the company against each other. So we're going to see what happens. Hi, guys. Are you ready? Is this the third installment of Co-Founder Trivia? At least. Is it? We did it in San Francisco. And then we did it in the podcast-a-thon. I feel like there's another one somewhere in there. I don't think so. Maybe I'm wrong about that, too. We'll make it up as we go along. I'm sure one of you is correct. Or one of you is wrong. I don't know. But this one is going to be the best one because it's the one we're doing today. OK. So the question isn't how many rounds of Co-Founder Trivia have there been? That is correct because I did not research it. However, we have so many great, amazing questions. I reached out to our absolutely incredible Discord community. They submitted questions. So there's going to be some that are a little bit off the wall. And they all have been kind of double-checked thanks to the community in the Discord. So I brought in all of the community for this moment in time. So gentlemen, start your whiteboards. Let's begin. Very first question. How many active shows are on RelayFM? OK. I've got my number. I don't know if it's right or not, but I got it. You got the answer. That's good. What are the rules? Like, is it closest? It's whatever I decide based on your answers. Wow. I like that. All right. Show me. 23. 26. Both of you are under. There are currently 30 shows listed on the website under active. So I guess Steven gets a point because he's the closest. Yeah. Well, yes. Yeah. Closest wins. Yes. Yes. Unless it doesn't win. And we'll see. But next question is from Matt Van Vormer, and he's asking as of the birthday, August 18th, how many total minutes of podcast audio is currently hosted on the RelayFM master feed? Minutes sucks, by the way. Yes, it does. Would you like days to give us 6500 days? Because I can ask that, too. I have that count. Do you want to ask how many days? No. I want to do. We'll do minutes. I feel like this is really a game of just getting closer than the other person. There's a good range of numbers you got to choose from. I mean, it's like, do you do? How many zeros is the beginning part? What kind of audio? What kind of bracket do you want? Minutes, right? Correct. Minute. That doesn't sound right. I wrote down a number, I was like, that can't be true. I got a number. What is it? Seven. Right. Uh. Man, this pen has got a real strong odor. Yeah, so does this one. All right. You ready? All right. Show it. 985,000. What's that again? Wow. Stephen is actually really close. This is Stephen's year, apparently. So far. Yes, so far. Two questions down. The active number of minutes of podcast audio is 379,785 minutes and eight seconds. As of August 18th. You did. Math messed me up. It's okay. How about we do another math question then? That would be great. I lost the ball. Oh no. Good. Okay, good. So, the question, how many minutes of podcasts hosted by Mike are on the RelayFM Master Feed? So, just to help clarify the number, Mike, I know this can be an issue. It's going to be less minutes than the previous question. And the previous one was what? 300 and what was it? 379,000. All right. I got a number. All right. I just changed mine. Okay. Show me those numbers. 74,500. 180,000. Okay. So, the answer is 140,000. So, I'm going to go ahead and change the number. Okay, so the answer is 157,397. I'm closer. Yes, Steven, so way closer. Yes, yes. So, let's kind of be in the same train of thought though. How many hours, or sorry, how many minutes, Steven, are in the RelayFM Master Feed? Mine was 157. Correct. Okay. The eraser on the top of my pen is real bad. Uh-oh. Don't use your snazzy jacket. Steven, you're crushing me so far. It's all numbers based. That's the problem. All right, I'm ready. 94,500. 87,000. Okay, well, Steven, I'm going to go ahead and change the number of minutes. 87,000. Okay, well, Steven gets it again because it's actually 67,000. 458 minutes and 93 seconds. Wait, what was mine? 157. There was a 90,000 minute difference between the two of us. Have you listened to how long Cortex is? You have a lot of long pockets. We do 12 a year. All right. You know what? Let's do a kind of tangentially related math question and then we're going to move on to others. Which show on the network that has more than five episodes has the longest average episode duration? That has more than five episodes? That's a really weird qualifier. Yes, blame Matt. The one episode of Almanac was eight days long. I think that's the reason. So you're asking which show? Which show? It's the average longest runtime, right? Correct. Got it. Show me. Yeah, Rectips. Good job, Mike. You're on the board. Those boys love a chat. Well, I'm not, am I? Did I get a point if we both answered it? Yeah, it's called a tie. Yeah. We both get points for that? I mean, yeah, because you both had the correct answer. Well, it hasn't moved me forward any. No, it hasn't, but you are on the board. So that's great. I'll take that. All right. So Ann from the Discord would like you to tell me in total how many emoji has Vatici guessed correctly? Okay, so we play this game on Connected every year when the new emoji come out, Federico can't see their actual names. We show him the artwork and he has to guess the name. It's hilarious because, well, frankly, because English isn't his first language. But also the descriptions of the names of the emoji themselves. So how many he's gotten correct? I think a lot of them I wouldn't be able to get. Yeah. All right. I got a number. 115. 70. Mike is correct. Well, closer to being correct. 121 out of 201. I was pretty close. According to the jerrys.heroku app. Herokuapp.com All right. This one's for Steven mainly, but obviously both of you need to answer. From Justin Hamilton. How many Apple devices has Steven broken? According to relay.fandom.com That's actually a pretty complete list. Or at least it is the most complete list that Steven will admit to. Yes. We're at $447,918 right. That's awesome. That's almost as many devices as Steven has broken. Come on. All right. I have my number. You ready? All right. 12. 8. Steven is closer to being correct. Of course I am. 11. That's my devices. Out of 12. We're not counting the leather case as a device. See, I just want to let it be known Steven had to answer a question about himself and he picked 12, which means there is a hidden, broken device that he is yet to find. It actually I think just got updated. I think an Apple Watch got added just this week. I didn't break it this week. I finally told the story this week. You broke another one? Yay! All right. What's up next, Kathy? Our next question comes from Marlies. I would like you to name all of the hosts on the network who aren't living in the United States. I'm glad you finished that sentence. The hosts that aren't living. How many have we lost? You get a bonus point if you can name their country. This is active? Correct. Currently not living in the United States. This is going to take a few minutes. So instead I will say thank you again to the amazing people in the Discord for supporting Relay and the hosts for these fantastic questions. I'm visualizing the people page in my head. I know. I love it. You spent a lot of time there recently. Yeah, it's all fancy and redesigned. I'm going to say thank you. I'm going to say thank you. It's going to be really sad if both of you miss the same. Don't say that! It's only sad when you say it! Sorry! Just no pressure. Can you tell us how many there are? No, that's cheating. It's active, which is confusing. We'll see. We're very focused boys here. I know. I should have saved this for the last. Not distracting at all. Okay. I think you have to give us a time limit, Kathy. I know. I think I'm going to give you let's see 10 more seconds. There are nine. What? I need a lot more time! What? What's happening? I'm going to give you a time limit. I only have four. I have five. One of them is me. That's good. That is one of the answers. Who do you have? Mike from the UK. Federico from Italy. Got those. Shahid from the UK. Got that. I got Rosemary. Rosemary isn't always in the UK, right? I don't know if I've got one in the UK. I didn't get Rosemary. I got Mike, Gray, Federico, Shahid, and Betty. So I got five. Okay. So Betty, Gray, Shahid, Mike, Rosemary, Julia, Sneaky Julia, Jeff, Veen, and Federico. We both said Federico, right? Yeah, we both said Federico. The annoying thing for me is three people who live in the UK who I see somewhat regularly, nothing. You did it actually pretty good. I'm very proud of you. Good job. Steven did way better, though. Yes, yes. I cannot believe I didn't think of Gray. Seriously. I saw it under school two days ago. Oh my goodness. It's late. That's my excuse. It's 11pm. That's my excuse. Totally. We'll believe that. Moving on to the next question. From Insatiate This in the Discord, out of all the great sponsors for RelayFM, who are the three companies who have sponsored the most ads across all the shows? Of all time? Yeah. How did you even find that? That's very good. Magic. Serious scraping of the website is what I expect of the code here. That would be correct. It was three, right? Yes, top three. This is your question, Mike. Yeah, I mean, I really, if I don't get this right, I'm going to be really sad. I know. Honestly, I would be really sad too. But I believe in you. Nearly at 90% of our new fundraising. That's incredible. 148,000. I'm ready. SquareSpace, Panda, Smile. Oh, I think it might be Linode. I think it might be Linode. I did SquareSpace, Kingdom, and Linode. Steven is correct. I went for Length. That was what I went for. They are our three most regular, oldest sponsors. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Boom. Good call on Linode. Thank you. Good job. Maybe I just went for my three favorites. Maybe that's... But that means there are not favorites. They're all my favorite children. Bombas is out there crying. Nice cover. Okay, so we have a spread of some fantastic questions from Kate, who has done a lot of research. Oh, it's a little title related. Not all of them. Okay. But that's where we will start. How many live-streamed episodes have been named via ShowBot? And I will give you a hint. Since February 11, 2015. Wow. All right. Going back to math again, which is upsetting. I know, I know. What's the number? You ready? Yeah. 825. 3200. Mike is way closer. Yeah, I overshot it. 1506. I just get to say, as someone who does this, saying I overshot. That wasn't an overshooting, my friend. You were three times higher than the number. I overshot a lot. So far. All right. In that same vein, how many people have named at least one live-streamed podcast episode via ShowBot? How many individual people have named at least one? Individual humans. Because I don't think robots could necessarily name. Thank you, James. James had a really good idea. Donated one year of Apple Card cash. Thank you, James. That's a great idea. That's fantastic. All right. Got your answers? 110. 100. Mike is closer. 192 individual humans have gotten a podcast title. Wait, so it was how many? It was 1,506 episodes. 192. I know, I'm sure, in there, there are some serious outliers. Maybe we're going to find that out. I don't know. Stop talking. Let's find out. Yep. Spoiler. We're not going to find out. All right. How many alumna are listed on the People page of the website? Okay. Ready? I also said 12. We both said 12. So close. The answer is 10. Huh. But Katie Farr is right. Katie Farr is right. Katie Farr is right. But Katie Floyd is not listed on the alumna page. So that would have been 11. It doesn't change anything. We both were wrong. We both get a point or no point? It doesn't really matter. I think you get no point. You both would get a point if you got the correct answer. But because neither of you got the correct answer, neither of you get the point. We both can't get points for being wrong. What's next? What's next is how many current hosts are there on the network, including you? All right. 48. 42, 48. The answer is 38. Even is closer. Boom. You are destroying me this year. This isn't even fun anymore. Oh. Poor Mike. Yes, I can. I've got two words under my belt. Mike got my question wrong. $100 donation. That could have been anyone. All right. One last question from Kate. Whose first appearance on Clockwise was as a co-host, not a guest, and not including Dana and Jason? Got it. Hey, we hit $450,000. Woo! Jeremy, thank you, Jeremy. The creator of Emoji did it again. Emoji 2. That means more beard-related activities. Thank goodness. All right. Show me your answers. Micah. Mike Hurley. Neither of those. That would be Brian Hamilton, episode 201. Wow. Remains also the only person to have hosted more episodes than they have been a guest on. I don't think Clockwise knows what the word host means. Yeah, it's the second person. That's a weird format. Well, I've done a bunch of that. Take it up to the co-founders. All right. Speaking of Clockwise, let's name the top five guests who have appeared on the most episodes of Clockwise. Again, guests, not hosts. Guests, not hosts. Hmm. You'll get one point for each name you get correct. Whoa, that makes this question really more important than the others. Except for the location one. Okay. Wow. This is about as good as I'm going to get. I only have three people written down. I can't even think of two more humans. Uh. I just have, okay, I'm just going to go, I wrote three people down. That's all I got. Okay. Rosemary, Shelley, and Lex Friedman. Okay. Jeremy Budge, James Thompson, Shelley Brisbane, Mike Hurley, Rosemary Orchard. All right. Stephen gets one correct. And Mike, I think you get two. The top five are James Thompson with 30 appearances, Colleen Sims with 27, Shelley with 26, Casey List, 25, and Allison Sheridan, 24. I used to be high on that list. That was a long time ago. You're very busy. Yeah, they changed time. Yeah. That was it. Did you see how many minutes of podcast you are on? That's true. You're very busy. All right. Final two questions. Okay. What date was the Discord launched? Come on, you can do this. No pressure. To the public? Yes. Jason Snell just texted me, calling me a weird format. June 4th, 2020. May 14th. Wow. May 8th, 2020. I knew it was before. I knew it was before we did any memberships with this new membership stuff. And I am fairly certain, according to my amazing scorekeepers, that this means you are tied? No way. Yeah. Wait, really? Yeah. Which is perfectly timed. That seems made up. And not planned whatsoever. Come on. I've been cheated. Yeah, well. I'm getting this one right, so you're fine. Let's see. This has been stolen from me. Whoever can get the closest to the amount of money that was raised at the beginning of the podcast-a-thon today. What is that number? What is beginning? The number that we were on before we started? One minute before we launched podcast-a-thon. Okay. No cheating, Adina! My wife was trying to cheat for me, and I would- Adina! I am shocked. Hey, look. She loves me, and she knows I want to win. I'm ready. Alright. Ready? $371,000. And with that, Mike takes it because we had $373,313 coming from behind. Come on. Steven, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. Forgive me. 3-0. RelayFM will be looking for a new community manager. And we'll be seeing you in court. Does this mean I don't have to do all of the things that I do? I can just go home now, right? No, please stay. Thank you, Kathy. You're welcome. Thanks, guys. Speaking of court. Steven, do you want to talk about what's happening next? Yes. I'm going to be joined by a couple of the hosts from Rocket. Christina and Bri, and we're going to be catching up on the Theranos case, which is this really fascinating tech story, and they've been following along and talking about it on Rocket for a long time, and so I thought we would go to the experts for this next segment. You could kind of say we're obsessed, I think. I think that's fair. Yes, I think so. We love a good scam, right? Christina, every week we look for scams that we can find to bring to you, the people. So that's kind of just our beat. No, scams forever, for sure. And Theranos is definitely my favorite of all the scams. I think we've done so many scams, but I think Theranos is definitely my favorite. Anadelvie kind of fluttered out, whereas the Elizabeth Holmes thing is still going, so that's definitely my favorite scam. Okay, but being honest, this trial, right, Christina, I keep waiting for some new dirt that's not in bad blood, and the best we've gotten are these horrible text messages that Elizabeth Holmes is sending Sunny Balwony. They're so bad. It's so terrible. But we're only at the very beginning of the trial right now. So the trial is interesting. It's not being broadcast, which I think is a massive mistake on the court's fault. I actually think that all cases, unless it's like juvenile or something, should be broadcast. That's just me. The cameras have not been allowed in the courtroom, but we do have, but it's, they're doing this weird thing where court is only in session three days a week, so it's like Monday, Wednesday, Friday. So the jurors then get to go home and go to work and do their normal life, but they're supposed to somehow avoid all the media stuff about this, and they live in San Jose. So that's interesting. But they got a jury. As you said, the text messages have been admitted into evidence, some of the stuff between Balwony and Elizabeth Holmes, and one of the people who was Erica, who was like a lab manager, who was one of John Kerry Rue's initial sources for his first few stories about Theranos, took the stand earlier this week, and I think her cross-examination was today, and I haven't been able to follow to see how juicy it got, but I'm subscribed to the John Kerry Rue podcast through Apple Podcasts because that's the only way I can pay for the bonus episodes. I'm listening to the dropout on ABC's podcast. I'm reading all the blogs. What are you doing, Bree? Pretty much the same, though I've not subscribed to the podcast, John Kerry's podcast. I should do that. It's so interesting because I know the New York Times, their job is to be so steady and stayed in the coverage of this. So I'll start, I'll read a story in the New York Times about it, and it's like Erica Chung testified today and they tried to, the defense tried to counter, and then you read every other story, and it's kind of hinting at what a disaster it was for the defense. I mean, Erica Chung, if you read Bad Blood, she's a 10 out of 10 quality person. They were dying for like laboratory experts of her caliber. She came in, she's complaining about their constant problems not being able to calibrate these machines. She's testifying that people are literally sleeping in their cars waiting for the Theranos machines to recalibrate themselves just so they can do basic testing. And, you know, basically she tried her best to whistleblow and they ended up just ignoring her and showing her the door. So, you know, her, I think her testimony was highly, highly credible, but as far as, you know, the dirt which you and I are here for, Christina, I didn't see anything new here. So I was disappointed. Let's back up a second. For people who haven't read Bad Blood, which is a fascinating book, and I think the two of y'all were the same way. I could not put it down. Let's give people sort of the elevator pitch of the Theranos story and what sort of unfolded since then. Okay. So the TLDR, so to speak, is that Theranos was a company that had raised almost a billion dollars in funding, including from people like the DeVos family, Rupert Murdoch. It had very high profile people on its board of directors like Henry Kissinger and George Shultz, who was a former Secretary of State. And its founder was this woman, Elizabeth Holmes, who went to Stanford, dropped out, and then had this idea where she said, okay, what if you could take one drop of blood from your fingertip and run a battery of assays, which is blood tests, and get a battery of results from this one, you know, like a thimble full of stick of blood. You could get all these tests, it would be reliable, you wouldn't have to use a lot of needles, and it would all be done on this one machine and be very beautiful and apple-like. Well, the idea, you know, is kind of futuristic, and it's kind of out there. The problem is, as has been alleged, and as the, frankly, as the defense sort of conceded when this went to trial, the tech didn't ever really work. And over periods of time, it was just kind of fanciful. Like, they'd hired a bunch of people, and the company went through various periods of time of hiring people and then almost running out of money. And, um, at a certain point, you know, it had become, um, quite, you know, like, had a large valuation, like I said, had all these big, you know, important people on the boards of directors, had this really big deal with, uh, this really big partnership with Walgreens, where you could go into a certain select Walgreens location to get your blood drawn, and it was supposed to be run by Theranos machines. Well, something didn't sit right about this with, uh, with John Keriaru, who was a reporter at the Wall Street Journal, and he wound up kind of writing an article that wound up kind of exposing that a lot of the test results were, A, not actually done on Theranos machines, uh, but done on normal machines, and B, that a lot of the results that were coming back were incorrect, and that people were being misled, and that there were a lot of other problems happening in the company. So, essentially, you know, the, the long and the short of it is, is that people have kind of alleged that none of this ever worked. Elizabeth Holmes, who was the CEO, was actively lying to investors and the public, and, um, there was a settlement with the SEC. She can't be, you know, hold office in a private company for, or public company for x period of time, but now the Department of Justice, um, is, uh, has a lawsuit, um, or not a lawsuit, a criminal complaint against her for, um, like, deception. So this is taking place in San Jose right now, where they're basically having to, what they have to prove is, um, did she knowingly know, did she know that these test results were inaccurate, the things that the company could not do what it said that it could, um, and was she knowingly lying to people and investors about this or not? And so that, that's where we are now. Yeah, that's the thing that really, uh, blew me away, because I remember that when that first article came out, and then, of course, the book, and you have, a lot of these things are going on at the same time, right? They know their machines aren't where they're supposed to be, but then they're also in meetings with Walgreens and other drugstores, and it's like, Right. Trying to put things out into the world where it's, you know, full knowledge, uh, at least of the leadership that this technology is not where they're, they're saying it is. And I just remember reading it thinking, like, these, uh, you know, these meetings, these people, it's so brazen to me. Like, it really was, uh, pretty surprising. Like, you, you read about these meetings and these pitches they're making, and... Completely disconnected from reality, right? Yeah, yeah, just like, I don't know what's going on over there. It's like, yes, you do. Like, you know that you're not where you're, you're saying you are. And that's one thing in, like, consumer technology, but we're talking about... Exactly. ...tests for, yeah, various diseases, some of which are, can be very serious, and you're giving people bad diagnoses. Like, that's a lot bigger of a deal than, like, if you hold your iPhone wrong and it drops a call on AT&T. Right. Right. No, exactly. It was so, it was so disturbing because if you really get into a lot of the allegations here, I mean, I, I personally don't find it credible that she could not have known about this, and I think that's what a lot of what the text messages, if you're reading into a lot of the text messages that the prosecution brought forward, it's really showing how hands-on she was with a lot of these firings. And just to give a little bit more detail of, of how they basically cheated these blood tests, you know, Theranos was claiming to use their proprietary technology. So then they would get the vials of blood and then they would dilute it with saline and then run it through a Siemens machine, right? And then in doing that, it would have the results all over the place. You had that, you had her direct role in firing people. You had her going after a former Secretary of State, George Shultz's grandson, who is a, swear to God, hero in the book of, of whistleblowing and trying to do everything in back channel that he could. And Elizabeth Holmes doing everything she could to kind of mess up his life. To read about, uh, uh, uh, Sunny Balwani and Elizabeth Holmes's brank appraisals of him in these text messages, it's, it's honestly heartbreaking because if you know the other side of the story, this is a young man, his parents are terrified of losing their home, you know, they're putting up all this money to counter lawsuits from Theranos, they're being pressured by his grandfather, he's having his family fall apart, and they're just, they're, they're treating it like a game. So, I, I personally, that's why I found these text messages very credible evidence. Yeah, no, the text messages are interesting. How the defense is obviously going to counter is they might have additional messages that show other context. Um, also a lot of the information about, like, what was happening behind the scenes with, with the, you know, um, uh, Tyler Shultz and his family may not be admitted into evidence, right? Like, it might not be one of those things that the jury is allowed to know about. So, there are things that, this is what becomes interesting about this case, there are things that obviously will be public, and there are things that won't be. And so, what, what the defense's take right now, I think, is, and I'm gonna be honest, Brie and I have a bet for $500, um, whether or not she's going to do jail time or not. I personally do not think she's going to jail. I'm not saying she won't be convicted, I'm saying that, that she's not doing jail time. Um, and, and our deal is that Brie thinks she will be. Um, my, my personal thought is, uh, yeah. That's very good. Yes. This is how we do it. I'm team jail. I'm willing to, I, I, I want her to go to jail. I just don't think she's going to. I, I think that, I think that, that white, um, um, mothers and, um, nice looking ladies in America, I just don't think it happens. Um, especially since they have to prove intent, which is the big thing here. Because if they put her on the stand, and this was somebody who, look, I think she's a sociopath, that's my opinion, you can't come after me for a, for, for, um, slander, uh, Elizabeth Holmes, uh, although, I mean, you can try, but you can't. Uh, that's my personal opinion. I think she, I think she's probably a sociopath, not a doctor, but, uh, it, it, she definitely appears to have some of those, uh, symptoms based on what, you know, I've read in my non-doctor brain. But, she was able to charm people. You know, she was able to convince these, these men, um, very powerful men to give her hundreds of millions of dollars. Again, they raised 910 million dollars, which is just an extraordinary amount of, of money for something that never did anything, which just shows you how little due diligence a lot of these rich people did when it came to their investments. But she was able to convince them to part with their money, and, and, um, some of the messages and some of the things that have been admitted kind of go into, like, her, her detailing her conversations with, you know, Rupert Murdoch and how, like, he wanted to talk to her longer, but she had to leave. And, you know, uh, so, if she was able to be that kind of successful there, if she does take the stand, it's possible that she is gonna be able to successfully blame everything on, uh, on her co-defendant, Sonny Balwani, who was, um, both, um, her paramour for a number of years. He's also a lot older than her and was, you know, kind of the early investor. He got rich in the dot-com era, and, and it was his money that kind of propped up the company. Um, and, uh, by all accounts, they ran things together, but she's now saying, actually, he was the one who's pulling all the strings. I was in an abusive relationship. I didn't know what was going on, and the things that, that, um, you know, were false, that were being spread around, I thought were true. I thought I was making, making true claims. Yeah, I'm on the, uh, other side of you, Christina. I think she might be a sociopath. So, you get both sides on rocket. No, I, no, I said I think she is a sociopath. I'm, I'm joking. You're like, you may be a sociopath. I think she might be. Okay, got it, got it, got it, yeah. No, uh, for sure. And, you know, you can read into these text messages. I don't know what kind of stuff y'all send your spouses, but I don't have anything on the bad poetry Elizabeth Holmes was sending us, Sunnyvale Lonely. Like, it's, it's like, angel, you lift me up. Like, it's like, it's, it's, it's like Coldplay lyrics. It's so painful to read those. How dare you? Chris Martin is a treasure. How dare you? Okay, okay, sorry, sorry. Uh, yeah, it's, uh, it'll be interesting to see where it goes. Yeah, definitely. Um, uh, and just, just one last question because I saw a picture, I think it was on Twitter the other day, of some people outside of the courtroom as she was coming in. Oh my God, the cosplay. Dressed, dressed like her. So good. And you get that in the book too a little bit that she, uh, really crafted her image and, uh, mostly I think after Steve Jobs, or at least her impression of Steve Jobs, which is a whole other, like, thing we don't have time to go into, but, uh, what? What are you doing? Uh, so she does have this ability, I think, to to, uh, you know, draw people and, and I don't know if inspire is the right word, but, No, but you're right. I compared it to to the Manson followers who showed up, like, the members of the family who showed up to his trial, and some people were like, well, no, that's not really fair. And then I made, like, my point about the comparisons, like, no, actually, I'm making that very specifically. Like, you know, you're showing up at a trial for this sort of person dressed up like them when you don't really know anything about them. It's, uh, it's deranged, and I love it. It's not a thing, uh, that I've ever done. You know, I don't want to cast any doubt in anybody else's actions, but I have never gone outside of a courthouse dressed like a defendant personally. No, definitely not. I mean, it's kind of that reality distortion field. She has that same thing that Steve Jobs had. It's like that line from Better Call Saul. If you believe a lie hard enough, everyone else will believe it. I actually made a woman once believe I was Kevin Costner. That's from Better Call Saul. That's Elizabeth Holmes, right? Like, she believes it, and I look at Rocket, right? Christina, she's got us. Like, how many episodes have we spent dissecting this scam? I mean, we're not groupies. Oh, look, she's got our number. We're not groupies, but we're obsessed, 100%. Yes, absolutely. Like, the amount of media that has come from this, apparently Jennifer Lawrence is going to still be in a movie. There's going to be a TV show on Hulu. There's been a documentary. It's so good. And I'm just excited because the trial is supposed to go until December, so we have so much future Rocket content. Well, thank you all for covering it. It is such a bizarre story in tech, and one that's been going on for a long time. I mean, this was now several years ago. Yeah, it's totally wild. Well, thank you all for joining me today for the podcast-a-thon. People should go check out Rocket. It is fantastic. Every Thursday on RelayFM. You should check out Rocket, but you should also donate to St. Jude. We have the opinion on Rocket that cancer for children is bad. I know it's not. Everyone believes that, but that's how we roll. That's what we feel. So please go support them. They've touched so many lives of people I've known. When I ran for Congress, I met a lot of people that had had children with cancer and other very serious things. It's a resource for them, and it's well worth your money. So please help them out. Cool. It was good seeing you all. Have a good weekend, and we'll talk soon. Bye. Bye, y'all. All right. So we're going to be rejoined by Mike here in just a moment, but we have broken $450,000, which is absolutely incredible. So I'm going to go get rid of these things real quick. I think we're going to show a little video, and then Mike and I will be back for some more wheel spinning in just a minute. She's like a little ham. She's just constantly singing and dancing with her siblings. She's, you know, well ahead for her age in terms of, like, vocabulary and counting and learning to read. She's just really, really smart. She'll tell you how she feels. She's always laughing. My daughter is Marina, and she's two years old. Marina has a rare form of children's eye cancer, retinoplastoma. We noticed in her pupil, there was a whiteness to it, like a white pupil in the eye would catch it with our smartphones or in, like, the glimmer of the sunlight sometimes. And so we decided to take her to her doctor. Her doctor sent us to a specialist, and then the specialist sent us to St. Jude. In the beginning, I didn't want to say she has cancer, because no. I just didn't even want to, like, give it a name. Within the first couple weeks of us getting here, I was just so scared. Like, I think the reality of what was happening within our family just hit me, and it kind of hit me all at once. And Marina's doctor, they came in and they took Marina out of the room. I had started to cry, and I was just so scared, filled with fear. And her doctor came in, Dr. Brennan came in, and just didn't even say anything, sat down beside me, and, like, hugged me and held me while I, like, was literally sobbing. And she just said, it's going to be okay. It's going to be okay. We're here to help her. She's fine. We're going to be okay, and we're not going anywhere, and we're here to support you and your family and Marina. And in that moment, I just kind of focused on not the fear, but her healing, her health, and just moving forward and being the strength that she needed. Are you going to the park? Yeah! You're going to swing? Yeah! This place has been such a blessing for us. As crazy as it sounds, like, I'm so thankful for this, because it's brought our family closer, I feel like. To know that, like, we can come here, and we can just solely focus on our daughter's health and healing, all we have to do is focus on taking care of her and helping her heal. Hey, everybody. So thanks to Stephen's shaving, I added some more of these things, and I found some ones that make sound, which I'm sure is wonderful for you all. I'm going to just give you a good look here. What we're dealing with. Got a couple of new colors. Gold and red. Added to the whole shebang. So that's going on. Don't forget, you can donate. You shouldn't have forgotten, but we'd like you to go and donate. Go to stjude.org and donate. We have passed $452,000. Thank you to all the great show hosts, Jake and Carly on the 100. I'm up for 100. Thank you to Kathy and the Soup family for their 100. Of course, thanks to Kathy for that wonderful quiz that she put together for us. We are at $452,636. That puts us at $19,000. That towards our goal now for the rest of September of hitting $500,000 raised for Kids of St. Jude Children's Research Hospital. That's what we're aiming for now. Half a million. We believe that we can do it. We're sure we can and we want to see how far we can reach tonight. We are another $22,000 away. Five, which put out the second of the Boulder Dash specials. This is a terrible sound for me every time I talk. I don't know if this is bad for you as it is for me. I hate it. What I don't hate is St. Jude. Oh, Atomic Night of a 1,000th Nation. Beanboozled time. We're going to have Berry Blue or Toothpaste. I don't know which I prefer really. Berry or Toothpaste? We'll find out. It's Berry and I really like it. You know. You take what you get. Luckily, it wasn't the rotten milk one. Spoiled milk. That was the worst one last time. Dead Fish. I'm not sure actually if I prefer which one out is worse. Out of the Dead Fish and the Spoiled Milk. I have a view now of a wonderful sparkly jacket coming into view over there in Memphis. Which can surely only mean one thing. My very handsome, very different looking friend has returned. There he is! Hey Heisenberg! Steven is the one who knocks. But I don't hear him right now. I don't know if anybody else can. Steven did not turn on his microphone. I've done it again. That's twice now. At least this time, we didn't have an important guest. Yeah. Let's spin the wheel. You ready? I love it. Beautiful! Where will she stop? Nobody knows. Come on! Let's go! Number 13. 13 is... Board of Peril. Onto the board. Number 9 again. New profile picture. Oh, okay. Okay, so we're gonna do this again. Can you hear this, Steven? Is that your face? Yeah. My face jingles now. That's not great. It's really uncomfortable as I'm talking because I just hear this. Yeah. Which is probably really bad audio. That's okay. We're not professional podcasters. Alright, you making a new profile picture? I sure am. Okay, let's see. There we go. New profile picture coming up. But I'm gonna crop it. There we go. We've gotten so good at taking selfies today. No, I hate it. Okay, there we go. Do you want to do another one? So we are here raising money for St. Jude Children's Research Hospital. The reason that we do this is because the work of St. Jude saves the lives of kids who are diagnosed with cancer. That's a terrible thing. I'm a parent of a kid who has been a St. Jude patient. And when you get that diagnosis, when you get told that this is what's going on with your child, it's crushing. And St. Jude is there for those families. They treat these kids without charging their families a single dime for treatment, travel, or food. That means you can come to Memphis and receive the best treatment in the world by the best doctors in the world, and everything is taken care of. And that means that you can focus on keeping your child safe and well. And that is everything when you're in this situation. So that is why we do this every year. Please join us at stjude.org. We're currently at $454,000, well on our way to $500,000, which is absolutely incredible. stjude.org. Mike, let's do another wheel spin, because every time people donate, things happen. We're catching up a little bit from some interviews and whatnot, but every $2,500 or so, we spend this thing, so I'd say we do another one. Your goatee is really upsetting, because it's so large. It's physically very big. I don't know if I've ever seen a goatee as big before. It's a manatee. Manatee. There you go. Doc just donated $500. Thank you, Doc. We've got a hula hoop as well. I know. Number two. Donation match. By Mike. I'm going to match $1,000. Okay. All right. I like this. The next $1,000, Mike, will match. Yep. Once $1,000 comes in, I will put in another $1,000. Fantastic. I've got a hula hoop, because Doc gave $500. I won't eat a Beanboozled bean for my own donation. I will do it for the other one. Here we go. It's a nice orange and green. Let's see if we can get a couple of revolutions going, Steve. You can do this, buddy. You can do this. Look at that warm up. Hey, that was pretty good. That was pretty good. I'm not getting really any better at it. No, I think you did get a bit better at it. I think the amount that you're getting better is small. Thanks. Thanks for that. But it's noticeable at the same time. Thank you. I'm so tangled up in this. Charles Thomas. Alright, Mike Hurley. I'm doing it right now. I owe $160. Maybe we'll get a matching donation from me this time. Spin this thing one more time. Here we go. Here we go. Number three. If you're just tuning in, this is how this works. Even numbers are on the wheel of adventure. That means generally something good happens. If it's an odd number, like five or in this case, three, we have to go over here to what we're calling the board of peril. What happens on the board of peril is I have this little puck here. It slides down here. These numbers one through nine are bad things that happen. Some of them happen to Mike. Some of them happen to me. Some of them happen to both of us. We're going to see what happens here. I'll give you a little ASMR as it happens. Number three. Number three is Mike in a onesie. It's the return of, what was his name? Hector Skeleton Man? I forget. Harold J. Skellington? Harold J. Skellington. Skellington. I know it was J. Skellington. Harold's his father. When you do that, I'm going to give this one more spin and then maybe we can get a little skeleton update. Okay. I'll jingle now too. Here we go. Did you step on the hype button? No. Mike dives into the balloon room. Let me put the onesie on. Okay. Then we'll do that. Another spin. You've got to dive in when we're done with this. Number two, which I believe is I have to pay Mike a compliment. Is that number two? I forget. Mike, another donation match. Should I do it again? Yeah, you have to. The wheel knows all. The next $1,000 donation, I'll do it again. Okay. I like evening Mike here. I've had three-quarters of a red bull. I'm ready. He's ready. Maybe we give people a little bit of a tour of some of the other things that could happen on the wheel and on the board. How does that sound? Sounds great. I'm still putting this onesie on. Here in the St. Jude studio in Memphis, we've got a couple of things that we're doing. Obviously, we're spinning these. Here we have an iMac that we're filling up with Lego as we raise money, as we continue to climb towards $500,000. More Lego goes in there. In front of that is a 2013 Mac Pro full of Apple history dates. One of the things that can happen is I have to read a date from my Apple history calendar, which you may be familiar with. That's going on there. Way in the back, I don't know if we can see it, is what's left of an IBM PC Junior that we've been smashing. That is number 10 on the board. We hit it with a baseball bat. Ryan Thomas, $1,000. Thank you, Ryan, so much for supporting the life-saving work of St. Jude and doing so much to help these really special families. How's it going, Mike? I'm going to match that, and then I'm diving in. I'm almost convinced that my credit card company is going to cancel my credit card. But, you know, we'll do it for the kids. That's right. Oh, look how high those balloons are. I know. Mike's version of the LEGO IMAX. I can't climb into this, clearly, but Mike can climb into a gazebo completely full of balloons. We're going to see Mike jump. Mike, how high are you going to jump, from the ceiling? What are you going to do? We're going to see, because the table's in there somewhere, which is... You know? All right, so there you go. All right, let's see this. Everybody pray for Mike. Thank you. All right, here we go. There he is. That's just walking in. That's not jumping in. There he is. Mike Hurley, everybody. Oh, that was either a balloon or an organ popping in the balloon room. Mike, are you okay? Hey! What is attached... Oh, that's your tie. I thought that was your beard for a second. It was really long, and I was very confused. $475. Wait, no, I can't read. There's a comma. Some goals are coming up. We're going to show the second game show on YouTube, and I shaved some more beard here, in just a few hundred dollars. I've got to say, I feel a little guilty that Mike has matched... How much have you matched in the last five minutes? $2,000. $2,000, okay. You want to do $180 anytime soon? Yeah, I'm going to do $180 anytime soon. Let's see what the wheel has to say. Okay. Yes! Number 10! I know what number 10 is. Number 10 is the IBM. It is. So, I've got some safety equipment. Oddly, they wanted me to take my prescription glasses off. Put on safety goggles. Can't you put them on over the glasses? No, then it's like double jeopardy or something. I don't know. Huh. Abituron, $1,000, bringing us to $450,000 raised for the kids. Thank you so much. Thank you so, so much for everything. We genuinely really massively appreciate it. Alright, Stephen, show us what you got. Oh! Oh, that was bad. You okay? Everyone okay? It's impossible to tell. Oh, wow. That was fast. So, beard time again. I've got to find more of these guys. So, what happens? I go down to just a mustache? I think so. Is it just mustache time? I think so. We mustache. Bicustache time. So, that's where you've got to get rid of the bottom of the goatee. You're going to have a thick mustache. I know. It's going to be serious. Oh, the camera's moving. Okay. So, I'm going to go shave down a little bit, and when I'm gone, I'm going because Mike has matched, I'm going to follow suit. So, the next thousand dollars donated while I'm gone, I will be matching as well. So, keep tabs for me, and I will be right back, Mike. Alright, do we have a video that we can play real quick so I can get out of the onesie and get ready for our next thing? Thank you. Our patience has To know her is to love her. She makes me extremely proud to be her mother. H-E-A-R-T, oh, we love to see you every day, but now it's time we get to say Pack your bags, get out the door, it's time for you to leave the floor. Woo! Music Lila is ten. She is usually such an active and energetic child. She's inclusive and smart and just, you know, she's a delight. AML is a leukemia that affects the white blood cells, and we noticed excessive bruising, and we kind of attributed it to her activity level. But we did a blood test. My dad, who looked at the scans, he's a physician, he came to our house and said, Lila has leukemia, pack a bag. We're leaving right now. The minute we came to St. Jude, I immediately felt that feeling of hope, and then once we got here, I feel like we were at home. Looking to her future feels hopeful, that she will have all of her needs addressed beyond transplant, beyond therapy. You know, you don't see the light at the end of the tunnel for a long time, but you begin to hope that it's there. St. Jude is such a bright place, and everyone who comes in, they try and get them to come out. If it weren't for St. Jude, I wouldn't be sitting here today. My choice was to be happy and confident and brave. If it weren't for St. Jude, I wouldn't be sitting here today. My choice was to be happy and confident and brave. And welcome back. Don't forget you can donate at stjude.org slash relay. Now I have the pleasure of being joined to me, joined, wait, I have the pleasure of being joined by, it's late, Simone Desrochespour, the third host of Rocket, we just spoke to Brie and Christina a moment ago. Simone, thank you so much for joining to me. Hello, am I moving? Am I frozen? Is it all good? You're all good. Awesome. Thank you, Mike, for having me. Oh, it's a pleasure. Thank you so much. I wanted to talk to you about video games. Uh oh. I had a video game scare right before this. This is not on topic for what we're talking about, but I've been playing this clicker game called Kittens Game. That is not a 2021 game. It's not new. I'm playing it. And I had, I had spent so much time amassing all these compendiums to complete a task and I logged in and they were all gone. And I was like, where did they go? I spent hours, days getting so many compendiums. I had already done the upgrade. I did it like an hour ago and I totally forgot about it. So that's kind of my mental state right now. Well, let's see if we can try and break out of that and talk about the wonderful world of video games. So, I think it's fair to say 2021 has been a bit of a weird year for video game releases. Uh, in the fact that most of them haven't happened up until this point. But it looks like we've kind of got a bit of a fall going on. So I wanted to know what is on your radar in gaming for the rest of the year? So, in a way, some things haven't happened because some things are still delayed, but also a lot is still happening. So coming up this year, things that I am super, super excited for. Well, next year we're getting God of War, the sequel, which was delayed and Horizon Forbidden West, which was delayed. But the thing that I'm most looking forward to for the end of this year is this little city builder, this extremely chill tile based city builder called Dorfromantic, which is out in early access on Windows. I will grant you this. However, it is theoretically coming to Switch. And this is just one of those games that's kind of like a game. It reminds me of a game that came out a couple of years ago called Islanders, where there's just relaxing music and you are placing buildings and trees, tiles that have fields on them and kind of piecing them together to make this little functioning city world. I desperately need this game to be on Switch. So that is right now what I'm most looking forward to. However, there's been a ton of stuff that has come out recently, and I have downloaded a bunch of things because I am going on a trip tomorrow. You are catching me in a moment where I am about to take a very long flight to France. So things that I have downloaded, the great Ace Attorney Chronicles, which is an Ace Attorney. Are you familiar with the Ace Attorney series? Yeah, it's a game series that I feel like I know about and I've never played. Oh, well, for those unfamiliar with it, you play a sort of hapless but good hearted attorney and you see a murder happen at the beginning of every case. You investigate the murder, finding clues and stuff, and then you go into the courtroom and you prove your case basically by presenting the evidence that you have gathered over the course of the investigation. This game, which is out now on Switch, I have downloaded it, is set in Victorian times. And it is I I've heard so many good things about it, and I am so excited to just settle in and do some mystery action because that is my happy place. Did something happen? I heard a discord notification. No, don't worry, that's fine. People join the call. It's good. I will I will ignore that for the rest of this. There's also a game called Garden Story that I'm looking forward to playing on my trip. It is a cute adventure where you play a little grape, you're a little grape and you're saving your home and gathering resources, which is, again, my happy place. Yeah, but I feel like the biggest story for me of what has happened this year is how many really good small scale or even medium scale multiplayer games there are. Mike, have you been have you been keeping up with this year's multiplayer releases? A little bit, a little bit. I am much more of a, I don't know, lonely gamer. Like, I like the kinds of games that you were mentioning. I like kind of pseudo worky type games, you know, looking after a thing. Like I find those to be really calming. So they tend to be the types of games that I find myself playing the most for Pokemon or, you know, the occasional racing game. That makes sense. Have you played the new Pokemon Snap that came out this year? You know, I did. I played a little bit of it. I didn't have the biggest affinity for Pokemon Snap the original because I didn't have an N64. I had a friend who had it. So I played it a little bit and I got into it. But and I've heard since, so I want to go back, the game opens up a little bit more as you get further through it. I kind of got into a few different areas and a bunch of shots. I think the thing that has always frustrated me about Pokemon Snap is I think some of the pictures are really good, but they're like, no, man, that Pokemon ain't big enough. It's like, come on. I framed this so well. That was driving us nuts when we were streaming it because the game wants the Pokemon to be, well, A, it rewards you for having a lot of Pokemon in one picture. B, it rewards you for having the Pokemon be like, the Pokemon, the central Pokemon be like really big in the frame. What is the truth? I feel like to me a good picture is like a beautiful pose shot of like a Bouffalant drinking at a peaceful pool or something. And the game is like, no, put that thing in the center of the screen and make it really, really big. So we can't see anything around it. Unless the thing that's around it is hundreds more Pokemon than we just... Surrounded by Golbats. I don't know. I'm imagining a fantasy scenario that probably does not happen in this game. This year's Pokemon game, I don't know how, I don't know if I'm that excited about the Pearl and Diamond remakes. Gosh, I wish I could tell you. I do not remember. But they've kind of reverted to a more cutesy art style rather than what they had started to do in the modern stuff. But they've got this other game coming out next year, the Legends one, where it's like an action adventure type game. I'm a bit more excited. Yeah, I really, really enjoyed Sword and Shield when it first came out. But I bounced off of it pretty hard once I got into this sort of grindy place where my Pokemon were strong enough to kill things really, really easily. But I wanted to catch more things and I needed to do work to level up the B team. However, I am still playing Pokemon Go. So that's kind of my, that's my thing. I do see you posting pictures. All the time. Of some of your faves. I have Pokemon. How big of a community does Pokemon Go still have? Is it still really large? It's freaking massive. They still make a lot of money off that game and a lot of people are playing it. We're just very quiet and ashamed about it, except for me now that I have a best friend who is a Vigoroth, who is literally perfect. It's interesting that game. It's had such a long tail. Like, obviously, like it really exploded, right? That one summer where everyone was playing and then obviously it died down, but it seems to have kept the community playing. Yes. Yeah. The people who, it's kind of optimized in the obsessive collector space right now where, I mean, my co-worker and I just yesterday, we were in the office together and I had a Zamazenta and he had a Zacian and you know, those aren't available anymore right now. So we just traded them just so we could fill out the slot in the Pokedex, which does lead me to believe that I really do need this vacation. However, guess what I'm going to do on the vacation? Catch France exclusive Pokemon. There's stuff out there. I'm going to import it back. You think they'll let you through customs with that thing? I'm going to hide my phone. Never turn over your phone to the TSA. They will confiscate your French Pokemon. They're not native to this country. Now, obviously Simone, I don't want to keep you too long because I've got that coming up, but I do want to know for 2022, what are you most excited about? I know you mentioned a couple of games like God of War and Horizon that are on the horizon for you. Is there anything else that you're excited about? I mean, obviously it will be super great to get some real next gen games and stuff. Like I know that's something that I'm super pumped for, like a lot of the PlayStation 5 games that maybe have not come out yet. So what's on your radar? Well, I'm currently mad that I just talked about Pokemon Go for five minutes because I wanted to talk about Dread Hunger. Which maybe I could fit into this. So this is a game that's in early access right now. Maybe, well, maybe it'll come out in 2022. Who knows? Have you seen The Terror? No. Ah, well, it's on BBC now, so you're allowed. This is an excellent show that was on AMC that's about the Franklin Expedition, which is the expedition that was trying to find the Northwest Passage. Boats got frozen in. Everybody dies. It's not a spoiler. You know it from the very first scene. So Dread Hunger is a game in the vein of Among Us where you are on this boat, you're in the Arctic, and a couple of you are traitors. And you're trying to kill the other crew while the rest of the crew is just desperately trying to gather resources and survive. It definitely feels like an early access game right now. It has a difficult tutorial, some very punishing settings. However, it is some of the most raucous fun that we have had with a multiplayer game all year. But there have been a lot of really, really good multiplayer games this year like Valheim and Chivalry 2. So for me, aesthetically, it's above those, even though it lacks the polish of those games. Do you think that that came from success like Among Us? Do you think a lot of people really doubled down on multiplayer? I couldn't necessarily say because I don't know how long this has been in development. However, that is kind of my 2022 prediction is that given we've seen so many viral but small multiplayer games like Among Us, like Valheim, which comes from a very small team as well. And even I would kind of count Fall Guys, even though it's, I think, a bigger team. These games are just really, really popular right now. I won't theorize as to why. However, I do think we will probably see a continuation of people capitalizing on that trend, which is exciting because it's fun. A lot of small teams that would have thought they were making a specific type of game, right? For a while, small indie teams were maybe making games that are closer to something like Stardew Valley because they thought that was the type of game we could make. But now, to be multiplayer, that meant shoot a game, hyper-realistic, jetpack. That was the only type of multiplayer experience. But I think games like Among Us, games like Fall Guys have shown that as long as the gameplay is good and fun and people can enjoy it in groups, it's going to work. Yeah, I totally think so. Especially if it provides another way to socialize with friends, especially friends we haven't seen in a very long time because they're far away. Definitely. Simone, thank you so much for joining me. It was so great to see you. People can catch you on Rocket on Relay FM. We do game videos and stuff. Enjoy your vacation, Simone. Thank you so much! Thanks for having me on, and good luck continuing to raise that money. Thank you so much. Alright, I, at the moment, can just see the back of Steven like he's some kind of James Bond. And I'm assuming this is because... here he comes! Oh, wow! Look at you! Is it still touching at the bottom? You in a fight? Oh wow, we've got fighting Steven there. Oh, he's got a baseball bat and everything. Is this biker Steven? That's right. I need you to donate to stgew.org.com. Oh my god. I feel like you need a different jacket if you're going to act so, like, biker tough. What are you talking about? This is the toughest piece of clothing I own. That's very true. Thank you to everybody who's donated. We're now at $463,000 raised. We are coming up pretty quick, I think, on $100,000 raised during the podcast-a-thon today. O'Sheen, we have a $516 donation. O'Sheen, thank you so much, my friend. That means a hula hoop. Hula hoop! Let's do this first. Alright. Mike, I'm going to do the thing where you tell me how to do it again, okay? Okay, great. Seven. Okay. In the opposite direction to you. At, like, hot—okay, I wasn't done, but next time I'm going to get better instructions for you then. Number three. Board apparel. Board apparel. Board apparel. I like how it just sounds like board apparel. That's how I hear it now. Yeah, that's any jacket that's not this jacket. Exactly. Board apparel. Alright, where do you want this? Um... Right one. Yeah. Go. Oh, no! Oh my god, he dropped it. How has that only happened for the first time? Alright. Ooh. Eight. Oh, number eight. TikTok challenge! Three TikTok challenges. That's the worst one! But you know what's right next to eight? Is number seven. Oh, we haven't done this! Okay, Stephen, can you explain what Chubby Bunny is? You put a bunch of marshmallows in your mouth, and the first one to pass out loses. I don't think it's exactly. One marshmallow at a time. Okay. And you have to say the word Chubby Bunny until it's possible for us to do so. Do you have a receptacle to put the marshmallows in when you're done? Right here, baby. Oh, interesting. My understanding is you have some pretty tech marshmallows. I've actually been eating them throughout the day. I have a little, like, oh, thank you. You're gonna regret that, I feel like. That really makes me feel like this is gonna end up me being sick, which I don't. Ooh, they smell like real marshmallows. Alright, we're gonna take it one at a time. Okay. You're not supposed to eat it. You're supposed to say it. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not. You can't chew them. You have to just say Chubby Bunny. Chubby Bunny. Chubby Bunny. Oh, these are big. Yeah, I wish I had bought small ones. Chubby Bunny. Chubby Bunny. Aw. I hate it. Chubby Bunny. Okay. Oh. I'm drooling. Chubby Bunny. Chubby Bunny. Chubby Bunny. No, no, no, no, no. This is a gross cup. How many is that? I got... I got up to five. I have to quit. Okay. Chubby Bunny. That wasn't it. There's no B sounds. It counts? Mm-hmm. Don't you have to be able to hear it? Chubby Bunny. There you go, that worked. How many are you at? I think we have significantly different sized marshmallows. There's no way you got to eight. You got to eight? That's incredible. 44? What's he doing? You got to 44 marshmallows. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's very impressive. It's almost like I didn't put 40 of them in your mouth. Congratulations, Stephen, that's really good. 44 marshmallows. That's got to be some kind of world record. I feel like I have cavities forming right now. Yeah, so much sugar. I drooled all over my hand. Okay, so we have one beard goal left. I think we really need... I think the people really need to get in here. Just really close. The last of it, yeah. It's going to be the last thing this camera sees before it dies. See? There, oh yeah. I don't know if people know this about me, but I was a facial hair model before I was a podcaster. At $465,000, this goes away. I just have a mustache. And then we're going to vote with our dollars to see if I keep it the rest of the month or not. Mm-hmm. And once we hit $465,000, I will announce how I'm bringing this to the next level next year. So we have that to look forward to. I know nothing about this. Well, you were too busy eating marshmallows. You ate 44 of them. It's true. It's not true. I would say one more wheel spin, and then I have a guest to speak to. Great, let's do one more. Okay. Oh man, I lost one of my baubles during chubby. My mouth is so dry. Yeah, I hate that. Mm-hmm. Okay, I'm going to give it a big one. Are you ready? Yeah. Ready for the monster. Come on. Come on. Number seven. So we are going to the board of peril. Board of peril time. Time for some boring clothes. That's right. Oh, this shirt is the worst. Oh, very middle. Four. Number four. Another day of phone case use. Okay, so that's three days, I believe. Yep, I think that's three days. Let's remind people of these phone cases. Can I have my phone, please? It's an American flag. We have an eagle, and the eagle is creating some kind of sparks on the flag. Mine is some sort of pop socket hand puppet. Yep. And it's pink and fluffy. And it's got some gemstones around the camera bump. Which is really nice. Mine is currently in use. Oh, well, I'm starting tomorrow. I want a full day. I'm not going to cheat like you are using it for three hours. I'm not cheating. I'm going to do it for three more days. What's also nice about this is the things you can clean with it. So I can get this here. Look at that beautiful eagle. You know? Good. Really just capturing my favorite flag, you know? Like USA and stuff like that. Yeah, it's good. That's good. So good. Did Casey have this? Was this Casey's? Was this Casey's phone case? Yeah, it's his personal phone case. Personal phone case. All right, well, I have a guest that I'm going to speak to. Wonderful. And we will check back with you in just a couple of minutes, Mike. All right, I'm going to be joined by David Sparks, my co-host on Mac Power Users and the host also of Focused and Automators on RelayFM. Mr. Max Sparky himself. David Sparks. Hello, sir. Hey, Stephen. I love the jacket, man. I think that should be your new look, honestly. Really? Yeah. I think you should podcast in that jacket at all times. It's kind of loud. Like, can you hear this? Yeah. You don't want that in your audio. Well, we do. We do. We want that in. Well, David, last night we recorded an episode of NPU about the Apple event. But I kind of wanted to get your thoughts on it, particularly as someone who is a Californian, and not only in location but also in spirit. In heart and spirit. You know, I didn't think about it much as a kid, but Casey List did write a thing on Twitter that Texans and Californians are alike and that we're super proud of our states. And I honestly have to agree with him. As I've got older, I just love California. I love living here. And, you know, the weather is amazing. You know, this morning I went to Disneyland. Tomorrow, if I want, I could be surfing. It's just a really great place to live. Hang on. Do you surf? Yeah. Poorly. I did not know this. Boogie boarding is more my thing, really, because I've got old. But, yeah, it's hard to stand up when you get older. In general or just specifically? No, on the board. On the board, yeah. My thing is getting one of those big inflatables. It was like a swan and climbing in there. Sure. That's my thing. Yeah, the California surf would have fun with you if you did that. Yeah, we call it swanning. That's where the name comes from. Not bad. You know, I don't know. I can see why Apple did the thing in California. Because if you live here, you do kind of become, you do identify with it and become proud of it. Sure. And, you know, I think, you know, I guess some of us Californians are leaving. And all the people in Seattle are mad of the Californians going to Seattle. And some of the, you know, states where it's less expensive, I get it. But, you know, for those of us that decide to stick around with the high cost of living and the earthquakes and the occasional wildfires, we still dig it, baby. So let's talk a little bit about the event. We got a couple new iPads. We got a new Apple Watch, the iPhone 13 lineup, which went for preorder this morning. So I did that before coming down to the studio. What's sort of your takeaway? Which color did you get? Did you already tell? I went with Sierra Blue. My wife talked me into being. Ah, man, you're a crazy man. You're a crazy man. She talked me into it. She said, look, Stephen, you got this jacket that you wear all the time. And, you know, you're a new person. It's going to go good with that jacket. It is going to. I'm never going to wear this jacket again after today. It's going to hang in the back of my closet for the rest of my life. So what do you think about this event? What's your kind of takeaway? I, you know, I feel like Apple is continuing to make excellent iPhones. I mean, you know, the I was reading some of the folks saying, well, you know, they didn't, you know, revolutionize enough this year. But the iPhone is a great product and it got better this year. I mean, because California Disneyland, my wife and I go there at least once a week. And I'm really excited about this new cinematic video feature. I think it's going to be something we use a lot. And, you know, I was surprised that we got iPads. I guess my biggest disappointment is I am so eager to see that new MacBook Pro. And, you know, part of me was hoping maybe we'd get that, but we didn't. But that's OK. I think Apple is doing remarkable work given what's going on in the world right now. Yeah, I was thinking about that after the event. You know, we don't really have a good insight into how long these things take. But you have to imagine that at some point the pandemic is affecting the products they're putting out, whether it be today or maybe, you know, it could even be a year from now or two years from now, maybe a delayed effect. It does seem like Apple is weathering the current chip shortage situation better than other companies. But even that may, you know, catch up with them at some point. It's just a very interesting time to follow this industry. It's so interesting. Apple as a company is so interesting to me because my parents grew up in the Depression and it changed the way they thought about money and life. And you saw it throughout their life. And I feel like Apple going through, you know, that period in the 90s where they were almost on the chopping block every other week, I feel like it put like this. There's a mentality at Apple, and that's the reason why they have so much money and the reason why they buy. You know, they're so obsessed with controlling the whole widget themselves. And even the fact that they went and like bought up all the world chips, you know, and as a result are weathering the storm better than a lot of other folks. I mean, that's not something new. I remember back in the days of the iPod, how you would read that Apple bought all of the solid state storage in the world at one point. I remember that. So, you know, that's just the kind of the way they think and that's been good for them and they've been able to leverage that so far. So, yeah. Yeah, I remember that story, you know, is when they moved to the, you know, the iPod Nano and those things. And they, I think they even had like a press release or something like, yes, we have bought, you know, this amount of NAND flash. And people in the industry were like, that's all of it. Like there is no more NAND flash. And, you know, I do think you're right. Apple has that sort of baked into them. And in some ways, that's a good thing. But I think the longer we get from that period of 1995, 96, I think there is also a lot of negative side effects to it as well. And I don't know. I think it also defines some of their squirrely behavior too, you know, like the way I like, I don't agree with some of the stuff they're doing with developers. And, you know, some of the stuff going on, I feel like that a lot of that kind of stems back to this, you know, Depression era concern of we have to protect the company at all costs. And I do think that does have an impact, you know, on the company culture and how decisions are made. Yeah, I think you're right. You know, the App Store has been so interesting to follow. The last couple of weeks, really, we've had this we had this settlement in the US and then they were working with a trade commission in Japan and then the court case with Epic. And none of this is easy or simple. None of it's going to be sorted out in the next 90 days. It's going to take a long time to untangle it. But if you this is a question you ask our guests on NPU. So I'm going to put you in the hot seat. If you had, you know, if you were in charge, you had Tim Cooks here, he's going to do what you say, particularly about the App Store. What you know, what would your position be? What would you do differently? Or would you do anything differently? I would look at the big picture, which I don't think they're doing. And I think that regulation, in my experience, regulators don't really want to be regulating. They don't want to be mixed up and all that. They can avoid it. And I think the way you avoid it is a question. I use this when I talk to my legal clients. It's the F word. Fairness. Look for a way to be fair with the people you work with. And I just think there is a fairness imbalance right now with a lot of the developers in particular. And I think they just need to take a step back and say, what can we do that's fair? And they do it all the time. I mean, you look at like when we had the Antenna Gate. I mean, they gave everybody a case. They're like, let's be fair. Give them a case, you know, or I mean, if you look in Apple's history, they've done it many times where they got out on the ledge and then they realized it and they walked back. And sure. I don't know why they haven't done it yet. I hope they do. But if I was in that office, first of all, I would get fired in like 30 minutes because the other stuff I'd be telling them to do isn't probably in the company's best interest. But I think, you know, let's stop and look at these relationships from a tone of fairness. I mean, they clearly rely on these developers. And let's find a way to make everybody rich, you know, because that is possible with this model. Oh, yeah. I mean, there's so much money that flows through the App Store economy. It's astounding. I mean, especially for something that hasn't been around really all that long, the App Store launched in the summer of 08. That's not that many years, really. And oh, but at the same time, as it's grown and changed, Apple has been unwilling or unable to change its policies around a lot of these things. You know, so much of the App Store model came from iTunes, you know, and that's sort of the old world thinking. And I don't think a lot of that really fits anymore. Yeah. And I also really think that it's just when push comes to shove, they're doing this out of a sense of momentum more than fairness. And right now, it is still within Apple's control. I mean, you know, right now, Apple can be the one that makes the policy choices and say, this is what we're doing. But if the government start getting more involved and if they start dropping down regulations that say you are legally not allowed to do this anymore, it is no longer Apple's decision. This has been, you know, they've given up control of their business model at that point. And that's terrible, you know, and it's probably going to be way worse what happens to them if they let that happen. But so I hope that they they are taking that seriously. And but, you know, honestly, what I really want them to do is not be worried about regulation or getting their business model pulled out for anything, but just like, hey, you know what? Let's just be fair to people. That's what Apple that's what I've always known the company for. And that's in my heart what I want them to be thinking. And I hope they are. Yeah. Spoken like a true Californian, my friend. Amen, brother. Well, David, thank you for joining us in the podcast with Don. People can hear you all over the place on Relay FM. What do you have? What do you have coming up? Monday, I'm releasing the new Devon Tankfield guide. I've been working on it for four months. So check that out. Go to learn. I'm expert. But more importantly, if some money to St. I can't believe you guys are crushing it with these numbers. But the people I would like to talk to real quick before I leave are just the people who haven't been able because of the pandemic or whatever. You can't give a big contribution. You guys have been calling out all day. These people giving these super generous contributions. But there are people out there that just can't afford it. But if all of those people gave five dollars, we would hit that goal, that next goal easily. And so I'm hoping that folks out there that can't even give a lot, just give a little. It really does feel great. And it feels a lot better than buying a Starbucks. So, you know, sign up, give a few bucks. Absolutely. Well, David, thank you. Enjoy your weekend. And I will speak to you soon, my friend. Hang loose, bro. All right. We are at four hundred and sixty five thousand four hundred dollars for the kids of St. Jude. That money goes to fund research and treatment and pay for travel and food for these families who are dealing with a cancer diagnosis with their children. And that is a really scary trying thing. I know it certainly was for my family. And this support means that those families can focus on what's important and not worry about receiving a bill from the hospital that's treating their child. So please, I echo what David said. Please give St. Jude dot org slash relay. Four hundred and sixty five thousand dollars was the next stop on the the mustache hype train. So if we can bring Mike back in, I will get rid of the chops and we will go from there. And our last 30 minutes of the podcast, it's on. Hey, buddy. Mike, we can't hear you, but. The balloon, the balloon ate the audio. I was muted. I was muted. Not any longer. Hello, everyone. Mike here, surrounded by balloons. It's looking good, man. So much hanging out with us this whole time, this whole evening, afternoon, whatever it is for you. We greatly appreciate your support and your money, which goes to help the wonderful work of St. Jude. Stephen, I think you need to go and shave your bike and mustache off, right? Yes, I'm going to go do that. And then. All right. We're going to have a party. Sounds good to me. I can stand up again now. So I want to call out some people that have made some donations recently. Thank you, Jim. Thank you, Josh. Thank you to Ben and Chloe. Thank you to Jared and Jacqueline and Aaron, TJ, everyone. No matter as David was saying, no matter how much you were able to give, it doesn't matter. But we seriously, seriously thank you all for everything that you've done today, whether you have donated, even if you've just been watching or if you shared this with some people. Maybe you've been sharing it on Twitter. Maybe you've made some gifts. I'd like to thank Bolero for. Is that like the dance? Incredible. Five hundred dollars. Adam for one hundred and one dollars. Seriously, everyone. Thank you so much. I hope that you have enjoyed the podcast on the third annual podcast on to support St. Jude Children's Research Hospital. This has obviously been the biggest, the longest. That we have done so far, you'll see now in the corner here, save or shave. So as you donate every dollar that you donate counts as one vote and you have to choose this when you're going to donate. And that will basically mean whether Steven has to shave or save his mustache. So I think we'll run that poll probably for the next day or so. Maybe, maybe we'll cut it off today. We'll see how Steven feels when he comes back. But this will make the deciding factor as to whether Steven will live out his September dream as he has every single year of a incredible, just luscious mustache. I think everyone in his family hates it, but he loves it. So give Steven that ability to have an excuse to have the mustache that he truly wants. We have just passed four hundred and sixty seven thousand dollars raised for the kids of St. Jude. It is a truly astounding number that we've been able to reach here together today. I think that's nearly I think it's nearly one hundred thousand dollars raised, which is just incredible. In just one day for the kids of St. Jude, adding to our overall total is astounding. And so we you know, we really want to try and meet that half a million now by the end of September. And I know that as a gang, as a group, we can do it here over at Relay FM. But we still have more wheels to spin because as those donations keep coming in, it keeps adding on to our wheel of adventure and board of peril spins and drops. So we'll have more of those coming up really shortly. We are I've just been told that we're six thousand dollars away from having raised one hundred thousand dollars over the last eight hours. And so we'll see if we're able to reach that together today. But as we said before, we're going to be having more streams and events running throughout September. One stream that we're going to be doing, which it was unlocked when we hit our previous goal, is Stephen is going to be teaching me how to break open, repair and replace the guts of a classic iPod. I have a video iPod. Am I going to put a new battery and an SSD in it? I know I think it's an SD card in it, but that's going to be something I've got going on. Steve, thank you so much for the five hundred dollar donation there. That's one thing we're doing. We are hoping that before the end of September as well, Stephen will be taking delivery of a keychron keyboard and I'm going to be returning the favor and helping him build that. And then I'm going to build one on the same stream that will be sent to Jason Snell. So lots of relay family keyboard activities there as well. And I know that Stephen's working on some other streams that he's going to be doing as well with some of the relay FM hosts as we round out the month. Because we really want to make sure that we are continuing to thank you with additional content as we're asking you to continue to donate throughout the rest of the month. So we really, really appreciate that. You know, this has been we've now hit four hundred and sixty eight thousand dollars. That makes us 94 percent. Towards our goal now of half a million dollars. Thank you so much to everyone who continues to donate. It really means so much. Now, one of the passionate ones there is one hundred and one dollars. I like the one dollar thing in honor of our friend Casey Liss. But yeah, thank you again. I just don't have enough thank yous to give as I'm just watching this donation count. It does tick up now again. It really does mean the absolute world to us that you will come along on this incredible journey with us every single year and giving your money towards such an incredible and worthy cause. You know, we we want to support and we choose to support St. Jude because it means so much to us and does so much good. And we're able to give a little bit back. And we hope that you join us in doing that as well. I believe that Mr. Mustache has returned to his desk. I will going to descend now and allow Stephen to have his moment. Thank you. Beautiful. Look at it. Wow. Joe, Joe, it's donated five hundred dollars. Oh, Joe, that's time. Joe, my favorite app, time. I don't hear Stephen at the moment. Is Stephen turned his microphone off again? I don't know why you would say that. Yeah, you're a professional, right? You know what? The judgment from your. You're right now. Say it is currently in the lead, which is good because the mustache should always stay. I think it should be a permanent save, but that's the seems to not be how it works. I think Stephen looks great with a mustache. Thank you. You ready for this? I'm ready for this. And then. OK, here we go. We've got some wheels to pay out. Here we go. Round and round. That is number one. Oh, hang on. Ten. What is ten? Is that PC Junior? Yeah. What a surprise that it landed on ten. I know it's like it was meant to be. Really incredible how it lands on ten like that. So often. Here's what I've been using all night. Baseball bat. It's got some good nicks in it. It's got a crack in it, I think, from when Rick hit it earlier. There's a gif, I think, I think that was posted to the Relay FM Tutor account, which I recommend everybody just like, you know, use this forever because that is very good. But even we've hit four hundred and sixty nine thousand. Oh, that's really cool. Thank you all so much. Four hundred sixty nine thousand at four hundred and seventy five thousand. That's very menacing. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to. Four hundred seventy five thousand. The second. Game, what is it called, Baud? Baud? Baud? Baud? Baud? Baud or Dash will be published. But, you know, this is a YouTube channel. This is wimpy. Yeah. I definitely need safety goggles for this, though, because I have a second option. Hmm. Oh, my God, here it is. Thank you. Eleven hundred dollars from Anonymous. Thank you, Anonymous. Oh, God, I don't like this. I think I'm going to need safety. I think Mike's going to be it's an eight pound sledgehammer. They're running around hiding, hiding, you know, equipment behind panels. I don't like this. Oh, it'll be fine. OK, I would just like to stay for the record. Steven always wanted to use the sledgehammer constantly from the beginning, and I was really against it. So he appeased me with a baseball bat. He didn't tell me he was also bringing the. Oh, this is very good. One hundred dollars from His Majesty Jinglebeard, the consolidated chairman. All right. Oh, God, here we go. They are trying to get closer so I can see this. Oh, this is so scary. Here he goes. Walkman, look at him with his mustache and his sledgehammer. Oh, boy. Oh, God. Oh, therefore proving why you had to have the baseball bat before the sledgehammer, because the sledgehammer ends PC Junior completely in one shot. Oh, he's going in for another one, I think. Yeah, he's going in for another one. Please be careful. Oh, oh, wait. Oh, he's he's racking it up. Oh, here we go with the keyboard on top. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. I feel like a worried parent or something. Joe, the computer is broken. This is Joe PC repair. Joe PC repair. Here we go. Oh, my God. I think I saw a piece fly towards the camera. Are we done now? I think that's it for PC Junior. This is a series wrap for PC Junior. Oh, poor PC Junior. We're at four hundred and seventy thousand dollars. I have a chair in here somewhere. We have about 20 minutes. We have about 20 minutes left until we're supposed to wrap this up. We would love. See how he said that again, supposed to wrap this up. We would love to be close. Five hundred thousand. We love to be at five hundred thousand. If you have not given St. Jude dot org slash relay, it's the time. Do it. I'm sitting down. I'm trying to sit down. Here we go. OK, I'm going to spin the wheel again. OK, go for it, buddy. It won't land on 10 again because. Well, I mean, there's literally nothing left. So if it lands on 10, it's an automatic respin. Oh, there we go. Eleven. Oh, what's eleven? Board of peril. OK, so you can see on your screen each one of these numbers represent something that we don't want to do. And so we have to do it when the chip tells us to. Really, the chip has all the control in this situation. All the power. Unless the chip is forced into position. That has never happened. Yeah. Oh, five. What is five? Onesie. Oh, man. OK, well, I'll get the onesies out. I think we should finish the show in the onesies. Oh, the onesie for me. Oh, the onesie for Steven? Excellent. That's brilliant. Because you've only won yours once. Come on. Pika Pika. This is a dumb game. Pika Pika. $470,959. As we get Steven Hakachu up there. Thank all of these balloons. They're also your donations. This is the highest the balloon room has ever been. Incredible. I would like to thank everyone for helping me once again live out a dream of mine to be surrounded by balloons. I don't know why I like this so much, but I do. So I appreciate it. If you can still even see me here. Look at Steven. Look at that. Look at how graceful he is putting on his... He's got it backwards in the moment. This is how little he knows about Pikachu. It's backwards. Oh, it is. Yeah, I know it's backwards. You don't have to tell me. I think Pikachu should put on the jacket and use that to get going. Look at him go. Oh, he's laying it out. That makes it look like, you know those rugs? Like bear rugs? But just like a Pikachu one. I don't like that at all. That's very upsetting. I don't know why he's sitting down to put it on. Steven, I don't think you understand how to put a onesie on. I don't think this is going to help you at all, really, to just lay in it. But hey, whatever it takes for a man to very begrudgingly put on a Pikachu onesie. As we pass $471,000. RIP, PCjr. Oh, Steven, come on. You can do it, buddy. You can do it. He's having a moment. This is Steven having a little bit of a... I don't know what you would call it in America. We call it like a strop here. You know, like he's a tantrum. There you go. He's having a tantrum. Which I imagine there's probably been quite a lot of tantrums in Pikachu onesies throughout history. Feels like those things might go together pretty well. Tends to not be adults, though, I would expect. Come on, bud. This is taking you such a long time now. I just needed to hurry up. I don't have any buttons. Yeah, I know, but if you weren't laying down for so long, we wouldn't have this problem. So, going to need you to speed this one up just a little bit. Why don't you spin the wheel and then continue buttoning? Well, I don't know. It's probably full of the hair from your face that's been cut off, you know? Oh, my Apple Watch is going into power reserve mode. That's not a surprise, really, considering the time. Let's do this thing. Alright. Do you think you can put the jacket on over that? No. Okay. Okay, round and around it goes. It's coming around, coming around. Number 13. On to the board of peril. Will 13 be the unlucky number for us? Eight. Eight. What is that? Another TikTok challenge. That's four that a youth has to tell us how to do. Well, look forward to that coming your way. Alright, I think you need to eat a bamboozle bean. I think maybe I need to do the Lego walk or hula hoop or something. Hula hoop and I'll eat a bamboozle bean. And then I want to sit down and have a chat with the people. Alright, that sounds great. I'm going to eat a bamboozle bean. Okay. And do you know you want to spin it for me and then just pass me the one? I'm going to hula hoop with the Pikachu outfit. Look at you. Look how beautiful you are on the camera there. Anybody know the science? Where did it go? Birthday cake or dirty dishwater is what we're at now. Thank you. Okay, here it goes. Oh. Oh, it tastes like bad soap. Right? I guess that's the dirty dishwater part. Oh, it's rough. Oh. I'll give Stephen, I'm being told to just give Stephen a compliment. All of this stuff, I show up and do what I got to do. But it only happens because Stephen makes it happen. Are you listening to me right now? Can you hear me? Yeah, okay. I can hear you. Stephen's organizational skills are bar none. So, when he decides he wants something to happen, he makes it happen. Because that's just what he does. And it's one of the reasons that we work so well together. Because I don't really have organizational skills and he has all of them. And he completes me. Stephen, you complete me. There you go. Look at him. Look at that. Look at that Pikachu running away. I have a hula hoop around him. What are we doing? What is this? I hope that you've enjoyed it, everybody. Oh, oh, oh. He's doing it. You did it. See, you did get better at it. Oh, that's so good, bud. The power of the Pikachu. Exactly. It was electrifying. Wow. Oh, dear. Well, you have one moment of glory before you destroy everything. I'll just break a microphone. Okay. God, it's so hot in this thing. We're at $471,931. It is 6.50 Central Time, so we've got 10 minutes left. And I realized a moment ago when I was easy, like pulling a cable and there's stuff like ooching across the floor. I realized earlier that I haven't really told my story. I kind of talked around it a little bit today, but I'd like to maybe end with that and why we do this. And we talked about some of this with Rick when he was here earlier. But we have been, my wife and I have been part of the St. Jude community for going on 12 years now. And when we were much younger, first married, we had our first son. And when he was six months old, he was diagnosed with a brain tumor. We had a pediatrician check up. And this is how it often goes. It often starts with a concern or a pediatrician or a nurse noticing. And that was the case for us. Our pediatrician had some concerns. And within a couple of days, we were at the local children's hospital that really facing down some pretty scary conversations. Conversations like, you know, we don't know what this is. It's really big on the MRI. We don't know what we're facing, but he needs surgery. And that was Mother's Day weekend. It was my wife's first Mother's Day. And that sucked. There's no way around it. I had surgery on a Monday. And a few days later, you know, word came back officially that it was cancer. And we were told that we would be treated at St. Jude. Now, I'm from Memphis, born and raised. I live, you know, 15 minutes from the house I grew up in. And so St. Jude has always been in my backyard. It's always been in sort of the background for me my whole life. But until you need it, you don't, you can't really understand what it's like. And that's something that we're actively trying to change through campaigns like this. I know so many great people at St. Jude and Allsack are working really hard to change that, to show what it means to be at St. Jude. Through media, through events like this, through events that are much better than this. But it is, it's just a special place. You know, Rick and I talked about that earlier in our interview. We didn't know what it was going to entail, though. And like Mike very graciously said, I'm an organizer, I'm a planner. I want to know what's coming. And this was the ultimate you can't see it coming situation. You can't see something like this coming down the pike. You know, sometimes in life you can see something coming. You can see the train light, the distance, you can hear its horn. This was getting hit by a train out of nowhere, out of the clear blue sky. And we didn't know what it was going to mean to transition from the Children's Hospital to St. Jude. And we tried calling and getting in touch with people. We got a call back from someone here, and they said, we already know all about your son, we know all about his case and your family, and we're ready for you. And when everyone's ready, you'll come over and we'll get started. And what that meant was when we showed up on day one, and I guess it would have been late May 2009, it meant that we were not only stepping into a hospital, we were stepping into a new life. And without this journey, I would not be who I am today. I would not be the man I am, the father I am, without the blessing that I've been shown here. Because when we came to St. Jude, all of that was true that was left on our voicemail. They knew all about him. They had all of his information. But they also knew what they were going to do. They had a plan. Our son had 18 rounds of chemotherapy. You can see some pictures of him on screen now. And when you've got a seven-month-old and they're saying, yeah, you're going to do a year and a half of chemotherapy, it's scary. And they walked with us through this. Our medical team, some of which are still here and some aren't, they really partnered with us in his care. We've all, I'm sure, had experiences with doctors that are less than stellar. I've never had that case here. Our medical team was unbelievably kind and gracious to our entire family. Not just our son. They weren't just concerned about his chemotherapy and his tumor. They were concerned about him as a whole person and our family as a whole family. And it's not the case everywhere, y'all. It's just not. It should be, but it's not. And I could tell you a hundred stories of different ways that that manifested. But I'll share one. I'm not sure I've ever shared this before. And hopefully it's okay with my spouse that I am. But when our second child came along, Josiah was still in treatment. And we told our oncologist that we were having a little girl, Josiah's little sister. And what he, he congratulated us. But then he says something to me that I didn't know I needed to hear. But he knew that it needed to be said. And he said, you don't have to worry about this with your daughter. I wasn't even fully conscious of the fact that I was concerned that lightning would strike my family twice. But I was. And as soon as he said it, it was the relief that I didn't know I needed. And from that point on, we really had sort of a renewed relationship with our doctor and our team. And it means everything to us. Today, our son is getting ready to be 13. Here in just a few weeks. He's at a fantastic school. He has friends. He loves music. He loves dancing. He loves pizza. He's a 12-year-old that you want to hang out with. And that was never promised to us. You know, in those really scary conversations in the early days, and I've written some about this on 512, you can go find it. Really scary things were laid out. Things that I can't even really repeat because it was. No family should ever hear it about the dangers that were in front of us with this diagnosis. And he's here and it's because of St. Jude. And that's why we do this. That's why I'm dressing this ridiculous Pikachu suit and why Mike is standing in a room of bouncy balls. OK, I smashed the PCG nurse because I wanted to. That's not for kids. That was for me. But we we do this. Not just for my son. But for the thousands of kids that come through those doors. The hospital's right across. For all those families and all those kids that come through the door. That's who we do it. I've gotten to know a lot of them over the years because we're a local Memphis family and most St. Jude families aren't. We've gotten to meet just tons of families. Got to know a lot of kids with with brain tumors and with chemo and bone cancer and all these things. The St. Jude treats. And they're two, the final one. Amazing people. Kids that go through this are special. Families that go through this are special. And it's an honor to serve them by doing our ridiculous stuff like we did for eight hours. You know, we're not doing this because. I'm not doing this because I have a debt to pay. I'm not doing this because I feel guilty. I do this because it's the right thing to do. It's the right thing to support work like. And I can't do anything. It's the decision that we have to make to do this together. So that's why we do this. That's why we talk about St. Jude every September. That's why we do these ridiculous things. And that's why we ask you to give. That's why Mike and I give. And that's why our friends give. Because this is a place unlike any other. I've had the opportunity. Mike's had the opportunity to travel a lot through the through this job. And I'm telling you, there's no place that has something like St. Jude. It just doesn't exist. It's one of a kind. And it's only possible because all of us. And so that's what we're asking you to do. That's why we do this. And yeah, I'll get off my soapbox now. But thank you all for supporting this campaign. We've talked about this before. It takes months of planning. I'm sure that somewhere in the back of our producers mind, she's already wondering when our first meeting for next year will be. I need a little time off from this. So, you know, give me a few weeks and we get back into it. But it's just it's just the right thing to do. So that's why we do it. And maybe we can bring Mike back in and we can wrap this up. But I wanted to share that because I kind of realized. Throughout the day today, between the fun events and everything we've been doing that I hadn't had the serious talk yet. So I thought we could end on a real upper. Maybe we'll spin the wheel one more time. And so anyways, that's where we are. And Mike, hello. How are you? Let me just add. Are you going to tell a joke? Because that's really not the mood at the moment. No, there's no jokes. OK, that's good. There's no jokes here. I am jingling a lot, but ignore that. It's serious. One, thank you for sharing all of that, because it's important. When we do an event like this, you may hear us talking about and saying the kinds of things that lots of people say for charity fundraisers. Right. We talk and we ask you to give and we tell you why the place that you're donating to is special and it's great. We choose this charity for a we chose this charity for one reason, and it's because of the personal connection that you have and I have through you and your family to St. Jude. Like there are many incredible charities in the world. We choose this one because we are personally attached to it. And we have all seen firsthand. Not just the work that they do. For and have done for Josiah, but for your entire family and the life that they have been able to have you all experience together. That's why it was just so easy for us years ago to start every month, every September, every year saying, hey, you know, like at first, I think it was like you were doing the marathon. Right. And we were just like, hey, give that. Let me explain. Let's explain to you why you should give money to St. Jude. And we talk about it. And now we're here and we do all this stuff and we try and make this entertaining and we really want people to come by and have a good time. And I also see it now. It's like. This is like a thank you that me and Steven get to put on for the money that we receive. But ultimately, we do this all the whole thing. Because of Josiah. I freaking love that kid, you know, and I miss him so much because I've been around in his life for like half of it, I think. And, you know, he's just the happiest kid. And, you know, it warms my heart and breaks my heart at the same time. Because everything he has, he has been through more in his life than I have in mine. And he is just happy. And I know that so much of that comes from the fact that he had the best care. And, you know, and so that's why we will continue raising money for this incredible institution for as long as we possibly can. And as we have hit $475,000 and over $100,000 raised today, we can only thank you. Yeah, that's right. I think that we're going to let you all go. Before we do, I want to thank the crew at Allsack who has been with us all day. And all day yesterday and part of the day before putting the finishing touches of this. So for all of y'all, from the bottom of Mike and I's heart, thank you for your support of what we're doing. I deeply apologize for the property damage. We'll deal with that after we hang up. But we are going to still do this throughout the rest of the month. We've hit $475,000. So we have our next events queued up. Keep an eye on the Twitter account and the Discord everywhere. We've got some more stuff coming. And we are going to continue to raise money through the end of the month to hit that half million dollars. So we're going to go ahead and get started. So we're going to start with Jason Lynch for $500. Thank you, Jason. We all have these. What I'm a little afraid of, there's just one of me. And there's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven other people in the room. And I don't want to say they're aimed at me, but they're not not aimed at me. Don't shoot them at your pro display. That's what I learned the other day. The Relay FM family has done. It's not me and Mike. It's the whole network. It's the whole listenership. Thank you all. And we'll see you soon. Ready? All right. Three, two, one, go. Thank you, everyone. We'll see you next time. Oh! All right. Bye. Bye. Thank you. Thank you. He's enjoying it. He's enjoying it. Thank you everyone. We did it. We got to 479. Yeah. Well, are we still streaming? We should probably cut it. you